>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 7 20:42:08 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34078>; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 20:22:29 -0400 Received: from orange.metron.com ([204.182.31.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33973>; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 20:22:10 -0400 Received: (from lou@localhost) by orange.metron.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id RAA01183 for plan9-fans@cs.psu.edu; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 17:21:49 -0700 From: Lou Katz Message-Id: <199507080021.RAA01183@orange.metron.com> Subject: subscribe To: plan9-fans@cs.psu.edu Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 20:21:49 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 66 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans subscribe -- -=[Lou Katz]=- +[1] (510) 530 8870 >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 14 00:42:50 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34050>; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 00:24:39 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34047>; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 00:23:53 -0400 Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12778>; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 00:23:27 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans Subject: comp.os.plan9 call for votes Message-Id: <95Jul14.002327edt.12778@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 00:23:17 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I see that the CFV for comp.os.plan9 has been posted to news.groups, and didn't see a reminder posted here, so this is it. | From: handler@sub-rosa.com (Michael Handler) | Subject: CFV: comp.os.plan9 moderated | Date: 12 Jul 1995 23:24:45 -0000 | | FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) | moderated group comp.os.plan9 | | Newsgroups line: | comp.os.plan9 Plan 9 from Bell Labs. | | Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 Aug 1995. | | This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting | questions only contact Michael Handler . For | questions about the proposed group contact Jim Davis | . | | RATIONALE | | Plan 9 is a computing system developed at the Computing Science | Research Center of AT&T Bell Laboratories. First released in 1990, | Plan 9 contains many innovative ideas but is robust enough for | production use. There is an active Plan 9 mailing list with several | hundred readers. | | Past releases of Plan 9 could only be licensed by universities. The | next release will be available to anyone, and run on a wide range of | PCs. This will make running Plan 9 an option for many Usenet readers. | | A Plan 9 newsgroup would let Plan 9 users help each other, and let | anyone interested in current operating system practice learn about | Plan 9. | | CHARTER | | comp.os.plan9 is a moderated newsgroup for discussion of the Plan 9 | operating system from Bell Labs. It's a forum to ask questions and | share information about installing, administering, and using Plan 9 | systems. The newsgroup will be bidirectionally gatewayed with the | Plan 9 mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> | | MODERATORS & MODERATION POLICY | | Icarus Sparry has volunteered to be moderator; Tim | Goodwin has volunteered to be backup moderator. Both | are participants on the Plan 9 mailing list. Moderation is intended | to keep discussion on charter topics, which we hope will encourage the | Plan 9 developers to participate. | | MAILING LISTS AND GATEWAYS | | comp.os.plan9 will be bidirectionally gatewayed with the mailing list | <9fans@cse.psu.edu>. | | DISTRIBUTION | | This Call For Votes (CFV) has been crossposted to the following newsgroups: | | news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.os.research, comp.os.misc | | After this Call For Votes (CFV) appears in , it | will be sent to the following mailing lists: | | * Plan 9 mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> | | HOW TO VOTE | | One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Attempts at | ballot box stuffing or vote fraud will not be treated lightly. | | ************************************************************************** | *** IMPORTANT: Email addresses, names, and votes of all voters will be *** | *** published in the final voting results list. UVV voting is not done *** | *** by secret ballot. If you don't like this policy, don't vote. *** | ************************************************************************** | | Send email to: | Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. | | Your mail message should contain ONE (and only ONE) of the following | statements: | | I vote YES on comp.os.plan9 | I vote NO on comp.os.plan9 | I vote ABSTAIN on comp.os.plan9 | I CANCEL my vote on comp.os.plan9 | | If you vote ABSTAIN, your vote will be registered and will be shown in | the final results posting, but it will not affect the outcome of the vote. | It is intended as a form of symbolic protest, nothing more. | | If you CANCEL your vote, all records of your vote will be purged from the | active results file, and your name and address will not be listed in the | final results posting. | | ABSTAIN and CANCEL are nearly the same thing -- the only difference is, | with ABSTAIN, your name and address are still listed in the final listing. | | If you later change your mind you may vote again. Only your last valid | vote will count and will be published in the final results posting. | | Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The | votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal | acknowledgement by mail -- if you do not receive one within several days, | try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered | correctly. | | After the final results are posted to , there | will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be | corrected and any irregularities addressed. | | OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV | | The only official sources of this CFV are: | * The copy which was crossposted to | * Any copies which were sent to mailing lists by the votetaker (and *only* | the votetaker) | * One received from the votetaker's automated mailserver | | To obtain a copy of the CFV from the votetaker's mailserver, send an | email message to . This is an automated function, | so it does not matter what you say in the message. | | IMPORTANT: If you give anyone copies of the CFV, the copies must be whole | and unmodified. Distributing pre-filled in ballots or modified copies of | this CFV is considered voting fraud. If this occurs on a large scale or | causes voting problems or irregularities, the vote may be canceled. | | When in doubt, ask the votetaker. | -- | Michael Handler Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) | Usenet Volunteer Votetakers WWW page: >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 17 15:32:29 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33977>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 15:04:39 -0400 Received: from halcyon.com ([198.137.231.20]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34063>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 15:04:04 -0400 Received: by halcyon.com id AA11832 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 12:02:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 15:02:55 -0400 From: Frank Gleason Message-Id: <199507171902.AA11832@halcyon.com> To: 9fans Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Subject: release info I got this from distrib.html on plan9.att.com: >The distribution will be available on July 18th. >The contact number for ordering in the U.S., Canada, >and the Caribbean is 800-841-9938, and +1 407-345-3800 >elsewhere. >The cost for the full kit is $350 plus postage, >ISBN number 0-03-017143-1. >The manuals can be ordered by themselves for >$125 plus postage, ISBN number >0-03-017142-3. I called to order the package and the price for an individual is $465, they will sell for $350 if you are a bookstore or other blessed group. Anyone have any ideas on how to get the discount price? Frank Gleason frankg@halcyon.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 17 15:56:41 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34061>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 15:35:17 -0400 Received: from halcyon.com ([198.137.231.20]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34063>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 15:30:12 -0400 Received: by halcyon.com id AA12090 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 12:11:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 15:11:57 -0400 From: Frank Gleason Message-Id: <199507171911.AA12090@halcyon.com> To: 9fans Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Subject: release info, more info Oh, I forgot to add that the books are not back from the printers yet. They say about 3 weeks. Frank Gleason frankg@halcyon.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 17 16:33:24 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34068>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:15:48 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34104>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:08:46 -0400 From: philw@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 15:55:58 -0400 Message-Id: <95Jul17.160846edt.34104@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >I called to order the package and the price for an individual is >$465, they will sell for $350 if you are a bookstore or other blessed >group. Anyone have any ideas on how to get the discount price? This is a mistake. It will be fixed today. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 17 16:55:13 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34066>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:36:01 -0400 Received: from halcyon.com ([198.137.231.20]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34083>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:33:13 -0400 Received: by halcyon.com id AA14744 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 13:26:43 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:26:43 -0400 From: Frank Gleason Message-Id: <199507172026.AA14744@halcyon.com> To: 9fans Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>Anyone have any ideas on how to get the discount price? >place the order through a local bookshop, giving them the AT&T contact number and ISBN? Hmm, I guess I'm todays bone head award candidate. We are going to need the publishers name, and the exact title to order. I'll track it down, if I can find a bookstore that will sell if for a reasonable markup I'll post a contact and phone #. Frank Gleason frankg@halcyon.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 17 17:15:37 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34064>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:53:33 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34099>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:35:27 -0400 From: rob@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:20:57 -0400 Message-Id: <95Jul17.163527edt.34099@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Someone jumped the gun putting the information into the Web page before the printer/distributor had its end in order. By tomorrow things should have settled down. The price will be $350 and availability is whatever they say, but I hope it's less than three weeks since we have copies in hand. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 17 17:57:11 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34063>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 17:45:35 -0400 Received: from halcyon.com ([198.137.231.20]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34067>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 17:22:17 -0400 Received: by halcyon.com id AA15412 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 13:48:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:48:55 -0400 From: Frank Gleason Message-Id: <199507172048.AA15412@halcyon.com> To: 9fans Subject: Plan9 release Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The phone number for ordering plan9 has been pulled off the ftp site. If you saw my post that contained the number you may wish to wait until the new release date of Jul18. Frank >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 17 21:09:53 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34062>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:51:20 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.195]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34060>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:50:28 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:47:31 -0400 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu subject: differences Message-Id: <95Jul17.205028edt.34060@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans as users of the old release begin to move to the new one, it might be helpful to start building a document (all right, web page) that summarises the differences between the old release and the new that require source code changes. incompatibilities that will be detected by recompilation -- such as changed parameters to mount -- aren't too important; i am thinking of things like the change to `errstr', which now reads its parameter before it updates it, requiring an initialisation where previously none was required. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 18 03:28:35 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34067>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 02:52:53 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.195]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33979>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 02:52:28 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 02:42:01 -0400 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu subject: AT&T number Message-Id: <95Jul18.025228edt.33979@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>However, AT&T Software Solutions Group will negotiate >>commercial licenses (telephone 800 462 8146). is there a non-800 variant of that number? has the Group got offices outside the USA? there once was a way of dialing 1-800 numbers from here, but it might not have been intended for general use; at any rate, it was switched off last year. i suppose this might be an incentive to sign up for an AT&T Calling Card, USA Direct, or equivalent. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 18 12:25:10 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34074>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 11:42:09 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33985>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 11:41:21 -0400 Received: from uucp5.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyyxy16307; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 11:41:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 11:41:12 -0400 From: tbcc!bwc@uunet.uu.net Message-Id: Received: from tbcc.UUCP by uucp5.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 11:41:13 -0400 To: <9fans> Subject: Called publisher and said it wasn't available yet. Apparently-To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Said it would be the end of July or beginning of august. Today it the 18th. Should I try later today? Not that I'm in a hurry or anything. :-) Brantley >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 18 15:03:45 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34070>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:37:19 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34080>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:36:48 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <4535>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:35:30 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: 9fans Subject: Re: Called publisher and said it wasn't available yet. Cc: tbcc!bwc@uunet.uu.net Message-Id: <95Jul18.143530edt.4535@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:35:28 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Said it would be the end of July or beginning of august. They took my order this morning no problem. They said it might not be ready to ship out for a couple weeks, though. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 18 15:52:14 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34075>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:29:54 -0400 Received: from nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov ([128.183.101.19]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34077>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:29:00 -0400 Received: by nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov; id AA30577; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:14:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9507181914.AA30577@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov> To: 9fans Subject: floppies for ftp? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 18 Jul 95 14:35:28 EDT." <95Jul18.143530edt.4535@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:14:30 -0400 From: "James W. Williams" X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Any word on when the floppy disk images for the binary-only version will be put up for ftp? I presume they'll be somewhere under ftp://plan9.att.com/plan9. Thanks, Jim >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 18 16:16:35 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34095>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:54:21 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.195]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34096>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:51:59 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:26:53 -0400 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu subject: international orders Message-Id: <95Jul18.155159edt.34096@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans thanks for giving the non-800 number for AT&T Software Solutions. as regards ordering the distribution kit, and just the manuals, was the AT&T hope, understanding, or possibly even the intention that the international number (1-407-345-3800) be usable by people outside the US to place orders? the person who answered my call in the US was very pleasant, knew what plan 9 was, had the information to hand, but could not take an order; she could only refer me to the UK-based relative of HB & Co. (i think it is something like Harcourt Brace Jobanovich). i expressed some concern about this, since i'd been through all this once before with the 10th Edition manuals, and it was a nightmare. anyhow, i agreed to ring HBJ in London. the sales desk knew nothing about it. neither ISBN was on their files. on discovering that it was just coming available in the US i was connected to someone in the marketing department, who also could find nothing about it. i gave her the 1-407 number, and she was going to speak to her marketing manager and to people in the US. she explained that what usually happened after publication in the US, before availability in the UK, was: 1. a delay whilst the people here work out `sterling pricing' for the item. 2. about an eight week delay for shipment by sea (that can be eliminated by insisting on DHL shipment, at higher cost, reasonably enough). i expressed some concern about this, since i'd been through all this once before with the 10th Edition manuals, and it was a nightmare. it was probably the worst case i can remember of my being more willing to buy something that the vendor was to sell it. it wasn't just me, or the UK for that matter: i got someone in Canada to try to get the v10 manuals for me, and he got thoroughly exasperated too. still, that was five years ago, and i'd have expected them to have got international database access maybe even e-mail, etc. by now, and perhaps a little forward planning? do the various parts of HB really not talk to each other? equally worrying is this talk of `sterling pricing', because i know what that usually means ... normal books that might sell for (say) $35.00 end up being priced at not quite that amount in sterling. really, i just want to do what i do with computer components and other things: ring a US number, give my Amex details, and pay a decent price plus Fedex/DHL shipping, and duty+VAT on the CDROM (the manuals aren't taxable). are there any US bookshops that do mail orders and will stock this stuff? how are other international enquiries faring? according to the woman on 1-407-... she has had enquiries from Germany which were also referred back to the local HB company. are things working more smoothly there? should i take this opportunity to try the Channel Tunnel? