From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 01:25:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 01:25:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4129 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 01:25:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4125 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 01:25:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 01:25:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE60D19ABA; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:25:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from elvandar (196-31-57-60.jnb6.dial.uunet.co.za [196.31.57.60]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E10A919AB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:24:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mithrandi by elvandar with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18IAR3-00010p-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:25:41 +0200 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20021130162539.GA3878@elvandar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Tristan Seligmann Subject: [9fans] EGA graphics card Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:25:39 +0200 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Is it possible to use Plan9 with one of these? mithrandi --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE96OaDSg0wXtNfR88RAkgZAJsFb6WHlWBESlHE0aT+A5Nn3Xd18ACfaCK0 h+9DacH5YF2TTj+F60mEbJM= =51xF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 01:28:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 01:28:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4176 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 01:28:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4172 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 01:28:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 01:28:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CEDFB19ABE; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:28:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 58BAC19AA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAUGR978014406 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:27:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:42:11 -0500 > If those IDE drivers are IBM 120GXPs, have you checked > the warranty doesn't preclude 24 7 working? They are WD. I had read disturbing stats about Fujitsu drives failure rates but not IBM's. The Fujitsu story is here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/63/27926.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 01:30:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 01:30:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4199 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 01:30:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4195 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 01:30:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 01:30:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 615DF19AC1; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:30:15 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F02219AA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sat Nov 30 11:29:05 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Sat Nov 30 11:29:04 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] EGA graphics card From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:29:01 -0500 Only in text mode, which is useful for file servers or cpu servers, but not for interactive use (e.g., terminals). Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 01:39:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 01:39:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4300 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 01:39:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4296 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 01:39:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 01:39:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7D2719ABD; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:39:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 922DC19AAE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 200.1.1.51 ([200.1.1.51]) by doppio; Sat Nov 30 16:40:36 GMT 2002 From: "Nigel Roles" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: Normal Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:38:15 -0000 For IBM 120GXPs: http://www.sudhian.com/docs.cfm/id/97.sud -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu]On Behalf Of Skip Tavakkolian Sent: 30 November 2002 13:42 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] fs hardware configuration > If those IDE drivers are IBM 120GXPs, have you checked > the warranty doesn't preclude 24 7 working? They are WD. I had read disturbing stats about Fujitsu drives failure rates but not IBM's. The Fujitsu story is here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/63/27926.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 03:01:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 03:01:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5239 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 03:01:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5235 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 03:01:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 03:01:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD9EB19AC4; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:01:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8ED719ABB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2FC37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 545DD256; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:00:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:00:27 -0500 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Message-ID: <20021130180027.GA68291@mero.morphisms.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 08:42:11AM -0500, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > If those IDE drivers are IBM 120GXPs, have you checked > > the warranty doesn't preclude 24 7 working? > > They are WD. I had read disturbing stats about Fujitsu drives > failure rates but not IBM's. The Fujitsu story is here: All the manufacturers have had their problems with particular models. The 120GXPs (I think) from IBM definitely had major problems and Fujitsu has had trouble, too. Western Digital seems to be known in the industry for very poor QA; it has been a long time since I've used WD drives, but I did have quite a bit of trouble when I last used them. I'm not sure what to conclude other than "be paranoid if you care about what is on the disk" :-/ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 07:25:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 07:25:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8140 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 07:25:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8136 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 07:25:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 07:25:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E20A19AC5; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:25:16 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from yahoo.com (unknown [211.161.113.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 8703C199A3; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO symail.kustanai.co.kr) (54.162.85.115) by rly-xw01.otpalo.com with asmtp; 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Sun Dec 1 11:44:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11241 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 11:44:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11237 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 11:44:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 11:44:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8BE4719AC6; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:44:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4B84919981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 40576 invoked by uid 18927); 1 Dec 2002 02:36:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 02:36:41 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20021130193022.G34722-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] who wrote this? admit immediately! :) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:36:41 -0700 (MST) http://docs.rinet.ru:8083/LomamVse/ch21/ch21.htm whoever wrote this has a pretty good idea of P9 (second release).. i find it hard to believe that such knowledgeable person would be completely disassociated from our little 'clique' we've got here :) hmm. i read the book in 1999.. for some reason it didn't impress me much then but re-reading this chapter now seems to make a bit more sense andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 11:56:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 11:56:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11480 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 11:56:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11476 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 11:56:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 11:56:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0EC1B19AC9; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:56:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (unknown [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F89019ABF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:55:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7bcb2d4eb3f790c41a5ce3f912024ccf@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who wrote this? admit immediately! :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:55:07 -0500 "In fact, Plan 9 possesses few user-friendly features." From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 12:02:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 12:02:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11635 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 12:02:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11631 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 12:02:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 12:02:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D35619ACB; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:02:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1421019ACE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 40598 invoked by uid 18927); 1 Dec 2002 02:54:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 02:54:44 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who wrote this? admit immediately! :) In-Reply-To: <7bcb2d4eb3f790c41a5ce3f912024ccf@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <20021130195209.B34722-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:54:44 -0700 (MST) this book was not written for dinosaurs or curmudgeons, methinks, but rather for script kiddies.. On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > "In fact, Plan 9 possesses few user-friendly features." > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 21:54:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 21:54:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21313 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 21:54:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21308 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 21:54:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 21:54:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C3D419AD2; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:54:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF3C619AD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/ic) with ESMTP id gB1CrXel061839 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:53:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup11.