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 18 16:57:45 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34071>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:30:36 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34076>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:30:15 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:18:35 -0400 Subject: free plan 9 trial Message-Id: <95Jul18.163015edt.34076@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans The free version is available. Ftp to plan9.att.com, log in as anonymous, and get the files from /plan9/pcdist. The distrib.html page now points to them. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 18 18:18:41 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34079>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:52:44 -0400 Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de ([131.188.2.45]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34076>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:52:08 -0400 Received: from faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by uni-erlangen.de with SMTP; id AA06306 (5.65c-7/7.3w-FAU); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 23:51:45 +0200 Received: from faui04d.informatik.uni-erlangen.de by cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de with SMTP; id AA16908 (5.65c-6/7.3m-FAU); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 23:51:44 +0200 From: "Stefan Bieschewski (CIP Admin)" Message-Id: <199507182151.AA16908@faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Subject: Re: international orders To: 9fans Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:51:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Jul18.155159edt.34096@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> from "forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk" at Jul 18, 95 03:26:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 333 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > how are other international enquiries faring? > according to the woman on 1-407-... she has had enquiries from Germany > which were also referred back to the local HB company. > are things working more smoothly there? > should i take this opportunity to try the Channel Tunnel? Our `local' HB company is the one in the UK. Stefan >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 18 21:02:40 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34078>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:37:52 -0400 Received: from gw2.att.com ([192.20.239.134]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34076>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:37:17 -0400 Received: from cbgbcs.cb.att.com by ig1.att.att.com id AA08953; Tue, 18 Jul 95 20:24:50 EDT Received: by cbgbcs.cb.att.com (5.0/EMS-1.1 Sol2) id AA27715; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:25:06 +0500 From: Lawrence.V.Cipriani@att.com Received: by cbgbcs.cb.att.com (5.0/EMS-1.1 Sol2) id AA27687; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:25:03 +0500 Message-Id: <9507190025.AA27687@cbgbcs.cb.att.com> Original-From: lvc@cbgbcs.cb.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:23:52 -0400 Subject: AT&T Plan 9 announcement Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans AT&T ANNOUNCES *** AT&T today announced that Plan 9, a new computer operating system from AT&T Bell Laboratories, is now available for research and educational use. The Plan 9 operating system, named for the science-fiction cult movie "Plan 9 From Outer Space," was designed by the inventors of the UNIX system, a widely used operating system created at Bell Labs 25 years ago. "Plan 9 is not in competition with UNIX or Windows," said Paul Fillinich, marketing manager for AT&T Software Solutions. The Plan 9 system is based on the concept of distributed computing in a networked, client-server environment. The product, including source code, is available for $350. The full kit will be shipped with a CD-ROM, four diskettes and two manuals. A partial kit, containing only the manuals, may be ordered separately for $125. The contact number in the U.S. for information and orders is 800- 462-8146; elsewhere, +1-415-943-4076. -- Larry Cipriani, l.v.cipriani@att.com Ever feel like you're being watched ? -- You will. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 03:43:15 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34076>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:10:22 -0400 Received: from octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au ([131.236.1.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34081>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:08:48 -0400 Received: (from cjsv@localhost) by octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA07265; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:07:47 +1000 Message-Id: <199507190707.RAA07265@octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.1 12/2/94 Organization: Computer Science, University College, University of New South Wales, Canberra X-URI: http://www.cs.adfa.oz.au/people/cjsv.html From: Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: free plan 9 trial In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:18:35 -0400. <95Jul18.163015edt.34076@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:07:46 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans | The free version is available. Ftp to | plan9.att.com, log in as anonymous, and get the | files from /plan9/pcdist. The distrib.html | page now points to them. I tried booting disk1 on two 486s around here. One said /386/init: file does not exist panic: boot process dies: unknown (plus what I take to be a stack trace) A directory listing under MS-DOS indicates \386\init does exist. The other one said exception/interrupt 6 FLAGS=10092 TRAP=6 ECODE=0 PC=80107d84 (plus a register dump) I successfully booted the floppy image from the previous version on both machines, so I'm sad to see the new version fail so soon. Should I try verifying the disk image with a checksum? Or should I try a different brand PC? (I was still waiting for a local SparcStation 2 to become available so I can put the previous version up there. Perhaps I should continue to wait.) -- Christopher >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 06:55:20 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33973>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:11:55 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34028>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:08:41 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host ss1.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:03:28 +0100 To: 9fans Subject: plan9 disks in ftp.bath.ac.uk:/pub/plan9 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:04:45 -0400 From: Icarus Sparry Message-ID: <9507191104.aa09064@ss1.bath.ac.uk> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have put a copy of the plan9.att.com:/plan9/pcdist directory in ftp.bath.ac.uk:/pub/plan9, for anyone who has a faster route to us than the states. It is also available in the alex cache of alex.niss.ac.uk for UK academic sites. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 13:12:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34085>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:11:03 -0400 Received: from crab.plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34080>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:09:53 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 12:46:26 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Booting a Sparcstation from disk Message-Id: <95Jul19.130953edt.34080@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [Apologies if you've already seen this] I've got my SLC booting from disk. The command ss/home will set up a new boot disk (takes about 24 mins). Caveats: - boot disk must be scsi id 3 for the ROM monitor to boot from it - disk probably needs to have been formatted by sunos/solaris, which stores a lot of pointless information + a checksum in sector 0, which I have been leaving alone. If this becomes a problem, I can probably provide a "blank" sector 0 (there's a magic number, so it can't just be all zeros) - only V1 of the ROM monitor is supported. The ELC's are V2. I will probably fix this at a later date. Apparently a V0 exists also... P.S. You really don't want to know how it works! ;-) P.P.S. Danger! The other "home" scripts are unaware that the interface to disk/prep has changed... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 17:33:02 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34154>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:32:51 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34091>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:32:28 -0400 Received: from offramp.dsccc.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyzco07430; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:32:14 -0400 Received: by offramp.dsccc.com (5.67b/SMI-V1.8) id AA23307; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:33:54 -0500 Received: from onramp(192.245.102.129) by offramp via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma023265; Wed Jul 19 16:33:14 1995 Received: from spd.dsccc.com (spdmail.spd.dsccc.com [101.25.2.34]) by camelot.dsccc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA29826 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:32:52 -0500 Received: from sun001.spd.dsccc.com by spd.dsccc.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03351; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:34:51 -0500 From: mmarshal@spdmail.spd.dsccc.com (Mike Marshall) Message-Id: <9507192134.AA03351@spd.dsccc.com> Subject: Re: AT&T Plan 9 announcement To: 9fans Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:34:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9507190025.AA27687@cbgbcs.cb.att.com> from "Lawrence.V.Cipriani@att.com" at Jul 18, 95 09:23:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1023 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > AT&T ANNOUNCES *** AT&T today announced that Plan 9, a new > computer operating system from AT&T Bell Laboratories, is now > available for research and educational use. The Plan 9 operating > system, named for the science-fiction cult movie "Plan 9 From > Outer Space," was designed by the inventors of the UNIX system, a > widely used operating system created at Bell Labs 25 years ago. > "Plan 9 is not in competition with UNIX or Windows," said Paul > Fillinich, marketing manager for AT&T Software Solutions. The > Plan 9 system is based on the concept of distributed computing in > a networked, client-server environment. The product, including > source code, is available for $350. Does this mean that upon purchasing the "Full Kit" I will hold a "Source License for this product"... Does anyone have the Legal Speak as to what I can do with this "Source License"??? Mike mmarshal@spd.dsccc.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 18:29:37 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34152>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:29:27 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34155>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:28:45 -0400 Received: from offramp.dsccc.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyzcr23675; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:27:23 -0400 Received: by offramp.dsccc.com (5.67b/SMI-V1.8) id AA25636; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:29:03 -0500 Received: from onramp(192.245.102.129) by offramp via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma025624; Wed Jul 19 17:28:21 1995 Received: from spd.dsccc.com (spdmail.spd.dsccc.com [101.25.2.34]) by camelot.dsccc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA02810 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:27:59 -0500 Received: from sun001.spd.dsccc.com by spd.dsccc.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA04716; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:29:57 -0500 From: mmarshal@spdmail.spd.dsccc.com (Mike Marshall) Message-Id: <9507192229.AA04716@spd.dsccc.com> Subject: Re: floppies for ftp? To: 9fans Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:29:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9507181914.AA30577@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "James W. Williams" at Jul 18, 95 03:14:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 142 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > Any word on when the floppy disk images for the binary-only version will > be put up for ftp? Will there be a trial for Sparc??? Mike >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 20 17:58:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33977>; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 17:57:55 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34023>; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 17:57:35 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 07:57:06 +1000 Received: from suite.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA29753; Fri, 21 Jul 95 07:55:40 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by suite.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA25287; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 01:06:16 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA02178; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 01:04:50 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507201504.AA02178@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: aux/mouse: Unknown mouse type To: 9fans (Graverobbers from Outer Space!) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:04:48 -0400 Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oEFrom 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 21 03:11:02 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34034>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:09:47 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34033>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:08:40 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:07:53 +1000 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA06258; Fri, 21 Jul 95 17:07:27 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA00204; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:07:21 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507210707.AA00204@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: Mouse problems on the PC again To: 9fans (Graverobbers from Outer Space!) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:07:20 -0400 Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oEFrom 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 21 11:40:45 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34033>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:40:28 -0400 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.20.22]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34034>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:38:33 -0400 Received: from blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.940318) id AA43879; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:37:30 +0200 Received: from black.lrw.uni-bremen.de by lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11507; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:42:05 +0200 Received: by black.lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03852; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:40:09 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:40:09 -0400 From: a82@blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de (Henner Gratz) Message-Id: <9507211540.AA03852@black.lrw.uni-bremen.de> To: plan9-fans@cs.psu.edu Content-Length: 1010 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello everybody! Now, after Plan9 is available for everyone, I plan to order my CD-ROM from AT&T. I want to install it on a 486/Pentium PC. Because I don't own such a beast at the moment, I will have to buy one. And here the problems start. On what main-boards, graphic-cards etc. Plan9 will run. The WWW-pages on plan9.att.com aren't very detailed. I have also read the lists spread in the 9fans mailing list, but they are from 1994 for the old distributions. So here's my question: Is there a list covering the new distribution? Thank you very much for any answers! Regards, Henner -- =============================================================================== Henner Gratz Email: a82@lrw.uni-bremen.de Leeuwarder Str. 16A Fax (at home): +49-(0)421-58 52 10 D-28259 Bremen Tel (at home): +49-(0)421-58 51 84 GERMANY =============================================================================== >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 24 08:51:06 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34047>; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:50:41 -0400 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.20.22]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34041>; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:49:53 -0400 Received: from blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.940318) id AA45113; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:49:11 +0200 Received: from black.lrw.uni-bremen.de by lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16594; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:53:41 +0200 Received: by black.lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07532; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:51:44 +0200 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:51:44 -0400 From: a82@blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de (Henner Gratz) Message-Id: <9507241251.AA07532@black.lrw.uni-bremen.de> To: 9fans Content-Length: 800 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello again! Here I am again, looking for the right configuration... Has anybody tried to run Plan9 on a Gigabyte GA-586AT(/P256) board? The Bi-processor boards with the Neptun chip set used by the AT&T folks are nice, but the Trition boards are faster AND cheaper! Any experiences? Tschuess, Henner PS: I hope this will be the last question about the `right' configuration. -- =============================================================================== Henner Gratz Email: a82@lrw.uni-bremen.de Leeuwarder Str. 16A Fax (at home): +49-(0)421-58 52 10 D-28259 Bremen Tel (at home): +49-(0)421-58 51 84 GERMANY =============================================================================== >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 25 12:45:48 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34077>; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:44:29 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34047>; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:43:55 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28738; Tue, 25 Jul 95 17:43:37 BST Received: from spirit.cegelecproj.co.uk (spirit.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA05923; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:43:32 +0100 Received: by spirit.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01104; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:43:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:43:28 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk (Steve_Kilbane) Message-Id: <9507251643.AA01104@spirit.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Planation: X-Faces images can be viewed with the XFaces program To: 9fans Subject: 003056-014 VGA card supported? Content-Length: 619 X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've been playing with the trial distribution floppies, trying to get the system to boot on an old Dell 316SX, here at work. I can get it as far as attempting to configure the VGA system, but of course the default /lib/vgadb doesn't have an entry for my machine. I've tried hacking vgadb and just adding in an entry for it as a straightforward 640x480, but it just hangs. Sigh. I've got the machine to the state where it can boot up and give me a shell, but there's no access to 8½, etc. So the question is, is there any way of getting it to support this card, or do I just give up on this particular machine? steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 16:00:44 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34099>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:56:20 -0400 Received: from noao.edu ([140.252.1.54]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34164>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:16:27 -0400 Received: from gemini.tuc.noao.edu by noao.edu (4.1/SAG-Noao.G102) id AA21757; Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:36:53 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao by gemini.tuc.noao.edu (4.1/SAG.sat.14) id AA17793; Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:36:52 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao (4.1/SAG.sun.8) id AA19352; Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:36:50 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 12:36:50 -0400 From: rwolff@noao.edu (Richard Wolff) Message-Id: <9507261636.AA19352@daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao> To: 9fans Subject: Installing on second disk Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have a Gateway PC (486/66) with two 400 MB (IDE) disk drives. I'd like to install plan9 on the second drive (hd1) but retain there a modest DOS partion (D:). If I install the 4 disk "trial" system using the orignal "prep", all goes well and I have a system I can boot from hd1, except that, should I run DOS/Windows again, the D: partition is gone (the partition table has been destroyed, presumably). It doesn't matter if I partition the disk with the D: partition at the start or end of the disk. On the other hand, if I try the same things using the new prep, prep complains with error 23: Not enough room for boot area Aside from the notion of moving most of what's on C: to D: and installing plan9 on C:, can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong or what I might try? Richard >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 16:20:17 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34100>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:18:22 -0400 Received: from goonsquad.spies.com ([192.216.22.66]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34109>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:02:15 -0400 Received: by goonsquad.spies.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0sbC0q-00025bC; Wed, 26 Jul 95 12:21 PDT Message-Id: From: ahm@goonsquad.spies.com (Andreas Meyer) Subject: Got it loaded. Now what? To: 9fans (9fans) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:20:59 -0400 Organization: The Internet Wiretap Content-Type: text Content-Length: 517 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Okay, so I've grabbed the PC distribution from plan9.att.com and seem to have it running reasonably well on my AT&T 6386/SX WGS. (Although, it refuses to load on my 386DX40 clone. It says it doesn't see my IDE drive?!). So, short of downloading the man pages _en masse_, how do I get more information? I've printed out most of the documents available on the Web page under Volume 2. Thanks! Andy -- Andreas Meyer, N2FYE Sustain. Endure. Evolve. ahm@goonsquad.spies.com http://www.spies.com/~ahm/ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 18:48:20 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34104>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:46:23 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34107>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:33:03 -0400 Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12762>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:40:04 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans Message-Id: <95Jul26.174004edt.12762@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:39:58 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Just out of curiosity, what sort of legal permission, if any, was required to get Bela Lugosi et al's picture on the first edition cdrom? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 21:01:53 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34127>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:00:28 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at ([129.27.150.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34138>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:42:39 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (bri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA14661 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 00:16:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199507262216.AAA14661@blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at> To: 9fans Subject: first tries Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:15:59 -0400 From: Brian Ward Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Ok, so I tried to install the floppy distribution on one of my PCs today, and here's what my experiences were (roughly): 9 doesn't seem to want to talk to my Maxtor 7546A drive at all. This is a plain one-year-old 540MB IDE drive that works fine with linux, so there shouldn't be any problem with using non-BIOS-oriented I/O. More precisely, when I booted the first time, it said that it couldn't find my primary DOS partition, which sure isn't terribly informative, but at least "you will have to change your hardware configuration" was somewhere close to the point. After fiddling around with the disk and booting it to a shell, I found that there's no hint of a /dev/hd0disk, etc, even though #H had been bound. To make sure that I wasn't going totally nuts, I tried the same floppy on a variety of other IDE disks (which I can't use at moment because there's stuff on them). All of the other disks were recognized (/dev entries showing up, etc), so there's something particular with this one. I don't know if it's something with Maxtor as a vendor, because one of the other disks is also a Maxtor. So tomorrow I'll do some shuffling, to see if it installs ok on another disk. (I tried the disk on a few different controllers and computers.) So then to my "opinionated" comments, which may or may not mean anything to you: There were seemingly no diagnostics at all telling me if the bind #H failed. In fact, in cpurc, they're all > /dev/null >[2=1]ed out. I got rid of those and still didn't get anything. The same goes for the mounts after that, except that they actually say something when they fail -- they tell you the command failed (but don't say that they failed because the device didn't exist). A little more feedback from these commands would have been nice. The install program looks like the MS-DOS install program (which I grudgingly had to run for the first time ever today. more on this later.). Admittedly, I haven't gotten very far into it because of the above, but it's definitely not my definition of pretty. And about MS-DOS: I do hope this requirement can be dropped soon. I found setting up MS-DOS to be quite painful. I can understand the need for bootstrapping at first (linux and the "others" also had to do the same thing in the early days), but let's please not get too used to it. :-) In fact, the linux boot-loader should even be able to boot plan 9 if you dropped it enough hints on the floor. It's of course fun to play around a little with the mini-system on the boot disk. Maybe that's just me. Last and certainly not least: I (finally) got to see Plan 9 From Outer Space in a Viennese theater last Sunday. How very excellent! An experience no one should miss out on. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 21:40:56 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45492>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:39:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45491>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:33:07 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Test message Cc: schwartz@daneel.cse.psu.edu X-uri: X-Work-Address: Department of Computer Science and Engineering 121A Pond Laboratory The Pennsylvania State University University Park, PA 16802 X-Work-Phone: +1 814 863 1142 (Voice) +1 814 865 3176 (FAX) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:10:38 -0400 From: Daniel R Ehrlich Message-Id: <95Jul26.213307edt.45491@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Some people have reported problems with the 9fans mailing list. I am trying to determine what's wrong. Please disregard this mail. -- Dan Ehrlich >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 07:39:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33979>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:38:09 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at ([129.27.150.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33964>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:37:47 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (bri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA14876 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:37:49 +0200 Message-Id: <199507271137.NAA14876@blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at> To: 9fans Subject: second try Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:37:49 -0400 From: Brian Ward Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Ok, so I tried on a different drive this morning and eventually got it to work. The following information may or may not be useful: I installed it on my notebook, which has a 340MB disk, 16MB RAM, and an i486dx4/100. Linux was installed on this machine, but there was a 32MB swap partition, so I had the bright idea to install the DOS and plan 9 partitions over that. I used one of my other linux boxen to prepare the floppy (had to replace the "prep" command on it), and proceeded. You don't need to have much of DOS at all on the disk; all you have to do is: - boot with 1st ms-dos disk and exit the setup program as soon as it starts - "fdisk" and make a tiny DOS partition (I used 4MB but it could be smaller, I'm sure) - computer will reboot when you exit fdisk (stupid hardware, stupid software) - do step 1 again (wince harder this time) - "format c: /s" - if you have linux installed on the disk, you need to do an fdisk /mbr (please see linux notes below!) - replace DOS trash-disk with plan 9 boot disk and type "b". Here's where I ran into trouble. The place on the disk I was planning to install plan 9 was in between my / and /usr linux partitions. The plan 9 boot disk booted and seemingly took the first partition on the disk (my /) to be the DOS partition and when I told it to install the plan 9 DOS files, it waltzed right over that. I suspected this when I rebooted and there was no plan9 directory on the DOS partition. I knew it when I tried to boot linux from floppy. So we now know that plan 9's install doesn't seem to know the right way to find the "primary DOS partition." The moral of this story is to back up everything on the disk beforehand even if it is on another partition, because plan 9 will zing it ruthlessly -- even though I installed using the "fixed" prep command, it still went ahead and zapped my /usr partition. I have a feeling that the fix was for multiple partitions directly after the DOS trash (which seemingly has to be the first on the disk) and not anything that may be after where you intend to put plan 9. I'll try to confirm this later. Ok, so now after / was gone, I just went ahead and put the DOS partition at the beginning of the disk (as I described above) and went ahead with the install. ("C'mon Bullwinkle.. that trick NEVER works.." "This time for sure, Rocky!") Ok, this time it did work. However: I couldn't get it to recognize the built-in PS/2 trackball or a serial Mouse Systems mouse. Finally, I grudgingly pulled the Logitech MouseMan out of my other Linux box, and that did work. I suppose I have to buy another MouseMan, anyway (they cost $65 here, you know.). It didn't do 640x480x8 vga right, but it does do monochrome ok, as it should. I'm not surprised by this because my notebook has a Cirrus 6440 chipset and that's still kind of a rare beast (although XFree86 3.1.1 supports it). All of this fiddling around meant a lot of rebooting and changing the plan9.ini file (through the plan 9 install program, probably a silly thing to do). When booting the install program, the kernel correctly says that I have a 2-slotted intel xxxxx PCMCIA chipset in the notebook, but when I put in my 3Com 3C589 and configure it in, it screws up and identifies it as a 1-slot Cirrus Logic controller. Oh well, I'll see about it later. It's really cool. In particular, acme feels great and is extremely well-done. I can't find my break key (tried plokta) - don't know if this is due to the smaller notebook keyboard or what. Anyway, it's an excellent job, but I'd definitely recommend getting another hard disk before installing. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 08:32:33 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33985>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:31:53 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33979>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:31:36 -0400 From: rob@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:31:11 -0400 Message-Id: <95Jul27.083136edt.33979@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Those of you who received the first distribution were asked to mail plan.9@research.att.com with questions. We are turning off that mail alias; use this 9fans list as a first place for queries from now on. Thanks. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 15:59:14 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45588>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:56:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Computer Science and Engineering, Penn State University From: ehrlich To: 9fans-outgoing@cse Subject: Test email Reply-to: ehrlich Versions: dmail 1.9d/makemail 2.3 Message-Id: <95Jul27.155644edt.45588@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:56:42 -0400 I have heard that folks are not receiving messages from 9fans@cse.psu.edu. If you are reading this, please reply and let me know. Thanks, Dan Ehrlich -- Dan Ehrlich - Systems Analyst - PSU Computer Science and Engineering "Universities should be safe havens where ruthless examination of realities will not be distorted by the aim to please or inhibited by the risk of displeasure." - Kingman Brewster 2.6 fingerprint = 5C 01 7F 57 B0 AB 68 72 04 23 B9 BD 27 AD 85 60 echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 18:23:30 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45595>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:57:52 -0400 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45594>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:57:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Computer Science and Engineering, Penn State University From: ehrlich To: 9fans Subject: Mailing list meltdown Versions: dmail 1.9d/makemail 2.3 Message-Id: <95Jul27.175736edt.45594@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:57:34 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It seems that sometime between 15:00 on July 18th and 09:45 on July 19th the file that holds the 9fans mailing list got truncated to zero bytes. I have restored the list as of the 18th and added anyone who subscribed since then. Sorry for the inconvienece. All messages are stored in the archive. So just send majorodomo@cse.psu.edu a message containing index 9fans for a current list. -- Dan Ehrlich -- Dan Ehrlich - Systems Analyst - PSU Computer Science and Engineering "Universities should be safe havens where ruthless examination of realities will not be distorted by the aim to please or inhibited by the risk of displeasure." - Kingman Brewster 2.6 fingerprint = 5C 01 7F 57 B0 AB 68 72 04 23 B9 BD 27 AD 85 60 echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 19:09:25 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34069>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:38:10 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34093>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:37:23 -0400 Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12762>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:33:54 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans Message-Id: <95Jul27.183354edt.12762@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:33:51 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Rather than have everyone dig thru the majordumbo archives, I'll just post the messages since just before the 19th. That way external archive sites will get them too. Also, could everyone please check that their addresses are correct and not duplicated or otherwise confused? ------- >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 18 21:02:40 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34078>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:37:52 -0400 Received: from gw2.att.com ([192.20.239.134]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34076>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:37:17 -0400 Received: from cbgbcs.cb.att.com by ig1.att.att.com id AA08953; Tue, 18 Jul 95 20:24:50 EDT Received: by cbgbcs.cb.att.com (5.0/EMS-1.1 Sol2) id AA27715; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:25:06 +0500 From: Lawrence.V.Cipriani@att.com Received: by cbgbcs.cb.att.com (5.0/EMS-1.1 Sol2) id AA27687; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:25:03 +0500 Message-Id: <9507190025.AA27687@cbgbcs.cb.att.com> Original-From: lvc@cbgbcs.cb.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:23:52 -0400 Subject: AT&T Plan 9 announcement Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans AT&T ANNOUNCES *** AT&T today announced that Plan 9, a new computer operating system from AT&T Bell Laboratories, is now available for research and educational use. The Plan 9 operating system, named for the science-fiction cult movie "Plan 9 From Outer Space," was designed by the inventors of the UNIX system, a widely used operating system created at Bell Labs 25 years ago. "Plan 9 is not in competition with UNIX or Windows," said Paul Fillinich, marketing manager for AT&T Software Solutions. The Plan 9 system is based on the concept of distributed computing in a networked, client-server environment. The product, including source code, is available for $350. The full kit will be shipped with a CD-ROM, four diskettes and two manuals. A partial kit, containing only the manuals, may be ordered separately for $125. The contact number in the U.S. for information and orders is 800- 462-8146; elsewhere, +1-415-943-4076. -- Larry Cipriani, l.v.cipriani@att.com Ever feel like you're being watched ? -- You will. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 03:43:15 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34076>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:10:22 -0400 Received: from octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au ([131.236.1.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34081>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:08:48 -0400 Received: (from cjsv@localhost) by octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA07265; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:07:47 +1000 Message-Id: <199507190707.RAA07265@octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.1 12/2/94 Organization: Computer Science, University College, University of New South Wales, Canberra X-URI: http://www.cs.adfa.oz.au/people/cjsv.html From: Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: free plan 9 trial In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:18:35 -0400. <95Jul18.163015edt.34076@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:07:46 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans | The free version is available. Ftp to | plan9.att.com, log in as anonymous, and get the | files from /plan9/pcdist. The distrib.html | page now points to them. I tried booting disk1 on two 486s around here. One said /386/init: file does not exist panic: boot process dies: unknown (plus what I take to be a stack trace) A directory listing under MS-DOS indicates \386\init does exist. The other one said exception/interrupt 6 FLAGS=10092 TRAP=6 ECODE=0 PC=80107d84 (plus a register dump) I successfully booted the floppy image from the previous version on both machines, so I'm sad to see the new version fail so soon. Should I try verifying the disk image with a checksum? Or should I try a different brand PC? (I was still waiting for a local SparcStation 2 to become available so I can put the previous version up there. Perhaps I should continue to wait.) -- Christopher >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 06:55:20 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33973>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:11:55 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34028>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:08:41 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host ss1.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:03:28 +0100 To: 9fans Subject: plan9 disks in ftp.bath.ac.uk:/pub/plan9 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:04:45 -0400 From: Icarus Sparry Message-ID: <9507191104.aa09064@ss1.bath.ac.uk> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have put a copy of the plan9.att.com:/plan9/pcdist directory in ftp.bath.ac.uk:/pub/plan9, for anyone who has a faster route to us than the states. It is also available in the alex cache of alex.niss.ac.uk for UK academic sites. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 13:12:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34085>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:11:03 -0400 Received: from crab.plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34080>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:09:53 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 12:46:26 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Booting a Sparcstation from disk Message-Id: <95Jul19.130953edt.34080@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [Apologies if you've already seen this] I've got my SLC booting from disk. The command ss/home will set up a new boot disk (takes about 24 mins). Caveats: - boot disk must be scsi id 3 for the ROM monitor to boot from it - disk probably needs to have been formatted by sunos/solaris, which stores a lot of pointless information + a checksum in sector 0, which I have been leaving alone. If this becomes a problem, I can probably provide a "blank" sector 0 (there's a magic number, so it can't just be all zeros) - only V1 of the ROM monitor is supported. The ELC's are V2. I will probably fix this at a later date. Apparently a V0 exists also... P.S. You really don't want to know how it works! ;-) P.P.S. Danger! The other "home" scripts are unaware that the interface to disk/prep has changed... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 17:33:02 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34154>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:32:51 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34091>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:32:28 -0400 Received: from offramp.dsccc.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyzco07430; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:32:14 -0400 Received: by offramp.dsccc.com (5.67b/SMI-V1.8) id AA23307; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:33:54 -0500 Received: from onramp(192.245.102.129) by offramp via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma023265; Wed Jul 19 16:33:14 1995 Received: from spd.dsccc.com (spdmail.spd.dsccc.com [101.25.2.34]) by camelot.dsccc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA29826 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:32:52 -0500 Received: from sun001.spd.dsccc.com by spd.dsccc.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03351; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:34:51 -0500 From: mmarshal@spdmail.spd.dsccc.com (Mike Marshall) Message-Id: <9507192134.AA03351@spd.dsccc.com> Subject: Re: AT&T Plan 9 announcement To: 9fans Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:34:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9507190025.AA27687@cbgbcs.cb.att.com> from "Lawrence.V.Cipriani@att.com" at Jul 18, 95 09:23:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1023 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > AT&T ANNOUNCES *** AT&T today announced that Plan 9, a new > computer operating system from AT&T Bell Laboratories, is now > available for research and educational use. The Plan 9 operating > system, named for the science-fiction cult movie "Plan 9 From > Outer Space," was designed by the inventors of the UNIX system, a > widely used operating system created at Bell Labs 25 years ago. > "Plan 9 is not in competition with UNIX or Windows," said Paul > Fillinich, marketing manager for AT&T Software Solutions. The > Plan 9 system is based on the concept of distributed computing in > a networked, client-server environment. The product, including > source code, is available for $350. Does this mean that upon purchasing the "Full Kit" I will hold a "Source License for this product"... Does anyone have the Legal Speak as to what I can do with this "Source License"??? Mike mmarshal@spd.dsccc.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 18:29:37 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34152>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:29:27 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34155>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:28:45 -0400 Received: from offramp.dsccc.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyzcr23675; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:27:23 -0400 Received: by offramp.dsccc.com (5.67b/SMI-V1.8) id AA25636; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:29:03 -0500 Received: from onramp(192.245.102.129) by offramp via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma025624; Wed Jul 19 17:28:21 1995 Received: from spd.dsccc.com (spdmail.spd.dsccc.com [101.25.2.34]) by camelot.dsccc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA02810 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:27:59 -0500 Received: from sun001.spd.dsccc.com by spd.dsccc.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA04716; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:29:57 -0500 From: mmarshal@spdmail.spd.dsccc.com (Mike Marshall) Message-Id: <9507192229.AA04716@spd.dsccc.com> Subject: Re: floppies for ftp? To: 9fans Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:29:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9507181914.AA30577@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "James W. Williams" at Jul 18, 95 03:14:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 142 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > Any word on when the floppy disk images for the binary-only version will > be put up for ftp? Will there be a trial for Sparc??? Mike >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 20 17:58:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33977>; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 17:57:55 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34023>; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 17:57:35 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 07:57:06 +1000 Received: from suite.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA29753; Fri, 21 Jul 95 07:55:40 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by suite.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA25287; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 01:06:16 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA02178; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 01:04:50 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507201504.AA02178@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: aux/mouse: Unknown mouse type To: 9fans (Graverobbers from Outer Space!) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:04:48 -0400 Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oEFrom 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 21 03:11:02 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34034>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:09:47 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34033>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:08:40 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:07:53 +1000 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA06258; Fri, 21 Jul 95 17:07:27 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA00204; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:07:21 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507210707.AA00204@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: Mouse problems on the PC again To: 9fans (Graverobbers from Outer Space!) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:07:20 -0400 Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oEFrom 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 21 11:40:45 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34033>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:40:28 -0400 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.20.22]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34034>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:38:33 -0400 Received: from blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.940318) id AA43879; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:37:30 +0200 Received: from black.lrw.uni-bremen.de by lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11507; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:42:05 +0200 Received: by black.lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03852; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:40:09 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:40:09 -0400 From: a82@blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de (Henner Gratz) Message-Id: <9507211540.AA03852@black.lrw.uni-bremen.de> To: plan9-fans@cs.psu.edu Content-Length: 1010 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello everybody! Now, after Plan9 is available for everyone, I plan to order my CD-ROM from AT&T. I want to install it on a 486/Pentium PC. Because I don't own such a beast at the moment, I will have to buy one. And here the problems start. On what main-boards, graphic-cards etc. Plan9 will run. The WWW-pages on plan9.att.com aren't very detailed. I have also read the lists spread in the 9fans mailing list, but they are from 1994 for the old distributions. So here's my question: Is there a list covering the new distribution? Thank you very much for any answers! Regards, Henner -- =============================================================================== Henner Gratz Email: a82@lrw.uni-bremen.de Leeuwarder Str. 16A Fax (at home): +49-(0)421-58 52 10 D-28259 Bremen Tel (at home): +49-(0)421-58 51 84 GERMANY =============================================================================== >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 24 08:51:06 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34047>; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:50:41 -0400 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.20.22]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34041>; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:49:53 -0400 Received: from blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.940318) id AA45113; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:49:11 +0200 Received: from black.lrw.uni-bremen.de by lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16594; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:53:41 +0200 Received: by black.lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07532; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:51:44 +0200 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:51:44 -0400 From: a82@blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de (Henner Gratz) Message-Id: <9507241251.AA07532@black.lrw.uni-bremen.de> To: 9fans Content-Length: 800 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello again! Here I am again, looking for the right configuration... Has anybody tried to run Plan9 on a Gigabyte GA-586AT(/P256) board? The Bi-processor boards with the Neptun chip set used by the AT&T folks are nice, but the Trition boards are faster AND cheaper! Any experiences? Tschuess, Henner PS: I hope this will be the last question about the `right' configuration. -- =============================================================================== Henner Gratz Email: a82@lrw.uni-bremen.de Leeuwarder Str. 16A Fax (at home): +49-(0)421-58 52 10 D-28259 Bremen Tel (at home): +49-(0)421-58 51 84 GERMANY =============================================================================== >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 25 12:45:48 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34077>; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:44:29 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34047>; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:43:55 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28738; Tue, 25 Jul 95 17:43:37 BST Received: from spirit.cegelecproj.co.uk (spirit.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA05923; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:43:32 +0100 Received: by spirit.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01104; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:43:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:43:28 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk (Steve_Kilbane) Message-Id: <9507251643.AA01104@spirit.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Planation: X-Faces images can be viewed with the XFaces program To: 9fans Subject: 003056-014 VGA card supported? Content-Length: 619 X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've been playing with the trial distribution floppies, trying to get the system to boot on an old Dell 316SX, here at work. I can get it as far as attempting to configure the VGA system, but of course the default /lib/vgadb doesn't have an entry for my machine. I've tried hacking vgadb and just adding in an entry for it as a straightforward 640x480, but it just hangs. Sigh. I've got the machine to the state where it can boot up and give me a shell, but there's no access to 8½, etc. So the question is, is there any way of getting it to support this card, or do I just give up on this particular machine? steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 16:00:44 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34099>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:56:20 -0400 Received: from noao.edu ([140.252.1.54]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34164>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:16:27 -0400 Received: from gemini.tuc.noao.edu by noao.edu (4.1/SAG-Noao.G102) id AA21757; Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:36:53 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao by gemini.tuc.noao.edu (4.1/SAG.sat.14) id AA17793; Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:36:52 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao (4.1/SAG.sun.8) id AA19352; Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:36:50 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 12:36:50 -0400 From: rwolff@noao.edu (Richard Wolff) Message-Id: <9507261636.AA19352@daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao> To: 9fans Subject: Installing on second disk Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have a Gateway PC (486/66) with two 400 MB (IDE) disk drives. I'd like to install plan9 on the second drive (hd1) but retain there a modest DOS partion (D:). If I install the 4 disk "trial" system using the orignal "prep", all goes well and I have a system I can boot from hd1, except that, should I run DOS/Windows again, the D: partition is gone (the partition table has been destroyed, presumably). It doesn't matter if I partition the disk with the D: partition at the start or end of the disk. On the other hand, if I try the same things using the new prep, prep complains with error 23: Not enough room for boot area Aside from the notion of moving most of what's on C: to D: and installing plan9 on C:, can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong or what I might try? Richard >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 16:20:17 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34100>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:18:22 -0400 Received: from goonsquad.spies.com ([192.216.22.66]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34109>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:02:15 -0400 Received: by goonsquad.spies.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0sbC0q-00025bC; Wed, 26 Jul 95 12:21 PDT Message-Id: From: ahm@goonsquad.spies.com (Andreas Meyer) Subject: Got it loaded. Now what? To: 9fans (9fans) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:20:59 -0400 Organization: The Internet Wiretap Content-Type: text Content-Length: 517 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Okay, so I've grabbed the PC distribution from plan9.att.com and seem to have it running reasonably well on my AT&T 6386/SX WGS. (Although, it refuses to load on my 386DX40 clone. It says it doesn't see my IDE drive?!). So, short of downloading the man pages _en masse_, how do I get more information? I've printed out most of the documents available on the Web page under Volume 2. Thanks! Andy -- Andreas Meyer, N2FYE Sustain. Endure. Evolve. ahm@goonsquad.spies.com http://www.spies.com/~ahm/ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 18:48:20 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34104>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:46:23 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34107>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:33:03 -0400 Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12762>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:40:04 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans Message-Id: <95Jul26.174004edt.12762@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:39:58 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Just out of curiosity, what sort of legal permission, if any, was required to get Bela Lugosi et al's picture on the first edition cdrom? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 21:01:53 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34127>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:00:28 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at ([129.27.150.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34138>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:42:39 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (bri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA14661 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 00:16:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199507262216.AAA14661@blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at> To: 9fans Subject: first tries Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:15:59 -0400 From: Brian Ward Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Ok, so I tried to install the floppy distribution on one of my PCs today, and here's what my experiences were (roughly): 9 doesn't seem to want to talk to my Maxtor 7546A drive at all. This is a plain one-year-old 540MB IDE drive that works fine with linux, so there shouldn't be any problem with using non-BIOS-oriented I/O. More precisely, when I booted the first time, it said that it couldn't find my primary DOS partition, which sure isn't terribly informative, but at least "you will have to change your hardware configuration" was somewhere close to the point. After fiddling around with the disk and booting it to a shell, I found that there's no hint of a /dev/hd0disk, etc, even though #H had been bound. To make sure that I wasn't going totally nuts, I tried the same floppy on a variety of other IDE disks (which I can't use at moment because there's stuff on them). All of the other disks were recognized (/dev entries showing up, etc), so there's something particular with this one. I don't know if it's something with Maxtor as a vendor, because one of the other disks is also a Maxtor. So tomorrow I'll do some shuffling, to see if it installs ok on another disk. (I tried the disk on a few different controllers and computers.) So then to my "opinionated" comments, which may or may not mean anything to you: There were seemingly no diagnostics at all telling me if the bind #H failed. In fact, in cpurc, they're all > /dev/null >[2=1]ed out. I got rid of those and still didn't get anything. The same goes for the mounts after that, except that they actually say something when they fail -- they tell you the command failed (but don't say that they failed because the device didn't exist). A little more feedback from these commands would have been nice. The install program looks like the MS-DOS install program (which I grudgingly had to run for the first time ever today. more on this later.). Admittedly, I haven't gotten very far into it because of the above, but it's definitely not my definition of pretty. And about MS-DOS: I do hope this requirement can be dropped soon. I found setting up MS-DOS to be quite painful. I can understand the need for bootstrapping at first (linux and the "others" also had to do the same thing in the early days), but let's please not get too used to it. :-) In fact, the linux boot-loader should even be able to boot plan 9 if you dropped it enough hints on the floor. It's of course fun to play around a little with the mini-system on the boot disk. Maybe that's just me. Last and certainly not least: I (finally) got to see Plan 9 From Outer Space in a Viennese theater last Sunday. How very excellent! An experience no one should miss out on. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 21:40:56 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45492>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:39:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45491>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:33:07 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Test message Cc: schwartz@daneel.cse.psu.edu X-uri: X-Work-Address: Department of Computer Science and Engineering 121A Pond Laboratory The Pennsylvania State University University Park, PA 16802 X-Work-Phone: +1 814 863 1142 (Voice) +1 814 865 3176 (FAX) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:10:38 -0400 From: Daniel R Ehrlich Message-Id: <95Jul26.213307edt.45491@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Some people have reported problems with the 9fans mailing list. I am trying to determine what's wrong. Please disregard this mail. -- Dan Ehrlich >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 07:39:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33979>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:38:09 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at ([129.27.150.