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.26]) by kp.km.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20712 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:53:29 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120114533700.00580@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] UNIX to Plan 9 command translation Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:53:37 -0500 Here is the list of some UNIX commands, which you can emulate in Plan 9 system: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/UNIX_to_Plan_9_command_translation -kyxap From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 21:54:48 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 21:54:48 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21322 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 21:54:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21318 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 21:54:48 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 21:54:48 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0BDE19AD6; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:54:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF59519AD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/ic) with ESMTP id gB1Crael061842 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:53:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup11.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.26]) by kp.km.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20716 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:53:32 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who wrote this? admit immediately! :) X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20021130193022.G34722-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> In-Reply-To: <20021130193022.G34722-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120114573101.00580@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:57:31 -0500 if you want terrible russian translation for this book, here you are: http://yanich.boom.ru/max_sec/ch21.htm -kyxap > http://docs.rinet.ru:8083/LomamVse/ch21/ch21.htm > > whoever wrote this has a pretty good idea of P9 (second release).. i find > it hard to believe that such knowledgeable person would be completely > disassociated from our little 'clique' we've got here :) > > hmm. i read the book in 1999.. for some reason it didn't impress me much > then but re-reading this chapter now seems to make a bit more sense > > andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 00:25:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 00:25:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23874 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 00:25:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23870 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 00:25:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 00:25:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D185119AD3; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:25:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.13]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51E4E19ABF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 51131064 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 10:24:18 -0500 From: "Adrian" To: "9fans" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] 9Term settings Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:26:36 -0500 My name is Adrian, and I am a plan9-aholic. I`m also sys admin for a very large web hosting company.\ Most of my time is spent ssh`d through a terminal to various BSDi/FreeBSD/Linux servers. After adding Plan9 to my work station I find I can`t set 9term to place nice with the other systems. I get errors about no settings for 9-term. My Question is how can I run plan9 and still communicate properly. Currently I can connect and type but can`t use programs such as vi. Any thoughts, comments or suggestions greatly appreciated. Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 00:30:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 00:30:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23905 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 00:30:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23901 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 00:30:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 00:30:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9AD9199A3; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:30:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6DCD519AD8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:29:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <545aebb580d9f02c8d468017384281b3@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: nowayjose@fake.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9Term settings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:29:55 -0500 Run vt before you connect to the other system. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 00:47:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 00:47:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24079 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 00:47:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24075 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 00:47:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 00:47:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF10F19ADD; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:47:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68FE719AD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:46:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] (no subject) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:46:48 -0500 interesting though unfair to click and clack http://dir.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/05/cov_12feature.html http://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/1998/05/13/feature/index.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 05:24:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 05:24:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26310 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 05:24:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26306 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 05:24:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 05:24:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA64219AE3; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:24:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F116B19AE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1KNS78023945 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:23:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <032657202f3c2a888b492f4409f6f7b1@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:38:26 -0500 > interesting though unfair to click and clack Did she say something about the Tappet Brothers? I missed it. I guess this would not be a good time to suggest fswiz, the filesystem wizard? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 05:32:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 05:32:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26347 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 05:32:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26343 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 05:32:36 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 05:32:36 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 737A619AE8; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:32:27 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from workbench.borf.com (borf.com [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2EC519AE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:31:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: bwc@coraid.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:33:17 -0500 I think it was the comment about auto mechanic. Time was a mechanic could make a machine. Now they just replace what the computer tell them to. Brantley From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 09:32:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 09:32:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28925 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 09:32:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28921 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 09:32:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 09:32:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 409A619AE0; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:32:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4F2C819AD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21137 invoked by uid 991); 2 Dec 2002 00:31:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20021202003141.21136.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9Term settings In-Reply-To: Message from "Adrian" of "Sun, 01 Dec 2002 10:26:36 EST." From: Scott Schwartz Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 19:31:40 -0500 | My name is Adrian, and I am a plan9-aholic. | I`m also sys admin for a very large web hosting company.\ | Most of my time is spent ssh`d through a terminal to various | BSDi/FreeBSD/Linux servers. After adding Plan9 to my work station | I find I can`t set 9term to place nice with the other systems. | I get errors about no settings for 9-term. You can add an entry to termcap or terminfo, or just tell unix you are using a terminal named "dumb". | My Question is how can I run plan9 and still communicate | properly. Currently I can connect and type but can`t use | programs such as vi. Any thoughts, comments or suggestions | greatly appreciated. Use sam instead of vi! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 13:53:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 13:53:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8414 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 13:53:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8410 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 13:53:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 13:53:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C26119AE5; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:53:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from edoras.nas.com (edoras.nas.com [206.63.100.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6279A19AE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from max2-d90.nas.com (max2-d90.nas.com [206.63.102.219]) by edoras.nas.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7C0EB5C4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:52:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [9fans] dynamic loading, was "Ugly Q, I admit" From: Jack Johnson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Message-Id: <1038804769.1189.2.camel@ketchup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: 01 Dec 2002 20:52:48 -0800 On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 01:49, okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > are not using, and expect fast booting when we need it. I choose Plan 9 definitly > than Windows or Unices from this point (other reasons are also there though). Is anyone booting Plan 9 terminals over 802.11b? (Is that even possible yet?) If so, are there any caveats or gotchas someone attempting this should watch out for? -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 16:38:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 16:38:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14467 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 16:38:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14463 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 16:38:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 16:38:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D30C19AD7; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:38:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6B9F619AE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76942 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 07:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 07:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 07:37:42 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id gB27bVv342238; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:37:41 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <785eb3f2ae5c4e9e417bb6b13942f920@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:37:31 +0900 I am running a 3rd ed. auth server obtaining its root fs from a floppy disk. In the attempt to upgrade my plan 9 network to 4th ed. system, this is the last machine remaining that runs 3rd ed. system and I am planning to upgrade this to 4th ed. based floppy served stand alone auth server. So, could you give me outlines about the 4th ed. auth server, like boot sequence, changes impacted by factotum, or something. Thank you. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 16:50:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 16:50:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15070 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 16:50:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15065 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 16:50:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 16:50:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D0F419AF5; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:50:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F50019AF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB27nPx8027545 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:49:29 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB27nOD0027544 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:49:24 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server Message-ID: <20021202094923.H22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <785eb3f2ae5c4e9e417bb6b13942f920@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <785eb3f2ae5c4e9e417bb6b13942f920@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp>; from YAMANASHI Takeshi on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:37:31PM +0900 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:49:23 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:37:31PM +0900, YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: > > I am running a 3rd ed. auth server obtaining > its root fs from a floppy disk. > Valiant! > So, could you give me outlines about the > 4th ed. auth server, like boot sequence, > changes impacted by factotum, or something. > I'd be very curious as to what that floppy contains. I had been considering trimming the distribution down to bare essentials for an auth server, but never got adventurous enough. I can suggest that you'll have a bigger kernel (add factotum) and that you'll need access to the secure store with the associated auth/secstored. Other than that, my guess is that you will merely need 4ed versions of the 3ed utilities you are presently using. Others may be more authoritative. If you're willing to list the contents of the floppy you use, I would certainly be grateful. A "proto" file would be wonderful. Note that crypt functions are slow on the 486SX/25 host I use for 4ed (and 3ed _and_ 2ed!!) authentication, so you may want to take that into consideration. The floppy drive would make this slower, but ramfs may be the way to speed things up if you have enough memory. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 17:06:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 17:06:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15666 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 17:06:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15662 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 17:06:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 17:06:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E5AC119AFB; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:06:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4284419AEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79250 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 08:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 08:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 08:05:17 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id gB285Gv285233; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:05:16 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <850f05e346d014be5db03a148993b4bd@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:05:16 +0900 Thank you, Lucio. I use two floppies for the auth serv. One for kernel, and the other for fs. Both are DOS formatted floppies. Attached at the end of this mail is the output of `du -a' of the fs floppy. > The floppy drive would make this slower, > but ramfs may be the way to speed things up if you have enough > memory. It seems that dossrv is serving as an cache mechanism. 1 ./plan9.nvr 79 ./386/init 124 ./386/bin/rc 29 ./386/bin/cat 46 ./386/bin/echo 61 ./386/bin/ls 51 ./386/bin/ps 36 ./386/bin/date 86 ./386/bin/ip/ipconfig 86 ./386/bin/ip 122 ./386/bin/ndb/cs 122 ./386/bin/ndb 95 ./386/bin/aux/listen 95 ./386/bin/aux 94 ./386/bin/auth/keyfs 85 ./386/bin/auth/changeuser 126 ./386/bin/auth/auth.srv 305 ./386/bin/auth 955 ./386/bin 1034 ./386 1 ./adm/timezone/local 1 ./adm/timezone 1 ./adm/keys 1 ./adm/keys.who 3 ./adm 0 ./bin 1 ./rc/bin/cpurc (*) 0 ./rc/bin/service 1 ./rc/bin/service.auth/il565 1 ./rc/bin/service.auth/il566 1 ./rc/bin/service.auth/tcp567 3 ./rc/bin/service.auth 4 ./rc/bin 1 ./rc/lib/rcmain 1 ./rc/lib 5 ./rc 1 ./lib/namespace 1 ./lib/ndb/local 1 ./lib/ndb/auth 2 ./lib/ndb 3 ./lib 0 ./mnt/keys/nashi 0 ./mnt/keys 0 ./mnt 1046 . -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 21:54:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 21:54:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22205 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 21:54:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22201 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 21:54:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 21:54:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54FD719AF8; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:54:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 349C619B12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18InLx-0003z8-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:59:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Robin KAY Message-ID: <3DE8946D.F42985AC@myrealbox.com> Organization: www.gekkou.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200211271811.gARIBWw00341@augusta.math.psu.edu>, Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 VM for Windows/Linux? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:58:53 GMT Doc Shipley wrote: > Only if you're a fan of x86's "backward-compatible-forever" > philosophy. I'm looking forward to seeing an AMD processor that isn't > saddled with all of Intel's cruft. But it is, the Hammer/Opteron will be fully compatible with the 32 bit Intel Architecture. 64 bit addressing and the extended register set will be enabled by a mode bit. The AA64 architecture is only a slight variation on IA32 anyway. -- Wishing you good fortune, --Robin Kay-- (komadori) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 21:54:46 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 21:54:46 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22214 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 21:54:46 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22210 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 21:54:46 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 21:54:46 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B90E19AFD; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:54:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F1AA19B0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18InMj-00041h-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:59:49 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Jeff Sickel Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Subject: [9fans] audio support for T23 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:59:05 GMT Does anyone know how to get a ThinkPad T23 audio support working? I've checked the plan9.ini manpage for each option, but have not been able to get the machine to recognize the audio device. thanks, jas From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 21:55:14 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 21:55:14 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22222 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 21:55:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22218 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 21:55:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 21:55:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A611919B0C; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:54:19 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from wintermute.cse.psu.edu (wintermute.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A265A19AFA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from aquamar.escet.urjc.es (plan9.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.205]) by wintermute.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server (Backup MX)) with ESMTP id 9270973CB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:53:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who wrote this? admit immediately! :) From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:36:04 +0100 > "In fact, Plan 9 possesses few user-friendly features." That's true. Just remember that Plan 9 is very selective about who's considered a friend ☺. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:02:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:02:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22345 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:02:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22341 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:02:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:02:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E687C19B08; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:02:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7D7E19B00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 08:01:41 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 08:01:40 EST 2002 Message-ID: <95a0c324a5a28861520ed4f868b3ab6e@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] audio support for T23 From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:01:37 -0500 > Does anyone know how to get a ThinkPad T23 audio support working? > I've checked the plan9.ini manpage for each option, but have not > been able to get the machine to recognize the audio device. there's no driver. sorry. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:04:12 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:04:12 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22361 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:04:12 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22357 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:04:11 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:04:11 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 95EF219B11; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:04:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47F1B19B0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB28XUx8027652 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:33:32 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB28XSOr027651 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:33:28 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server Message-ID: <20021202103326.J22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <850f05e346d014be5db03a148993b4bd@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <850f05e346d014be5db03a148993b4bd@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp>; from YAMANASHI Takeshi on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 05:05:16PM +0900 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:33:26 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 05:05:16PM +0900, YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: > > I use two floppies for the auth serv. > One for kernel, and the other for fs. In two floppy drives, I presume. Pity that 2.88M floppies never became common. But then we'd find ways to exceed their capacity :-) > Both are DOS formatted floppies. > Attached at the end of this mail is > the output of `du -a' of the fs floppy. > Thank you. I think I'll post a "proto" file to the wiki, this has bugged me for a long time. > It seems that dossrv is serving as an cache mechanism. > Hm, interesting. I never considered that, but there are lots of little things in Plan 9 that keep surprising me. > 1 ./plan9.nvr > 79 ./386/init > 124 ./386/bin/rc > 29 ./386/bin/cat > 46 ./386/bin/echo > 61 ./386/bin/ls > 51 ./386/bin/ps > 36 ./386/bin/date > 86 ./386/bin/ip/ipconfig > 86 ./386/bin/ip I think you'll get away without ip and ip/ipconfig as /ipconfig should be built into the kernel. /rc/bin/cpurc will need to be adjusted. > 122 ./386/bin/ndb/cs > 122 ./386/bin/ndb > 95 ./386/bin/aux/listen > 95 ./386/bin/aux > 94 ./386/bin/auth/keyfs > 85 ./386/bin/auth/changeuser > 126 ./386/bin/auth/auth.srv > 305 ./386/bin/auth > 955 ./386/bin > 1034 ./386 > 1 ./adm/timezone/local > 1 ./adm/timezone > 1 ./adm/keys > 1 ./adm/keys.who > 3 ./adm > 0 ./bin > 1 ./rc/bin/cpurc (*) Did you forget some comments here? > 0 ./rc/bin/service > 1 ./rc/bin/service.auth/il565 > 1 ./rc/bin/service.auth/il566 > 1 ./rc/bin/service.auth/tcp567 > 3 ./rc/bin/service.auth > 4 ./rc/bin > 1 ./rc/lib/rcmain > 1 ./rc/lib > 5 ./rc > 1 ./lib/namespace > 1 ./lib/ndb/local + /lib/ndb/common - I think that appeared in 3ed, but maybe you don't need it. > 1 ./lib/ndb/auth > 2 ./lib/ndb > 3 ./lib > 0 ./mnt/keys/nashi > 0 ./mnt/keys > 0 ./mnt > 1046 . > Sounds excellent, I must give it a try. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:10:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:10:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22432 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:10:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22428 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B241F19B14; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:10:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (unknown [193.147.71.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 509EC19B13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from nanonic.hilbert.space (mail@A202E34.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.204]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18357 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:28:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: gsyc.escet.urjc.es: Host mail@A202E34.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.204] claimed to be nanonic.hilbert.space Received: from paurea by nanonic.hilbert.space with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18IokS-0000Jk-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 12:28:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15851.17368.479996.209668@nanonic.hilbert.space> From: paurea@gsyc.escet.urjc.es To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disabling the cursor In-Reply-To: <8f06b189eb40e66a36e60fddc4ecae10@plan9.escet.urjc.es>:paurea@plan9.escet.urjc.es's message of 18:08:49 Friday,29 November 2002 References: <8f06b189eb40e66a36e60fddc4ecae10@plan9.escet.urjc.es> X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:28:24 +0100 I have a machine here. I haven't installed it, but vgactl says it has a mach64xx and isn't using hw blanking. In it the hw cursor keeps showing even though the screen is blank. (the monitor is a CRT). I have seen it before in a SuperSavage (LCD panel), don't know in which conditions, and other machines. -- Saludos, Gorka "Curiosity sKilled the cat" From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:17:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:17:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22537 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:17:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22532 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:17:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:17:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 372D919B18; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:17:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA0AA19AFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 08:16:49 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 08:16:48 EST 2002 Message-ID: <525359b472178cd3ba2aa6417393ab32@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disabling the cursor From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:16:45 -0500 > I have a machine here. I haven't installed it, but vgactl says it has > a mach64xx and isn't using hw blanking. In it the hw cursor keeps > showing even though the screen is blank. (the monitor is a CRT). I > have seen it before in a SuperSavage (LCD panel), don't know in which > conditions, and other machines. Right, if the card isn't using hw blanking, then the cursor will remain on the screen. We actually thought that was nice, when it happened, because it was a good indicator that the monitor wasn't really off. If you want to turn the cursor off, the right place to do it is /sys/src/9/port/devdraw.c:/^drawblankscreen, rather than in the various VGA drivers. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:19:12 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:19:12 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22558 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:19:12 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22554 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:19:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:19:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D02119B1C; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:19:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DA0619B1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 08:18:36 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 08:18:35 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:18:32 -0500 >> 0 ./mnt/keys/nashi what's this? the directories under /mnt/keys should be provided by keyfs rather than be in the on-disk file system. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:30:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:30:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22734 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:30:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22730 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:30:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:30:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13E7E19B20; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:30:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 99C8619B1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB2DTXx8028172 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:29:34 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB2DTVsm028171 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:29:31 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server Message-ID: <20021202152928.R22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Russ Cox on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 08:18:32AM -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:29:29 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 08:18:32AM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > >> 0 ./mnt/keys/nashi > > what's this? the directories under /mnt/keys > should be provided by keyfs rather than > be in the on-disk file system. It's a "du -a" so it's likely to have been picked up as a live entry. I think that makes sense. I do have a few more issues to bring up, though. 