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33964>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:37:47 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (bri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA14876 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:37:49 +0200 Message-Id: <199507271137.NAA14876@blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at> To: 9fans Subject: second try Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:37:49 -0400 From: Brian Ward Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Ok, so I tried on a different drive this morning and eventually got it to work. The following information may or may not be useful: I installed it on my notebook, which has a 340MB disk, 16MB RAM, and an i486dx4/100. Linux was installed on this machine, but there was a 32MB swap partition, so I had the bright idea to install the DOS and plan 9 partitions over that. I used one of my other linux boxen to prepare the floppy (had to replace the "prep" command on it), and proceeded. You don't need to have much of DOS at all on the disk; all you have to do is: - boot with 1st ms-dos disk and exit the setup program as soon as it starts - "fdisk" and make a tiny DOS partition (I used 4MB but it could be smaller, I'm sure) - computer will reboot when you exit fdisk (stupid hardware, stupid software) - do step 1 again (wince harder this time) - "format c: /s" - if you have linux installed on the disk, you need to do an fdisk /mbr (please see linux notes below!) - replace DOS trash-disk with plan 9 boot disk and type "b". Here's where I ran into trouble. The place on the disk I was planning to install plan 9 was in between my / and /usr linux partitions. The plan 9 boot disk booted and seemingly took the first partition on the disk (my /) to be the DOS partition and when I told it to install the plan 9 DOS files, it waltzed right over that. I suspected this when I rebooted and there was no plan9 directory on the DOS partition. I knew it when I tried to boot linux from floppy. So we now know that plan 9's install doesn't seem to know the right way to find the "primary DOS partition." The moral of this story is to back up everything on the disk beforehand even if it is on another partition, because plan 9 will zing it ruthlessly -- even though I installed using the "fixed" prep command, it still went ahead and zapped my /usr partition. I have a feeling that the fix was for multiple partitions directly after the DOS trash (which seemingly has to be the first on the disk) and not anything that may be after where you intend to put plan 9. I'll try to confirm this later. Ok, so now after / was gone, I just went ahead and put the DOS partition at the beginning of the disk (as I described above) and went ahead with the install. ("C'mon Bullwinkle.. that trick NEVER works.." "This time for sure, Rocky!") Ok, this time it did work. However: I couldn't get it to recognize the built-in PS/2 trackball or a serial Mouse Systems mouse. Finally, I grudgingly pulled the Logitech MouseMan out of my other Linux box, and that did work. I suppose I have to buy another MouseMan, anyway (they cost $65 here, you know.). It didn't do 640x480x8 vga right, but it does do monochrome ok, as it should. I'm not surprised by this because my notebook has a Cirrus 6440 chipset and that's still kind of a rare beast (although XFree86 3.1.1 supports it). All of this fiddling around meant a lot of rebooting and changing the plan9.ini file (through the plan 9 install program, probably a silly thing to do). When booting the install program, the kernel correctly says that I have a 2-slotted intel xxxxx PCMCIA chipset in the notebook, but when I put in my 3Com 3C589 and configure it in, it screws up and identifies it as a 1-slot Cirrus Logic controller. Oh well, I'll see about it later. It's really cool. In particular, acme feels great and is extremely well-done. I can't find my break key (tried plokta) - don't know if this is due to the smaller notebook keyboard or what. Anyway, it's an excellent job, but I'd definitely recommend getting another hard disk before installing. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 08:32:33 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33985>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:31:53 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33979>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:31:36 -0400 From: rob@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:31:11 -0400 Message-Id: <95Jul27.083136edt.33979@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Those of you who received the first distribution were asked to mail plan.9@research.att.com with questions. We are turning off that mail alias; use this 9fans list as a first place for queries from now on. Thanks. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 15:59:14 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45588>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:56:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Computer Science and Engineering, Penn State University From: ehrlich To: 9fans-outgoing@cse Subject: Test email Reply-to: ehrlich Versions: dmail 1.9d/makemail 2.3 Message-Id: <95Jul27.155644edt.45588@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:56:42 -0400 I have heard that folks are not receiving messages from 9fans@cse.psu.edu. If you are reading this, please reply and let me know. Thanks, Dan Ehrlich -- Dan Ehrlich - Systems Analyst - PSU Computer Science and Engineering "Universities should be safe havens where ruthless examination of realities will not be distorted by the aim to please or inhibited by the risk of displeasure." - Kingman Brewster 2.6 fingerprint = 5C 01 7F 57 B0 AB 68 72 04 23 B9 BD 27 AD 85 60 echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 18:23:30 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45595>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:57:52 -0400 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45594>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:57:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Computer Science and Engineering, Penn State University From: ehrlich To: 9fans Subject: Mailing list meltdown Versions: dmail 1.9d/makemail 2.3 Message-Id: <95Jul27.175736edt.45594@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:57:34 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It seems that sometime between 15:00 on July 18th and 09:45 on July 19th the file that holds the 9fans mailing list got truncated to zero bytes. I have restored the list as of the 18th and added anyone who subscribed since then. Sorry for the inconvienece. All messages are stored in the archive. So just send majorodomo@cse.psu.edu a message containing index 9fans for a current list. -- Dan Ehrlich -- Dan Ehrlich - Systems Analyst - PSU Computer Science and Engineering "Universities should be safe havens where ruthless examination of realities will not be distorted by the aim to please or inhibited by the risk of displeasure." - Kingman Brewster 2.6 fingerprint = 5C 01 7F 57 B0 AB 68 72 04 23 B9 BD 27 AD 85 60 echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 20:05:27 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34079>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 19:42:54 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.16]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34082>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 19:39:26 -0400 Received: from ncrgw1 by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id ab12964; 27 Jul 95 19:36 EDT Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Jul 95 19:34:30 EDT Received: by ncrhub4.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Jul 95 19:34:19 EDT Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 19:33:01 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcae.columbiasc.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.8.1 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 06/12/93 6) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9507271936.ab12964@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Executing: /usr/lib/mail/surrcmd/smtpqer -C -u ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM!ncrhub4!ncrgw1!cse.psu.edu!9fans yesac wescott@yesac smtpqer: Binary contents cannot be sent via SMTP server "/usr/lib/mail/surrcmd/smtpqer" failed - unknown mailer error 1 ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From ncrgw1!cse.psu.edu!9fans Thu Jul 27 19:33 EDT 1995 remote from ncrhub4 Received: by ncrhub4.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Jul 95 19:33:59 EDT Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 27 Jul 95 19:25:06 EDT Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34069>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:38:10 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34093>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:37:23 -0400 Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12762>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:33:54 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: <95Jul27.183354edt.12762@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:33:51 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Rather than have everyone dig thru the majordumbo archives, I'll just post the messages since just before the 19th. That way external archive sites will get them too. Also, could everyone please check that their addresses are correct and not duplicated or otherwise confused? ------- >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 18 21:02:40 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34078>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:37:52 -0400 Received: from gw2.att.com ([192.20.239.134]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34076>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:37:17 -0400 Received: from cbgbcs.cb.att.com by ig1.att.att.com id AA08953; Tue, 18 Jul 95 20:24:50 EDT Received: by cbgbcs.cb.att.com (5.0/EMS-1.1 Sol2) id AA27715; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:25:06 +0500 From: Lawrence.V.Cipriani@att.com Received: by cbgbcs.cb.att.com (5.0/EMS-1.1 Sol2) id AA27687; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:25:03 +0500 Message-Id: <9507190025.AA27687@cbgbcs.cb.att.com> Original-From: lvc@cbgbcs.cb.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:23:52 -0400 Subject: AT&T Plan 9 announcement Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans AT&T ANNOUNCES *** AT&T today announced that Plan 9, a new computer operating system from AT&T Bell Laboratories, is now available for research and educational use. The Plan 9 operating system, named for the science-fiction cult movie "Plan 9 From Outer Space," was designed by the inventors of the UNIX system, a widely used operating system created at Bell Labs 25 years ago. "Plan 9 is not in competition with UNIX or Windows," said Paul Fillinich, marketing manager for AT&T Software Solutions. The Plan 9 system is based on the concept of distributed computing in a networked, client-server environment. The product, including source code, is available for $350. The full kit will be shipped with a CD-ROM, four diskettes and two manuals. A partial kit, containing only the manuals, may be ordered separately for $125. The contact number in the U.S. for information and orders is 800- 462-8146; elsewhere, +1-415-943-4076. -- Larry Cipriani, l.v.cipriani@att.com Ever feel like you're being watched ? -- You will. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 03:43:15 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34076>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:10:22 -0400 Received: from octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au ([131.236.1.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34081>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:08:48 -0400 Received: (from cjsv@localhost) by octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA07265; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:07:47 +1000 Message-Id: <199507190707.RAA07265@octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.1 12/2/94 Organization: Computer Science, University College, University of New South Wales, Canberra X-URI: http://www.cs.adfa.oz.au/people/cjsv.html From: Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: free plan 9 trial In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:18:35 -0400. <95Jul18.163015edt.34076@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:07:46 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans | The free version is available. Ftp to | plan9.att.com, log in as anonymous, and get the | files from /plan9/pcdist. The distrib.html | page now points to them. I tried booting disk1 on two 486s around here. One said /386/init: file does not exist panic: boot process dies: unknown (plus what I take to be a stack trace) A directory listing under MS-DOS indicates \386\init does exist. The other one said exception/interrupt 6 FLAGS=10092 TRAP=6 ECODE=0 PC=80107d84 (plus a register dump) I successfully booted the floppy image from the previous version on both machines, so I'm sad to see the new version fail so soon. Should I try verifying the disk image with a checksum? Or should I try a different brand PC? (I was still waiting for a local SparcStation 2 to become available so I can put the previous version up there. Perhaps I should continue to wait.) -- Christopher >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 06:55:20 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33973>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:11:55 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34028>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:08:41 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host ss1.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:03:28 +0100 To: 9fans Subject: plan9 disks in ftp.bath.ac.uk:/pub/plan9 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:04:45 -0400 From: Icarus Sparry Message-ID: <9507191104.aa09064@ss1.bath.ac.uk> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have put a copy of the plan9.att.com:/plan9/pcdist directory in ftp.bath.ac.uk:/pub/plan9, for anyone who has a faster route to us than the states. It is also available in the alex cache of alex.niss.ac.uk for UK academic sites. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 13:12:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34085>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:11:03 -0400 Received: from crab.plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34080>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:09:53 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 12:46:26 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Booting a Sparcstation from disk Message-Id: <95Jul19.130953edt.34080@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [Apologies if you've already seen this] I've got my SLC booting from disk. The command ss/home will set up a new boot disk (takes about 24 mins). Caveats: - boot disk must be scsi id 3 for the ROM monitor to boot from it - disk probably needs to have been formatted by sunos/solaris, which stores a lot of pointless information + a checksum in sector 0, which I have been leaving alone. If this becomes a problem, I can probably provide a "blank" sector 0 (there's a magic number, so it can't just be all zeros) - only V1 of the ROM monitor is supported. The ELC's are V2. I will probably fix this at a later date. Apparently a V0 exists also... P.S. You really don't want to know how it works! ;-) P.P.S. Danger! The other "home" scripts are unaware that the interface to disk/prep has changed... >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 17:33:02 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34154>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:32:51 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34091>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:32:28 -0400 Received: from offramp.dsccc.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyzco07430; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:32:14 -0400 Received: by offramp.dsccc.com (5.67b/SMI-V1.8) id AA23307; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:33:54 -0500 Received: from onramp(192.245.102.129) by offramp via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma023265; Wed Jul 19 16:33:14 1995 Received: from spd.dsccc.com (spdmail.spd.dsccc.com [101.25.2.34]) by camelot.dsccc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA29826 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:32:52 -0500 Received: from sun001.spd.dsccc.com by spd.dsccc.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03351; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:34:51 -0500 From: mmarshal@spdmail.spd.dsccc.com (Mike Marshall) Message-Id: <9507192134.AA03351@spd.dsccc.com> Subject: Re: AT&T Plan 9 announcement To: 9fans Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:34:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9507190025.AA27687@cbgbcs.cb.att.com> from "Lawrence.V.Cipriani@att.com" at Jul 18, 95 09:23:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1023 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > AT&T ANNOUNCES *** AT&T today announced that Plan 9, a new > computer operating system from AT&T Bell Laboratories, is now > available for research and educational use. The Plan 9 operating > system, named for the science-fiction cult movie "Plan 9 From > Outer Space," was designed by the inventors of the UNIX system, a > widely used operating system created at Bell Labs 25 years ago. > "Plan 9 is not in competition with UNIX or Windows," said Paul > Fillinich, marketing manager for AT&T Software Solutions. The > Plan 9 system is based on the concept of distributed computing in > a networked, client-server environment. The product, including > source code, is available for $350. Does this mean that upon purchasing the "Full Kit" I will hold a "Source License for this product"... Does anyone have the Legal Speak as to what I can do with this "Source License"??? Mike mmarshal@spd.dsccc.com >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 18:29:37 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34152>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:29:27 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34155>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:28:45 -0400 Received: from offramp.dsccc.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyzcr23675; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:27:23 -0400 Received: by offramp.dsccc.com (5.67b/SMI-V1.8) id AA25636; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:29:03 -0500 Received: from onramp(192.245.102.129) by offramp via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma025624; Wed Jul 19 17:28:21 1995 Received: from spd.dsccc.com (spdmail.spd.dsccc.com [101.25.2.34]) by camelot.dsccc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA02810 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:27:59 -0500 Received: from sun001.spd.dsccc.com by spd.dsccc.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA04716; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:29:57 -0500 From: mmarshal@spdmail.spd.dsccc.com (Mike Marshall) Message-Id: <9507192229.AA04716@spd.dsccc.com> Subject: Re: floppies for ftp? To: 9fans Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:29:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9507181914.AA30577@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "James W. Williams" at Jul 18, 95 03:14:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 142 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > Any word on when the floppy disk images for the binary-only version will > be put up for ftp? Will there be a trial for Sparc??? Mike >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 20 17:58:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33977>; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 17:57:55 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34023>; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 17:57:35 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 07:57:06 +1000 Received: from suite.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA29753; Fri, 21 Jul 95 07:55:40 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by suite.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA25287; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 01:06:16 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA02178; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 01:04:50 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507201504.AA02178@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: aux/mouse: Unknown mouse type To: 9fans (Graverobbers from Outer Space!) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:04:48 -0400 Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oEFrom 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 21 03:11:02 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34034>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:09:47 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34033>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:08:40 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:07:53 +1000 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA06258; Fri, 21 Jul 95 17:07:27 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA00204; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:07:21 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507210707.AA00204@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: Mouse problems on the PC again To: 9fans (Graverobbers from Outer Space!) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:07:20 -0400 Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oEFrom 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 21 11:40:45 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34033>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:40:28 -0400 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.20.22]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34034>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:38:33 -0400 Received: from blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.940318) id AA43879; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:37:30 +0200 Received: from black.lrw.uni-bremen.de by lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11507; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:42:05 +0200 Received: by black.lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03852; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:40:09 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:40:09 -0400 From: a82@blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de (Henner Gratz) Message-Id: <9507211540.AA03852@black.lrw.uni-bremen.de> To: plan9-fans@cs.psu.edu Content-Length: 1010 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello everybody! Now, after Plan9 is available for everyone, I plan to order my CD-ROM from AT&T. I want to install it on a 486/Pentium PC. Because I don't own such a beast at the moment, I will have to buy one. And here the problems start. On what main-boards, graphic-cards etc. Plan9 will run. The WWW-pages on plan9.att.com aren't very detailed. I have also read the lists spread in the 9fans mailing list, but they are from 1994 for the old distributions. So here's my question: Is there a list covering the new distribution? Thank you very much for any answers! Regards, Henner -- =============================================================================== Henner Gratz Email: a82@lrw.uni-bremen.de Leeuwarder Str. 16A Fax (at home): +49-(0)421-58 52 10 D-28259 Bremen Tel (at home): +49-(0)421-58 51 84 GERMANY =============================================================================== >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 24 08:51:06 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34047>; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:50:41 -0400 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.20.22]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34041>; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:49:53 -0400 Received: from blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.940318) id AA45113; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:49:11 +0200 Received: from black.lrw.uni-bremen.de by lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16594; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:53:41 +0200 Received: by black.lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07532; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:51:44 +0200 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:51:44 -0400 From: a82@blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de (Henner Gratz) Message-Id: <9507241251.AA07532@black.lrw.uni-bremen.de> To: 9fans Content-Length: 800 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello again! Here I am again, looking for the right configuration... Has anybody tried to run Plan9 on a Gigabyte GA-586AT(/P256) board? The Bi-processor boards with the Neptun chip set used by the AT&T folks are nice, but the Trition boards are faster AND cheaper! Any experiences? Tschuess, Henner PS: I hope this will be the last question about the `right' configuration. -- =============================================================================== Henner Gratz Email: a82@lrw.uni-bremen.de Leeuwarder Str. 16A Fax (at home): +49-(0)421-58 52 10 D-28259 Bremen Tel (at home): +49-(0)421-58 51 84 GERMANY =============================================================================== >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 25 12:45:48 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34077>; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:44:29 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34047>; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:43:55 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28738; Tue, 25 Jul 95 17:43:37 BST Received: from spirit.cegelecproj.co.uk (spirit.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA05923; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:43:32 +0100 Received: by spirit.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01104; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:43:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:43:28 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk (Steve_Kilbane) Message-Id: <9507251643.AA01104@spirit.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Planation: X-Faces images can be viewed with the XFaces program To: 9fans Subject: 003056-014 VGA card supported? Content-Length: 619 X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've been playing with the trial distribution floppies, trying to get the system to boot on an old Dell 316SX, here at work. I can get it as far as attempting to configure the VGA system, but of course the default /lib/vgadb doesn't have an entry for my machine. I've tried hacking vgadb and just adding in an entry for it as a straightforward 640x480, but it just hangs. Sigh. I've got the machine to the state where it can boot up and give me a shell, but there's no access to 8B=, etc. So the question is, is there any way of getting it to support this card, or do I just give up on this particular machine? steve >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 16:00:44 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34099>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:56:20 -0400 Received: from noao.edu ([140.252.1.54]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34164>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:16:27 -0400 Received: from gemini.tuc.noao.edu by noao.edu (4.1/SAG-Noao.G102) id AA21757; Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:36:53 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao by gemini.tuc.noao.edu (4.1/SAG.sat.14) id AA17793; Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:36:52 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao (4.1/SAG.sun.8) id AA19352; Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:36:50 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 12:36:50 -0400 From: rwolff@noao.edu (Richard Wolff) Message-Id: <9507261636.AA19352@daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao> To: 9fans Subject: Installing on second disk Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have a Gateway PC (486/66) with two 400 MB (IDE) disk drives. I'd like to install plan9 on the second drive (hd1) but retain there a modest DOS partion (D:). If I install the 4 disk "trial" system using the orignal "prep", all goes well and I have a system I can boot from hd1, except that, should I run DOS/Windows again, the D: partition is gone (the partition table has been destroyed, presumably). It doesn't matter if I partition the disk with the D: partition at the start or end of the disk. On the other hand, if I try the same things using the new prep, prep complains with error 23: Not enough room for boot area Aside from the notion of moving most of what's on C: to D: and installing plan9 on C:, can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong or what I might try? Richard >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 16:20:17 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34100>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:18:22 -0400 Received: from goonsquad.spies.com ([192.216.22.66]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34109>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:02:15 -0400 Received: by goonsquad.spies.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0sbC0q-00025bC; Wed, 26 Jul 95 12:21 PDT Message-Id: From: ahm@goonsquad.spies.com (Andreas Meyer) Subject: Got it loaded. Now what? To: 9fans (9fans) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:20:59 -0400 Organization: The Internet Wiretap Content-Type: text Content-Length: 517 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Okay, so I've grabbed the PC distribution from plan9.att.com and seem to have it running reasonably well on my AT&T 6386/SX WGS. (Although, it refuses to load on my 386DX40 clone. It says it doesn't see my IDE drive?!). So, short of downloading the man pages _en masse_, how do I get more information? I've printed out most of the documents available on the Web page under Volume 2. Thanks! Andy -- Andreas Meyer, N2FYE Sustain. Endure. Evolve. ahm@goonsquad.spies.com http://www.spies.com/~ahm/ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 18:48:20 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34104>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:46:23 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34107>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:33:03 -0400 Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12762>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:40:04 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans Message-Id: <95Jul26.174004edt.12762@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:39:58 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Just out of curiosity, what sort of legal permission, if any, was required to get Bela Lugosi et al's picture on the first edition cdrom? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 21:01:53 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34127>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:00:28 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at ([129.27.150.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34138>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:42:39 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (bri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA14661 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 00:16:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199507262216.AAA14661@blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at> To: 9fans Subject: first tries Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:15:59 -0400 From: Brian Ward Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Ok, so I tried to install the floppy distribution on one of my PCs today, and here's what my experiences were (roughly): 9 doesn't seem to want to talk to my Maxtor 7546A drive at all. This is a plain one-year-old 540MB IDE drive that works fine with linux, so there shouldn't be any problem with using non-BIOS-oriented I/O. More precisely, when I booted the first time, it said that it couldn't find my primary DOS partition, which sure isn't terribly informative, but at least "you will have to change your hardware configuration" was somewhere close to the point. After fiddling around with the disk and booting it to a shell, I found that there's no hint of a /dev/hd0disk, etc, even though #H had been bound. To make sure that I wasn't going totally nuts, I tried the same floppy on a variety of other IDE disks (which I can't use at moment because there's stuff on them). All of the other disks were recognized (/dev entries showing up, etc), so there's something particular with this one. I don't know if it's something with Maxtor as a vendor, because one of the other disks is also a Maxtor. So tomorrow I'll do some shuffling, to see if it installs ok on another disk. (I tried the disk on a few different controllers and computers.) So then to my "opinionated" comments, which may or may not mean anything to you: There were seemingly no diagnostics at all telling me if the bind #H failed. In fact, in cpurc, they're all > /dev/null >[2=1]ed out. I got rid of those and still didn't get anything. The same goes for the mounts after that, except that they actually say something when they fail -- they tell you the command failed (but don't say that they failed because the device didn't exist). A little more feedback from these commands would have been nice. The install program looks like the MS-DOS install program (which I grudgingly had to run for the first time ever today. more on this later.). Admittedly, I haven't gotten very far into it because of the above, but it's definitely not my definition of pretty. And about MS-DOS: I do hope this requirement can be dropped soon. I found setting up MS-DOS to be quite painful. I can understand the need for bootstrapping at first (linux and the "others" also had to do the same thing in the early days), but let's please not get too used to it. :-) In fact, the linux boot-loader should even be able to boot plan 9 if you dropped it enough hints on the floor. It's of course fun to play around a little with the mini-system on the boot disk. Maybe that's just me. Last and certainly not least: I (finally) got to see Plan 9 From Outer Space in a Viennese theater last Sunday. How very excellent! An experience no one should miss out on. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 21:40:56 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45492>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:39:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45491>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:33:07 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Test message Cc: schwartz@daneel.cse.psu.edu X-uri: X-Work-Address: Department of Computer Science and Engineering 121A Pond Laboratory The Pennsylvania State University University Park, PA 16802 X-Work-Phone: +1 814 863 1142 (Voice) +1 814 865 3176 (FAX) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:10:38 -0400 From: Daniel R Ehrlich Message-Id: <95Jul26.213307edt.45491@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Some people have reported problems with the 9fans mailing list. I am trying to determine what's wrong. Please disregard this mail. -- Dan Ehrlich >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 07:39:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33979>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:38:09 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at ([129.27.150.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33964>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:37:47 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (bri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA14876 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:37:49 +0200 Message-Id: <199507271137.NAA14876@blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at> To: 9fans Subject: second try Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:37:49 -0400 From: Brian Ward Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Ok, so I tried on a different drive this morning and eventually got it to work. The following information may or may not be useful: I installed it on my notebook, which has a 340MB disk, 16MB RAM, and an i486dx4/100. Linux was installed on this machine, but there was a 32MB swap partition, so I had the bright idea to install the DOS and plan 9 partitions over that. I used one of my other linux boxen to prepare the floppy (had to replace the "prep" command on it), and proceeded. You don't need to have much of DOS at all on the disk; all you have to do is: - boot with 1st ms-dos disk and exit the setup program as soon as it starts - "fdisk" and make a tiny DOS partition (I used 4MB but it could be smaller, I'm sure) - computer will reboot when you exit fdisk (stupid hardware, stupid software) - do step 1 again (wince harder this time) - "format c: /s" - if you have linux installed on the disk, you need to do an fdisk /mbr (please see linux notes below!) - replace DOS trash-disk with plan 9 boot disk and type "b". Here's where I ran into trouble. The place on the disk I was planning to install plan 9 was in between my / and /usr linux partitions. The plan 9 boot disk booted and seemingly took the first partition on the disk (my /) to be the DOS partition and when I told it to install the plan 9 DOS files, it waltzed right over that. I suspected this when I rebooted and there was no plan9 directory on the DOS partition. I knew it when I tried to boot linux from floppy. So we now know that plan 9's install doesn't seem to know the right way to find the "primary DOS partition." The moral of this story is to back up everything on the disk beforehand even if it is on another partition, because plan 9 will zing it ruthlessly -- even though I installed using the "fixed" prep command, it still went ahead and zapped my /usr partition. I have a feeling that the fix was for multiple partitions directly after the DOS trash (which seemingly has to be the first on the disk) and not anything that may be after where you intend to put plan 9. I'll try to confirm this later. Ok, so now after / was gone, I just went ahead and put the DOS partition at the beginning of the disk (as I described above) and went ahead with the install. ("C'mon Bullwinkle.. that trick NEVER works.." "This time for sure, Rocky!") Ok, this time it did work. However: I couldn't get it to recognize the built-in PS/2 trackball or a serial Mouse Systems mouse. Finally, I grudgingly pulled the Logitech MouseMan out of my other Linux box, and that did work. I suppose I have to buy another MouseMan, anyway (they cost $65 here, you know.). It didn't do 640x480x8 vga right, but it does do monochrome ok, as it should. I'm not surprised by this because my notebook has a Cirrus 6440 chipset and that's still kind of a rare beast (although XFree86 3.1.1 supports it). All of this fiddling around meant a lot of rebooting and changing the plan9.ini file (through the plan 9 install program, probably a silly thing to do). When booting the install program, the kernel correctly says that I have a 2-slotted intel xxxxx PCMCIA chipset in the notebook, but when I put in my 3Com 3C589 and configure it in, it screws up and identifies it as a 1-slot Cirrus Logic controller. Oh well, I'll see about it later. It's really cool. In particular, acme feels great and is extremely well-done. I can't find my break key (tried plokta) - don't know if this is due to the smaller notebook keyboard or what. Anyway, it's an excellent job, but I'd definitely recommend getting another hard disk before installing. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 08:32:33 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33985>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:31:53 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33979>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:31:36 -0400 From: rob@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:31:11 -0400 Message-Id: <95Jul27.083136edt.33979@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Those of you who received the first distribution were asked to mail plan.9@research.att.com with questions. We are turning off that mail alias; use this 9fans list as a first place for queries from now on. Thanks. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 15:59:14 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45588>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:56:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Computer Science and Engineering, Penn State University From: ehrlich To: 9fans-outgoing@cse Subject: Test email Reply-to: ehrlich Versions: dmail 1.9d/makemail 2.3 Message-Id: <95Jul27.155644edt.45588@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:56:42 -0400 I have heard that folks are not receiving messages from 9fans@cse.psu.edu. If you are reading this, please reply and let me know. Thanks, Dan Ehrlich -- Dan Ehrlich - Systems Analyst - PSU Computer Science and Engineering "Universities should be safe havens where ruthless examination of realities will not be distorted by the aim to please or inhibited by the risk of displeasure." - Kingman Brewster 2.6 fingerprint = 5C 01 7F 57 B0 AB 68 72 04 23 B9 BD 27 AD 85 60 echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 18:23:30 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45595>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:57:52 -0400 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45594>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:57:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Computer Science and Engineering, Penn State University From: ehrlich To: 9fans Subject: Mailing list meltdown Versions: dmail 1.9d/makemail 2.3 Message-Id: <95Jul27.175736edt.45594@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:57:34 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It seems that sometime between 15:00 on July 18th and 09:45 on July 19th the file that holds the 9fans mailing list got truncated to zero bytes. I have restored the list as of the 18th and added anyone who subscribed since then. Sorry for the inconvienece. All messages are stored in the archive. So just send majorodomo@cse.psu.edu a message containing index 9fans for a current list. -- Dan Ehrlich -- Dan Ehrlich - Systems Analyst - PSU Computer Science and Engineering "Universities should be safe havens where ruthless examination of realities will not be distorted by the aim to please or inhibited by the risk of displeasure." - Kingman Brewster 2.6 fingerprint = 5C 01 7F 57 B0 AB 68 72 04 23 B9 BD 27 AD 85 60 echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 20:55:26 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34093>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 20:35:24 -0400 Received: from euler.Berkeley.EDU ([128.32.142.