1. "init" seems to exist only in /$cputype, not /$cputype/bin. I should imagine it ought to stay right there. 2. "netkeys" are missing. I'm assuming they should be included. 3. I'd like to add timesync at least and a few entries in /sys/log, but I suspect these are going to blow the floppy. Any chance of adding fixed-length circular files to Plan 9? ++L PS: Still working on setting things up. I'm pleased this issue has arisen, it's been with me for quite a long time. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:41:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:41:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22912 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:41:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22908 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:41:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:41:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 579D019B1D; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:41:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from aquamar.escet.urjc.es (plan9.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F64A19AE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:40:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:31:57 +0100 > Also, are the idefs changes (dorman/geoff/nemo) in the latest > distribution? Yes, they're. Our local fs is now the one distributed. We recompiled and booted the resulting binary just to be sure. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:53:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:53:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23157 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:53:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23153 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:53:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:53:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04CB419ACA; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:53:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B226E19ACA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:52:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40a0e3a873ca9468d3a2c51f52ea7682@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] audio support for T23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:51:58 +0100 I've a port down in my to-do list. But it's still too down to count on it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 23:23:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 23:23:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23621 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 23:23:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23617 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 23:23:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 23:23:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A484E19B24; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:23:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70EA619B13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB2ELux8028254 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:21:59 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB2ELsP5028253 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:21:54 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Message-ID: <20021202162152.S22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Fco.J.Ballesteros on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:57AM +0100 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:21:52 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:57AM +0100, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > > > Also, are the idefs changes (dorman/geoff/nemo) in the latest > > distribution? > > Yes, they're. Our local fs is now the one distributed. > We recompiled and booted the resulting binary just to be sure. With or without the "allow/disallow" commands? I disabled the former, left the latter because I feel more comfortable that way. But what is the released standard? ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 23:26:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 23:26:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23658 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 23:26:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23654 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 23:26:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 23:26:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B10719B0B; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:26:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C736B19999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccs.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/(ccn-5)) with SMTP id gB2EPIgp022130 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:25:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 18903 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 07:25:18 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO carotid.ccs.lanl.gov) (128.165.148.162) by 128.165.148.1 with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 07:25:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 12260 invoked by uid 3499); 2 Dec 2002 07:25:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 07:25:18 -0700 From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@carotid.ccs.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server In-Reply-To: <785eb3f2ae5c4e9e417bb6b13942f920@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:25:18 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: > I am running a 3rd ed. auth server obtaining > its root fs from a floppy disk. I would sure like to learn how to do this, so I can make an auth server that is entirely FLASH-based. Are there hints for guys like me with little time, or even just a floppy image :-) ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 23:27:13 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 23:27:13 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23672 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 23:27:13 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23668 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 23:27:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 23:27:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73E191998A; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:27:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D26219B13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccs.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/(ccn-5)) with SMTP id gB2EQHgp022362 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:26:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 18906 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 07:26:16 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO carotid.ccs.lanl.gov) (128.165.148.162) by 128.165.148.1 with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 07:26:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 12264 invoked by uid 3499); 2 Dec 2002 07:26:16 -0700 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 07:26:16 -0700 From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@carotid.ccs.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server In-Reply-To: <850f05e346d014be5db03a148993b4bd@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:26:16 -0700 (MST) would it be possible to put an 'auth filesytem' image somewhere as a prototype? I have 8 MB in flash so serving this up would be easy ... ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 23:28:14 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 23:28:14 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23689 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 23:28:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23685 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 23:28:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 23:28:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1699219B2C; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:28:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A411119B28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:27:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <22c463510631709b16d3fcc89dd6dad6@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:27:51 +0100 >> Yes, they're. Our local fs is now the one distributed. >> We recompiled and booted the resulting binary just to be sure. > > With or without the "allow/disallow" commands? I disabled the former, > left the latter because I feel more comfortable that way. But what is > the released standard? With them in place. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 23:41:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 23:41:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23840 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 23:41:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23836 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 23:41:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 23:41:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED7E319B25; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:41:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E84519B28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB2EeLx8028314 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:40:22 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB2EeJkG028313 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:40:19 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Message-ID: <20021202164018.T22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <22c463510631709b16d3fcc89dd6dad6@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <22c463510631709b16d3fcc89dd6dad6@plan9.escet.urjc.es>; from Fco.J.Ballesteros on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:27:51PM +0100 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:40:18 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:27:51PM +0100, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > > > > With or without the "allow/disallow" commands? I disabled the former, > > left the latter because I feel more comfortable that way. But what is > > the released standard? > > With them in place. I would recommend re-enabling the password prompt by default, then. It's better than a totally exposed file server. Nemo, I seem to have lost my carefully concocted /sys/src/fs source tree. You had a rather distinguished Spanish name for your server, could you jolt my memory, help me find the lost details? Thanks. Lucio. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 23:49:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 23:49:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24048 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 23:49:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24044 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 23:49:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 23:49:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 200C019B2E; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:49:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 62CF519B29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:48:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <870d3f36e2e782bdd88e015b3795cf17@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qmrkexsawljneasxlquuqfovdw" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:48:17 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qmrkexsawljneasxlquuqfovdw Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I would recommend re-enabling the password prompt by default, then. > It's better than a totally exposed file server. Our fs is at my office, which I consider secure. > I seem to have lost my carefully concocted /sys/src/fs source tree. > You had a rather distinguished Spanish name for your server, could Our fs is called "sargazos". Drop me a line if I can help somehow. hth --upas-qmrkexsawljneasxlquuqfovdw Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Mon Dec 2 15:41:19 MET 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED7E319B25; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:41:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E84519B28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB2EeLx8028314 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:40:22 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB2EeJkG028313 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:40:19 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Message-ID: <20021202164018.T22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <22c463510631709b16d3fcc89dd6dad6@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <22c463510631709b16d3fcc89dd6dad6@plan9.escet.urjc.es>; from Fco.J.Ballesteros on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:27:51PM +0100 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:40:18 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:27:51PM +0100, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > > > > With or without the "allow/disallow" commands? I disabled the former, > > left the latter because I feel more comfortable that way. But what is > > the released standard? > > With them in place. I would recommend re-enabling the password prompt by default, then. It's better than a totally exposed file server. Nemo, I seem to have lost my carefully concocted /sys/src/fs source tree. You had a rather distinguished Spanish name for your server, could you jolt my memory, help me find the lost details? Thanks. Lucio. --upas-qmrkexsawljneasxlquuqfovdw-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 06:12:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 06:12:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27466 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 06:12:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27462 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 06:12:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 06:12:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D40CE199E8; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:12:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D86119A2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 16:11:05 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.233.227 ([141.154.233.227]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 16:11:04 EST 2002 Message-ID: <27cbca506ebe0278a91bbad5d15ae82c@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:11:02 -0500 > 3. I'd like to add timesync at least and a few entries in /sys/log, > but I suspect these are going to blow the floppy. Any chance of > adding fixed-length circular files to Plan 9? why bother putting them on disk? you could modify /sys/src/lib9p/ramfs.c to do what you want. then in cpurc you can do logfs -m /sys/log for(i in timesync dns cs auth ...) >/sys/log/$i russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 07:37:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 07:37:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28206 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 07:37:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28202 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 07:37:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 07:37:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E6FF199E4; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:37:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from hotmail.com (unknown [194.230.101.60]) by mail.cse.psu.edu 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(adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7891819991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:41:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2164594fc78d308ded03c443085e76ca@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:40:40 -0800 Strictly speaking, it's my local fs kernel (which includes code from forsyth via nigel and IDE support derived from nemo's) that's now distributed. I updated fs(8) and fsconfig(8), so you can see what's new. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 10:40:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 10:40:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32143 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 10:40:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32139 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 10:40:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 10:40:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88BFB199EE; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:40:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C5BC2199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33788 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 01:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 01:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 01:39:55 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id gB31dsv345655; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:39:54 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:39:50 +0900 > > >> 0 ./mnt/keys/nashi > > what's this? the directories under /mnt/keys Russ is right. It was just mistakenly created during my try and error cycle. > 2. "netkeys" are missing. I'm assuming they should be included. I create `/mnt/netkeys'. Its meaning is not clear enough to me. I placed my file system floppy image (DOS format) on http://p9c.cc.titech.ac.jp/plan9/tmp/mandos.3rd.fs.fd Modify /bin/cpurc and /lib/ndb/local on the floppy before the use. Also, you will need another floppy or something to load 9pccpu kernel. Answer `local!fd0' to `root is from' question. Thank you for all your kind suggestions and hope this gives a good start. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 11:10:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 11:10:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 617 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 11:10:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 613 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 11:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 11:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1348199DD; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:10:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EB798199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([61.211.131.19]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 11:09:18 JST 2002 Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Kenji Arisawa To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021202162152.S22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Message-Id: <400A7402-0651-11D7-9E52-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:53:26 +0900 Hello, >With or without the "allow/disallow" commands? I disabled the former, >left the latter because I feel more comfortable that way. I might asking too much... I would like to have allow command that allows limited users, i.e., allow bootes arisawa Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 11:32:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 11:32:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1430 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 11:32:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1426 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 11:32:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 11:32:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA1E119ABD; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:32:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (unknown [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F3FE19A2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 21:31:53 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.233.29 ([141.154.233.29]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 21:31:51 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:31:49 -0500 > I create `/mnt/netkeys'. Its meaning is not clear enough to me. There are two key databases -- keys and netkeys. Keys is the usual database used by Plan 9, while netkeys is typically a secondary database tracking people who use hardware DES-based SecureNet authenticators like the ones from Digital Pathways (now some other name, I'm sure), You don't need netkeys if you're not using hardware boxes. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 13:27:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 13:27:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5677 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 13:27:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5673 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 13:27:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 13:27:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65A8719A08; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:27:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BAEF19A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB34QUx8000630 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:26:32 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB34QSYf000628 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:26:28 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server Message-ID: <20021203062623.W22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <27cbca506ebe0278a91bbad5d15ae82c@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <27cbca506ebe0278a91bbad5d15ae82c@plan9.bell-labs.com>; from Russ Cox on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:11:02PM -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:26:24 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:11:02PM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > why bother putting them on disk? > you could modify /sys/src/lib9p/ramfs.c > to do what you want. then in cpurc you can do > > logfs -m /sys/log > for(i in timesync dns cs auth ...) > >/sys/log/$i > Excellent idea. I'll definitely look into it. If I get anywhere with it, I'll let 9fans know. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 13:53:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 13:53:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6536 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 13:53:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6532 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 13:53:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 13:53:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3A4C19AD2; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:53:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1226E19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB34qEx8000676 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:52:16 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB34qCk6000675 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:52:12 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server Message-ID: <20021203065211.X22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Russ Cox on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:49PM -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:52:11 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:49PM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > You don't need netkeys if you're not using hardware boxes. > I may be getting this wrong, but isn't it useful for connections from foreign hosts? Like telnet and FTP, for example? ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 14:07:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 14:07:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7512 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 14:07:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7508 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 14:07:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 14:07:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBECB19AD3; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:07:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (unknown [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB5D719A0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 3 00:06:08 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.233.29 ([141.154.233.29]) by plan9; Tue Dec 3 00:06:07 EST 2002 Message-ID: <20c57405f33c034344ecdfd4767f820f@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:06:03 -0500 > I may be getting this wrong, but isn't it useful for connections > from foreign hosts? Like telnet and FTP, for example? There's nothing magical about the name netkeys. It's just convention that Plan 9 (password-based) keys are stored in /mnt/keys whereas hardware-based keys are stored in /mnt/netkeys. When you use netkey (see passwd(1)), you are simulating a SecureNet box but with a password, so /mnt/keys is the relevant database. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 16:41:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 16:41:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12653 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 16:41:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12649 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 16:41:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 16:41:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 30B6319A26; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:41:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8338319A04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB37dox8000897 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:39:50 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB37dnGQ000896 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:39:49 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20021203093948.A22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Subject: [9fans] Here's a curious one... Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:39:48 +0200 I think the Plan 9 release I'm running is pretty much up to date, probably no more than a month old... I get: term% cd BIN term% ls -l term% cd .. term% ls -l BIN d-rwxrwxrwx M 34 bill trog 0 Sep 18 18:36 BIN/AUTH d-rwxrwxrwx M 34 bill trog 0 Sep 18 15:54 BIN/AUX --rw-rw-rw- M 34 bill trog 29642 Sep 18 16:07 BIN/CAT --rw-rw-rw- M 34 bill trog 36142 Sep 18 15:15 BIN/DATE --rw-rw-rw- M 34 bill trog 46726 Sep 18 15:10 BIN/ECHO d-rwxrwxrwx M 34 bill trog 0 Sep 18 22:19 BIN/IP --rw-rw-rw- M 34 bill trog 61823 Sep 18 18:36 BIN/LS d-rwxrwxrwx M 34 bill trog 0 Sep 18 15:57 BIN/NDB --rw-rw-rw- M 34 bill trog 52117 Sep 18 19:45 BIN/PS --rw-rw-rw- M 34 bill trog 126945 Sep 18 13:38 BIN/RC after installing the auth FS. I wonder where (seemingly) dossrv is going wrong. The NS entry: mount '#s/dos' /n/temp /tmp/mandos.3rd.fs.fd doesn't seem likely to be wrong :-) ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 16:54:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 16:54:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13037 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 16:54:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13033 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 16:54:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 16:54:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5E77199F2; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:54:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C408119A27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60427 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 07:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 07:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 07:53:24 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id gB37rKv380936; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:53:24 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <0ef0997565c7bc7bcfa0f016910a63ab@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Here's a curious one... From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:53:19 +0900 I'm sorry for my misleading floppy image. > after installing the auth FS. I wonder where (seemingly) dossrv is > going wrong. The NS entry: > > mount '#s/dos' /n/temp /tmp/mandos.3rd.fs.fd > > doesn't seem likely to be wrong :-) mandos.3rd.fs.fd contains *3rd release binaries* and you will need a 3rd ed. 9pccpu kernel to use them. If you use 4th ed. 9pccpu, it is very likely not to work. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 17:10:06 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 17:10:06 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13648 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 17:10:05 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13644 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 17:10:05 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 17:10:05 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 945EB19A31; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:09:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A53D19A28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB386wx8000983 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:07:00 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB386uZE000982 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:06:56 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Here's a curious one... Message-ID: <20021203100655.D22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <0ef0997565c7bc7bcfa0f016910a63ab@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <0ef0997565c7bc7bcfa0f016910a63ab@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp>; from YAMANASHI Takeshi on Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 04:53:19PM +0900 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:06:56 +0200 On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 04:53:19PM +0900, YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: > > mandos.3rd.fs.fd contains *3rd release binaries* > and you will need a 3rd ed. 9pccpu kernel to use them. > If you use 4th ed. 9pccpu, it is very likely not to work. That would explain the problem, of course, if the "local" LS is the one that gets used. How silly of me to overlook the obvious. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 17:10:09 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 17:10:09 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13656 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 17:10:09 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13651 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 17:10:09 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 17:10:09 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25E7C19A3E; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:09:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 057F319A2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB384qx8000976 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:04:54 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB384pLX000975 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:04:51 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Here's a curious one... Message-ID: <20021203100450.C22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <0ef0997565c7bc7bcfa0f016910a63ab@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <0ef0997565c7bc7bcfa0f016910a63ab@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp>; from YAMANASHI Takeshi on Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 04:53:19PM +0900 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:04:50 +0200 On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 04:53:19PM +0900, YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: > > I'm sorry for my misleading floppy image. > Not at all, the name makes it very clear. > mandos.3rd.fs.fd contains *3rd release binaries* > and you will need a 3rd ed. 9pccpu kernel to use them. > If you use 4th ed. 9pccpu, it is very likely not to work. I have successfully used 2ed C++ compiler binaries under 4ed (in a limited fashion, of course). You'll be amazed how tolerant Plan 9 is :-) ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 17:21:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 17:21:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14029 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 17:21:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14025 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 17:21:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 17:21:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D59A19A56; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:21:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B01419A40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:20:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-voqhrcgpfdnsxomzbatkcvyzgt" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:20:04 