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34107>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 20:28:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by euler.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.10/1.28) id RAA01580; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:24:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199507280024.RAA01580@euler.Berkeley.EDU> From: serge@euler.Berkeley.EDU To: 9fans Subject: Re: AT&T Plan9 announcement Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 20:24:41 -0400 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans ``Mr. Footi, a clarification please.'' --Marcy Rodes, Married with Children. :-) Lawrence.V.Cipriani@att.com >To: 9fans >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:23:52 -0400 >Subject: AT&T Plan 9 announcement > >"Plan 9 is not in competition with UNIX or Windows," said Paul >Fillinich, marketing manager for AT&T Software Solutions. dmr@plan9.att.com: >To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 00:23:34 -0400 >Subject: Plan 9 encumbrance > >Even the bureaucracy is aware that we're competing not only with Linux >and BSDI and other low-cost BSD-derived systems, but also with >commercial Unix, OS/2, and Windows of all styles. Given that AT&T Plan9 announcement also later says: >source code, is available for $350. [...] >only the manuals, may be ordered separately for $125. I guess ``the wienies won'' --Geraldo, upon being dismissed from 20/20 :-) Still, I would hate to see Plan9 / Brazil die out because of this. I.e. who's going to shell out $350 when you can get Linux (and even OSF Mach) source for free and Windose (:-) for ~$70 (and Sun's Spring for ~$70)? For comparison purposes, for $350 you can get a cheapo 386 system that will run Plan9. (Even $125 for manuals seems a little steep. Hm ... I wonder if you can get just the sources without the manuals for $350 - $125 = $225? 1/2 :-) The binary only PC distribution is certainly very nice, but it's limited in the number of hardware that it supports (besides being PC-only 1/2 :-), as evidenced by the letters in this mailing list. If the source was (more) widely / easily available we could have lots of people working on extending it to support other platforms. (Witness the success of Linux, GNU, *BSD, etc.) Is there any possibility of this happening? Even something like, e.g. some Motif reselling companies contributing $1 (or $5?) for each sold product to the development of a free Motif clone would be nice. (Hm ... I wonder how VSTa is doing?) This would be somewhat like, e.g. Sun's (ex?) policy of creating / throwing new business over the wall so that the total volume increases and both they and everyone else (seller and buyer alike) benefit. Plan9: overact or die trying. :-) :-) :-) >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 28 02:19:49 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34167>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 01:32:18 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34171>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 01:25:00 -0400 From: philw@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 01:17:36 -0400 Subject: Re: AT&T Plan9 announcement Message-Id: <95Jul28.012500edt.34171@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >From: euler.Berkeley.EDU!serge Break a leg darlings. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 28 03:35:46 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34190>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 02:48:58 -0400 Received: from drizzle.Stanford.EDU ([36.59.0.16]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34201>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 02:33:23 -0400 Received: (castor@localhost) by drizzle.Stanford.EDU (8.6.8/8.6.4) id XAA22000 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:07:32 -0700 From: Castor Fu Message-Id: <199507280607.XAA22000@drizzle.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Re: AT&T Plan9 announcement To: 9fans Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 02:07:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: <199507280024.RAA01580@euler.Berkeley.EDU> from "serge@euler.Berkeley.EDU" at Jul 27, 95 08:24:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1718 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > Still, I would hate to see Plan9 / Brazil die out because of this. > I.e. who's going to shell out $350 when you can get Linux (and even OSF > Mach) source for free and Windose (:-) for ~$70 (and Sun's Spring for > ~$70)? For comparison purposes, for $350 you can get a cheapo 386 > system that will run Plan9. (Even $125 for manuals seems a little > steep. Hm ... I wonder if you can get just the sources without the > manuals for $350 - $125 = $225? 1/2 :-) The manuals are available via WWW for free, right? At my work, our primary contract is providing support for AIX internals. That's why, (to the chagrin of our product developers) we call ourselves The Kernel Group. Most of the linux users at our company have never even bothered to LOOK at the linux source. They use it like a black box. It's just not interesting enough, and probably sounds too much like work. I'd bet most linux users don't look at the source either. For these people, a binary dist is just fine. For the others, the hordes in the universities will probably have access to them, because it's so cheap that most universities will probably get it. For geeks like me, I will probably buy it, just because I want to see and play with the source. I don't think the price is unreasonable. The licensing terms are generous enough that the university community will be included, and yuppies with too much money on their hands will be able to buy it also. Incidentally, the licensing terms AT&T has announced for commercial use, ($100K + 2%/machine or 20% of cost of software) are sufficiently low that you could probably make money selling binary distributions of Plan 9 for $100, and providing rudimentary support. -castor >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 28 10:22:46 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34158>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:56:20 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.195]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34151>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:54:46 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:23:58 -0400 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu subject: three button mice Message-Id: <95Jul28.095446edt.34151@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans aux/mouse -dC $mouseport usually does the trick. many three button mice do not respond to aux/mouse's guessing protocol, but you can tell it what to use as the default. on starting the demonstration system, answer `n' when the system asks if you want to enter the window system. once you type the aux/mouse command above, you should be able to move the mouse. you can then enter the window system and enjoy yourself. (while you're there, you can change /rc/bin/termrc to add the -dC option to the aux/mouse commands there.) of course, if you still can't move the mouse, you'll need to try another default. -d isn't documented in the manual page, but that fact is documented somewhere (i can't find it now). perhaps it was in the Errata. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 28 13:40:49 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34150>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:09:06 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34149>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:08:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12763>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:08:35 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Re: AT&T Plan9 announcement In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Jul 1995 02:07:31 EDT." <199507280607.XAA22000@drizzle.Stanford.EDU> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:08:22 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <95Jul28.130835edt.12763@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Castor writes: | The licensing terms are generous | enough that the university community will be included, and yuppies with | too much money on their hands will be able to buy it also. My reading of the licence is that you can't post patches to the net, which surely will limit its popularity. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 28 14:51:11 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34127>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:23:55 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.195]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34262>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:02:16 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:23:19 -0400 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu subject: aux/mouse Message-Id: <95Jul28.140216edt.34262@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>[aux/mouse] -d isn't documented in the manual page, but that fact is >>documented somewhere (i can't find it now). perhaps it was in >>the Errata. and so it was: it's in the diffs for Volume One. available types are C (logitech type C mouse) W (logitech type W mouse) M (Microsoft) Cheap, Worthwhile, and Managers'! >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 28 15:34:07 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34214>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:12:53 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34216>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:57:04 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <2933>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:07:06 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: a82@blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de, plan9-fans@cs.psu.edu Subject: PC-clone hardware Message-Id: <95Jul28.140706edt.2933@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:06:58 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans a82@blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de (Henner Gratz) wrote: > Now, after Plan9 is available for everyone, I plan to order my CD-ROM. > I want to install it on a 486/Pentium PC. Because I don't own such a beast at > the moment, I will have to buy one. And here the problems start. On what > main-boards, graphic-cards etc. Plan9 will run. The WWW-pages on plan9.att.com > aren't very detailed. I have also read the lists spread in the 9fans mailing > list, but they are from 1994 for the old distributions. > > So here's my question: Is there a list covering the new distribution? In Apr/95, jmk@plan9.att.com posted a note about the PC-clone hardware they use at the Labs. I have converted it to html (with the troff2html program on forsyth's ftp site) and put it on http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/ Hopefully this should be useful to others. Once lots of people receive their CDROMs, Please send any updates for the draft FAQ on that page to me. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 28 17:37:32 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34067>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:10:18 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34224>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:35:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12800>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:29:04 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: errata Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:29:04 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <95Jul28.152904edt.12800@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Some of those diffs in the errata are extensive. What's the recommended way to apply them? Copy the files to a unix machine and run patch there? ☹ In lieu of patch, how about anonymous 9p mounts to distibute the up to date files? You can tell the lawyers that only licencees are currently able to retrieve files that way. Works for AFS. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 28 18:00:01 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33979>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:36:18 -0400 Received: from cannon.ecf.toronto.edu ([128.100.8.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34077>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:06:48 -0400 Received: by cannon.ecf.toronto.edu id <3236>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:43:24 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos To: jmk@plan9.att.com Subject: Re: PC-clone hardware Cc: 9fans Message-Id: <95Jul28.164324edt.3236@cannon.ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:43:24 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > an update to my note about our hardware follows Thanks. I've put it on http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/ >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 28 18:52:55 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34050>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 18:34:18 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34092>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 18:19:29 -0400 Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12799>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:36:48 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans Message-Id: <95Jul28.173648edt.12799@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:36:38 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I just installed the second edition on a sparcstation 2 (fs) and some slcs (cpu and term), using essentially the procedure for installing the first edition (no pc required). One problem I see is that the file server complains about bad udp checksums, "scsiintr: not disconnect: status 87 step/intr=418 dma=94000011", status errors from D6.0.1.0 and D6.0.3.0, and check reporting various problems. Has anyone else seen this, or has my old hardware finally gone bad? >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 28 19:10:57 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33981>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 18:50:22 -0400 Received: from ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM ([192.127.251.16]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34017>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 18:28:36 -0400 Received: from ncrgw1 by ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM id aa11037; 28 Jul 95 18:06 EDT Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 28 Jul 95 18:05:15 EDT Received: by ncrhub4.ATTGIS.COM; 28 Jul 95 18:05:05 EDT Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 18:03:39 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncrcae.columbiasc.NCR.COM Full-Name: Mail Router (smail 2.8.1 dl,da,fa,tu,po,qf,dbm 06/12/93 6) Subject: Returned mail To: 9fans Message-ID: <9507281806.aa11037@ncrhub1.ATTGIS.COM> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Executing: /usr/lib/mail/surrcmd/smtpqer -C -u ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM!ncrhub4!ncrgw1!cse.psu.edu!9fans yesac wescott@yesac smtpqer: Binary contents cannot be sent via SMTP server "/usr/lib/mail/surrcmd/smtpqer" failed - unknown mailer error 1 ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From ncrgw1!cse.psu.edu!9fans Fri Jul 28 18:04 EDT 1995 remote from ncrhub4 Received: by ncrhub4.ATTGIS.COM; 28 Jul 95 18:04:43 EDT Received: by ncrgw1.ATTGIS.COM; 28 Jul 95 17:58:28 EDT Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34067>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:10:18 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34224>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:35:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by galapagos.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <12800>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:29:04 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: errata Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:29:04 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <95Jul28.152904edt.12800@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Some of those diffs in the errata are extensive. What's the recommended way to apply them? Copy the files to a unix machine and run patch there? b9 In lieu of patch, how about anonymous 9p mounts to distibute the up to date files? You can tell the lawyers that only licencees are currently able to retrieve files that way. Works for AFS. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 28 22:52:34 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33958>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:26:19 -0400 Received: from access.netaxs.com ([198.69.186.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33943>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:26:01 -0400 Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (grendel@unix5.netaxs.com [198.69.186.7]) by access.netaxs.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA19110 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:25:52 -0400 Received: (grendel@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA04200; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:25:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:25:42 -0400 From: Michael Handler To: 9fans Subject: CFV: comp.os.plan9 moderated Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group comp.os.plan9 *************************************************************************** * NOTE: This is the second CFV of two. If you have already voted and * * received an acknowledgement of your vote in email from the * * votetaker, you *DO* *NOT* need to vote again. If you have any * * questions, ask the votetaker, Michael Handler * *************************************************************************** Newsgroups line: comp.os.plan9 Plan 9 from Bell Labs. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 Aug 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Michael Handler . For questions about the proposed group contact Jim Davis . RATIONALE Plan 9 is a computing system developed at the Computing Science Research Center of AT&T Bell Laboratories. First released in 1990, Plan 9 contains many innovative ideas but is robust enough for production use. There is an active Plan 9 mailing list with several hundred readers. Past releases of Plan 9 could only be licensed by universities. The next release will be available to anyone, and run on a wide range of PCs. This will make running Plan 9 an option for many Usenet readers. A Plan 9 newsgroup would let Plan 9 users help each other, and let anyone interested in current operating system practice learn about Plan 9. CHARTER comp.os.plan9 is a moderated newsgroup for discussion of the Plan 9 operating system from Bell Labs. It's a forum to ask questions and share information about installing, administering, and using Plan 9 systems. The newsgroup will be bidirectionally gatewayed with the Plan 9 mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MODERATORS & MODERATION POLICY Icarus Sparry has volunteered to be moderator; Tim Goodwin has volunteered to be backup moderator. Both are participants on the Plan 9 mailing list. Moderation is intended to keep discussion on charter topics, which we hope will encourage the Plan 9 developers to participate. MAILING LISTS AND GATEWAYS comp.os.plan9 will be bidirectionally gatewayed with the mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu>. DISTRIBUTION This Call For Votes (CFV) has been crossposted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.os.research, comp.os.misc After this Call For Votes (CFV) appears in , it will be sent to the following mailing lists: * Plan 9 mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> HOW TO VOTE One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Attempts at ballot box stuffing or vote fraud will not be treated lightly. ************************************************************************** *** IMPORTANT: Email addresses, names, and votes of all voters will be *** *** published in the final voting results list. UVV voting is not done *** *** by secret ballot. If you don't like this policy, don't vote. *** ************************************************************************** Send email to: Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain ONE (and only ONE) of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.os.plan9 I vote NO on comp.os.plan9 I vote ABSTAIN on comp.os.plan9 I CANCEL my vote on comp.os.plan9 If you vote ABSTAIN, your vote will be registered and will be shown in the final results posting, but it will not affect the outcome of the vote. It is intended as a form of symbolic protest, nothing more. If you CANCEL your vote, all records of your vote will be purged from the active results file, and your name and address will not be listed in the final results posting. ABSTAIN and CANCEL are nearly the same thing -- the only difference is, with ABSTAIN, your name and address are still listed in the final listing. If you later change your mind you may vote again. Only your last valid vote will count and will be published in the final results posting. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledgement by mail -- if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. After the final results are posted to , there will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV The only official sources of this CFV are: * The copy which was crossposted to * Any copies which were sent to mailing lists by the votetaker (and *only* the votetaker) * One received from the votetaker's automated mailserver To obtain a copy of the CFV from the votetaker's mailserver, send an email message to . This is an automated function, so it does not matter what you say in the message. IMPORTANT: If you give anyone copies of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified. Distributing pre-filled in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud. If this occurs on a large scale or causes voting problems or irregularities, the vote may be canceled. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. comp.os.plan9 Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ fabrice@joe Laborie Fabrice gfg@cyberspace.com George F Gould -- Michael Handler Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Usenet Volunteer Votetakers WWW page: >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jul 29 13:29:36 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33960>; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 13:03:04 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33943>; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 13:01:54 -0400 From: rob@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 12:51:53 -0400 Message-Id: <95Jul29.130154edt.33943@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I sense a conspiracy. >From uunet.uu.net!MAILER-DAEMON Sat Jul 29 12:49 From: MAILER-DAEMON@uunet.uu.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 1 day To: The original message was received at Fri, 28 Jul 1995 11:35:29 -0400 from [192.20.225.252] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... Deferred: Connection timed out with infinity.hip.berkeley.edu. Message could not be delivered for 1 day Message will be deleted from queue ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: Received: from plan9.att.com by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzaiw09963; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 11:35:29 -0400 From: rob@plan9.att.com Message-Id: To: plan9-vote@sub-rosa.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:05:17 EDT I vote YES on comp.os.plan9 >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sat Jul 29 15:33:21 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33977>; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 15:08:44 -0400 Received: from optima.cs.arizona.edu ([192.12.69.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33962>; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 15:05:05 -0400 Received: from baskerville.CS.Arizona.EDU by optima.cs.arizona.edu (5.65c/15) via SMTP id AA25358; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 12:01:19 MST Received: (from jdavis@localhost) by baskerville.CS.Arizona.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA22219; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 12:01:19 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 15:01:18 -0400 From: Jim Davis X-Sender: jdavis@baskerville To: 9fans Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <95Jul29.130154edt.33943@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Oh great. It looks like sub-rosa.com has three MX records, and the first two machines are down. But a test message I just sent to the voting address did seem to be accepted by the final mail exchanger machine. Anyone who's having trouble with the voting address, please try again, and let me know. I'll try to alert the votetaker about the problem. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Sun Jul 30 22:08:28 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33984>; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 22:08:18 -0400 Received: from Fox.NSTN.Ca ([137.186.128.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33943>; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 22:07:42 -0400 Received: from [137.186.184.108] (ottawa-ts-08.nstn.ca [137.186.184.108]) by Fox.NSTN.Ca (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA15854 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:07:28 -0300 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:07:26 -0400 From: "Sandy Harris" Message-Id: <89173.sharris@fox.nstn.ca> X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_16 X-POPMail-Charset: English To: 9fans Subject: Plan 9 for Sun 3/60? Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Has Plan 9 been ported to Sun 3s? If so, is the Sun code on the CD? -- Sandy Harris sharris@fox.nstn.ns.ca >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 31 01:35:47 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34024>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:35:34 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33984>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:34:58 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:34:45 +1000 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA02660; Mon, 31 Jul 95 15:34:53 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA05791; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:34:22 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507310534.AA05791@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: three button mice To: 9fans Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:34:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Jul28.095446edt.34151@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> from "forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk" at Jul 28, 95 09:23:58 am Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oE aux/mouse -dC $mouseport > > usually does the trick. many three button mice > do not respond to aux/mouse's guessing protocol, but you can tell it what to > use as the default. Thanks. I found the -d option (with a bit of poking with db - I saw the debug messages, so I guessed there must be a way to turn them on), but I didn't find -C. I found that Logitech mice worked so long as you didn't even look at the beast while it was being prodded by aux/mouse. Does aux/mouse do Mousesystems/Genius mice? I'd thought they were the same as Logitech, but perhaps not (I'll try -C on mine and see what happens). Once I got that going, a great deal of time just disappeared... It's very exciting being faced with a new system where you're not completely lost, but the territory isn't familiar. > -d isn't documented in the manual page, but that fact is > documented somewhere (i can't find it now). perhaps it was in > the Errata. I'll check it out. Thanks again, J >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 31 01:56:49 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34033>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:56:05 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34049>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:54:30 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:52:18 +1000 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA02942; Mon, 31 Jul 95 15:52:19 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA05957; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:51:57 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507310551.AA05957@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: errata To: 9fans Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:51:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Jul28.152904edt.12800@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> from "Scott Schwartz" at Jul 28, 95 03:29:04 pm Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oE In lieu of patch, how about anonymous 9p mounts to distibute the up to > date files? Anyone written a 9p proxy for TIS fwtk? J >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 31 11:35:36 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45995>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:16:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45993>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:15:52 -0400 To: 9fans@daneel.cse.psu.edu Subject: Mailing list drop outs X-uri: X-Work-Address: Department of Computer Science and Engineering 121A Pond Laboratory The Pennsylvania State University University Park, PA 16802 X-Work-Phone: +1 814 863 1142 (Voice) +1 814 865 3176 (FAX) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:15:47 -0400 From: Daniel R Ehrlich Message-Id: <95Jul31.111552edt.45993@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Because of some incorrect permissions these three messages did not get posted to the list. Sorry for the inconvienece. -- Dan ------- Forwarded Messages Matched: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 22:09:11 -0400 Return-Path: majordom-owner Sun Jul 30 22:09:05 1995 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.1.6]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45890>; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 22:08:57 -0400 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33986>; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 22:08:37 -0400 From: Operator To: 9fans-outgoing-owner Message-Id: <95Jul30.220837edt.33986@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 22:08:28 -0400 error: err.nosuchuser: ":include:/home/staff/majordomo/Lists/9fans" - ------- Original Message follows ------- from owner-9fans to 9fans-outgoing to Received: from Fox.NSTN.Ca ([137.186.128.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33943>; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 22:07:42 -0400 Received: from [137.186.184.108] (ottawa-ts-08.nstn.ca [137.186.184.108]) by Fox.NSTN.Ca (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA15854 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:07:28 -0300 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:07:26 -0400 From: "Sandy Harris" Message-Id: <89173.sharris@fox.nstn.ca> X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_16 X-POPMail-Charset: English To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Plan 9 for Sun 3/60? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Has Plan 9 been ported to Sun 3s? If so, is the Sun code on the CD? -- Sandy Harris sharris@fox.nstn.ns.ca ------- Message 2 Matched: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:36:36 -0400 Return-Path: majordom-owner Mon Jul 31 01:36:29 1995 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.1.6]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45899>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:36:20 -0400 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33984>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:35:55 -0400 From: Operator To: 9fans-outgoing-owner Message-Id: <95Jul31.013555edt.33984@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:35:49 -0400 error: err.nosuchuser: ":include:/home/staff/majordomo/Lists/9fans" - ------- Original Message follows ------- from owner-9fans to 9fans-outgoing to Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33984>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:34:58 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:34:45 +1000 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA02660; Mon, 31 Jul 95 15:34:53 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA05791; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:34:22 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507310534.AA05791@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: three button mice To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:34:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Jul28.095446edt.34151@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> from "forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk" at Jul 28, 95 09:23:58 am Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oE aux/mouse -dC $mouseport > > usually does the trick. many three button mice > do not respond to aux/mouse's guessing protocol, but you can tell it what to > use as the default. Thanks. I found the -d option (with a bit of poking with db - I saw the debug messages, so I guessed there must be a way to turn them on), but I didn't find -C. I found that Logitech mice worked so long as you didn't even look at the beast while it was being prodded by aux/mouse. Does aux/mouse do Mousesystems/Genius mice? I'd thought they were the same as Logitech, but perhaps not (I'll try -C on mine and see what happens). Once I got that going, a great deal of time just disappeared... It's very exciting being faced with a new system where you're not completely lost, but the territory isn't familiar. > -d isn't documented in the manual page, but that fact is > documented somewhere (i can't find it now). perhaps it was in > the Errata. I'll check it out. Thanks again, J ------- Message 3 Matched: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:57:38 -0400 Return-Path: majordom-owner Mon Jul 31 01:57:35 1995 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.1.6]) by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45953>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:57:28 -0400 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33986>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:56:59 -0400 From: Operator To: 9fans-outgoing-owner Message-Id: <95Jul31.015659edt.33986@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:56:50 -0400 error: err.nosuchuser: ":include:/home/staff/majordomo/Lists/9fans" - ------- Original Message follows ------- from owner-9fans to 9fans-outgoing to Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34049>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:54:30 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:52:18 +1000 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA02942; Mon, 31 Jul 95 15:52:19 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA05957; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:51:57 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507310551.AA05957@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: errata To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:51:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Jul28.152904edt.12800@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> from "Scott Schwartz" at Jul 28, 95 03:29:04 pm Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oE In lieu of patch, how about anonymous 9p mounts to distibute the up to > date files? Anyone written a 9p proxy for TIS fwtk? J ------- End of Forwarded Messages >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 31 12:11:41 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34042>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:44:21 -0400 Received: from noao.edu ([140.252.1.54]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34041>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:43:46 -0400 Received: from gemini.tuc.noao.edu by noao.edu (4.1/SAG-Noao.G102) id AA13612; Mon, 31 Jul 95 08:43:32 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao by gemini.tuc.noao.edu (4.1/SAG.sat.14) id AA26038; Mon, 31 Jul 95 08:43:31 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao (4.1/SAG.sun.8) id AA25660; Mon, 31 Jul 95 08:43:30 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:43:30 -0400 From: rwolff@noao.edu (Richard Wolff) Message-Id: <9507311543.AA25660@daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao> To: 9fans Subject: Re: Installing on second disk Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I reported problems trying to install plan9 on the second (D:) of a two disk PC while retaining a dos partition there, with the new prep giving an "error 23" mesage. I solved the problem by creating my D: dos partition as an extended, rather than primary, partition and by formatting that partition with format d: /s rather than format d: . I'll guess that the "/s" is what's necessary, even though the D: disk isn't going to be used as a DOS boot disk. Now if I can only get the boot sequence to recognize my ATI ULTRA PRO (which seems to be an entry in the vgadb as well). Richard >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 31 12:51:39 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34041>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:31:43 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.195]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34052>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:27:22 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:13:47 -0400 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu subject: aux/mouse Message-Id: <95Jul31.122722edt.34052@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans i wrote >> aux/mouse -dC $mouseport >> ... and jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au replies: >>Thanks. I found the -d option (with a bit of poking with db - I >>saw the debug messages, so I guessed there must be a way to turn >>them on), but I didn't find -C. I found that Logitech mice worked careful: the C is a parameter to the -d option, so it really is -dC, not -C >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 31 13:29:41 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34076>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:59:06 -0400 Received: from plan9.cs.york.ac.uk ([144.32.32.195]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34051>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:51:50 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:17:32 -0400 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu subject: plan 9 for sun 3/60 Message-Id: <95Jul31.125150edt.34051@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans >>Has Plan 9 been ported to Sun 3s? If so, is the Sun code on the CD? the CD includes support for several systems based on the 680x0 architecture (gnot and next). it does not include a kernel that will run on a Sun. based in part on the existing 68020 support on the CDs, several people ported older versions of Plan 9 to bits of the Sun-3 line. i did one locally for the sun-3/50 and sun-3/60; since i'm still using it, i'll probably do the modest amount of work required to get the new version running. i'm not promising anything though, since i might just buy some PCs instead. >From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 31 14:14:28 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34051>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:46:02 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34087>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:31:09 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Tue, 01 Aug 1995 03:08:38 +1000 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA21161; Tue, 1 Aug 95 03:08:39 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA18305; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 03:08:15 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507311708.AA18305@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: aux/mouse To: 9fans Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:08:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95Jul31.122722edt.34052@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> from "forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk" at Jul 31, 95 12:13:47 pm Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oE >>Thanks. I found the -d option (with a bit of poking with db - I > >>saw the debug messages, so I guessed there must be a way to turn > >>them on), but I didn't find -C. I found that Logitech mice worked > > careful: the C is a parameter to the -d option, so it really > is -dC, not -C Um, yes. My mention of -d was a thinko: I found -D, but not -d:. -dC seems to work on all the 3 button mice I have there. J