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-voqhrcgpfdnsxomzbatkcvyzgt Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, for me, allow is just to too dangerous and we use it just to upgrade system files including wstats. Before using it you can always ask who to the file server. And it's sensible to put an 'echo dont forget to disllow' in whatever scripts you use to install files. If you fell you really need it, I might change that for you when I get some time, but I'd prefer not to put that into our regular kernel. --upas-voqhrcgpfdnsxomzbatkcvyzgt Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Tue Dec 3 03:10:19 MET 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1348199DD; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:10:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EB798199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([61.211.131.19]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 11:09:18 JST 2002 Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Kenji Arisawa To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021202162152.S22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Message-Id: <400A7402-0651-11D7-9E52-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:53:26 +0900 Hello, >With or without the "allow/disallow" commands? I disabled the former, >left the latter because I feel more comfortable that way. I might asking too much... I would like to have allow command that allows limited users, i.e., allow bootes arisawa Kenji Arisawa --upas-voqhrcgpfdnsxomzbatkcvyzgt-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 18:03:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 18:03:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15371 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 18:03:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15367 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 18:03:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 18:03:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3987D19A63; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:03:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from l1.lviv.net (l1.lviv.net [194.44.63.130]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8878B19A0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from saturn (yan.local.lviv.net [10.10.128.16] (may be forged)) by l1.lviv.net (8.12.0.Beta19/8.11.0) with SMTP id gB392B3O023063 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:02:14 +0200 Message-ID: <013601c29aaa$acb9f0e0$10800a0a@saturn> From: "Ian Dichkovsky" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook Express 2000 UIExt. BuildID: 3BC00FAD (7/10/2001 11:17:49). Subject: [9fans] (no subject) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:02:10 +0200 Hello, Russ! You wrote on Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:34:30 GMT: RC> When you do your next pull, every binary RC> on your system will be updated. RC> (You can also use the "bleeding edge" update CD on RC> the updates web page, after it gets regenerated RC> tomorrow morning at 5am EST; it's probably RC> less to download.) Could you tell me where is updates page ? Here ? http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ureg.html Is there any information on the page about date of update CD ? At what time (GMT) regular update occurs ? (11:46 -4 GMT ?) P.S. Sorry for bad English. Best regards, Ian Dichkovsky, mailto: ntokay at org lviv net, ICQ 83146271 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 18:07:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 18:07:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15578 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 18:07:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15574 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 18:07:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 18:07:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE1DA19A65; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:07:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from l1.lviv.net (l1.lviv.net [194.44.63.130]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10F9819A0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from saturn (yan.local.lviv.net [10.10.128.16] (may be forged)) by l1.lviv.net (8.12.0.Beta19/8.11.0) with SMTP id gB396q3O023676 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:06:53 +0200 Message-ID: <015201c29aab$5307a410$10800a0a@saturn> From: "Ian Dichkovsky" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] lots of binaries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook Express 2000 UIExt. BuildID: 3BC00FAD (7/10/2001 11:17:49). Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:06:51 +0200 Hello, Russ! You wrote on Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:34:30 GMT: RC> When you do your next pull, every binary RC> on your system will be updated. RC> (You can also use the "bleeding edge" update CD on RC> the updates web page, after it gets regenerated RC> tomorrow morning at 5am EST; it's probably RC> less to download.) Could you tell me where is updates page ? Here ? http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ureg.html Is there any information on the page about date of update CD ? At what time (GMT) regular update occurs ? (11:46 -4 GMT ?) P.S. Sorry for bad English. Best regards, Ian Dichkovsky, mailto: ntokay at org lviv net, ICQ 83146271 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 18:13:39 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 18:13:39 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15758 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 18:13:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15754 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 18:13:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 18:13:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C50419A58; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:35:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0CCB19A2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:34:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:34:21 +0100 When I wrote: > Our local fs is now the one distributed I tried to say just that what we're running now is the file server code as distributed (with no further changes). Since it now includes the changes to support our disks, we have no reason to run a different one. Excuse me in case what I wrote could also mean something different. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 19:38:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 19:38:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17823 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 19:38:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17819 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 19:38:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 19:38:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C767919A28; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:38:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9F5EF19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([61.211.131.19]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 19:37:11 JST 2002 Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Kenji Arisawa To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2CD4D4C9-06AB-11D7-B4A1-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:37:09 +0900 > Well, for me, allow is just to too dangerous and we use it just > to upgrade system files including wstats. Before using it you can > always ask who to the file server. And it's sensible to put an > 'echo dont forget to disllow' in whatever scripts you use to install > files. If you fell you really need it, I might change that for you > when I get some time, but I'd prefer not to put that into our regular > kernel. > Thank you very much! I asked: allow bootes arisawa however a single user will be enough for the argument of allow. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 22:10:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 22:10:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20420 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 22:10:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20416 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 22:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 22:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B8C1319A08; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:10:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CFB5F19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:09:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] IP_DF bit and broken connections Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:09:47 +0100 Hi, we've found that if we dont disable the check for IP_DF bit while processing a fragment in ip.c, then some of our connections break from time to time. By doing this change, everything seems to work fine for us: diff /n/dump/2002/1203/sys/src/9/ip/ip.c /sys/src/9/ip/ip.c 315c315 < if(eh->frag[0] & (IP_DF>>8)){ --- > if(0 && eh->frag[0] & (IP_DF>>8)){ The reason seems to be that some times when we connect through our router, we get packet fragments which also carry the DF bit set. Since we're not network gurus, we asked to our local network programming guru and he suggested not to even look into the DF bit if we're not gatewaying. I don't think this is a `Plan 9 problem', but since it did forbid us to keep our connections alive when going through some routers, I thought it could be of help for others. We'll continue tracing this problem. In case we find out anything, we'll let you know. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 22:52:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 22:52:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21068 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 22:52:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21064 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 22:52:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 22:52:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6272F19A05; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:52:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E62C019991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:51:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] lots of binaries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:51:41 -0500 > Could you tell me where is updates page ? > Here ? > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ureg.html Yes. > At what time (GMT) regular update occurs ? (11:46 -4 GMT ?) It happens every morning at 5:00 US East Coast time (currently 10:00 GMT, until we change our clocks in April). Usually it takes under an hour, so it's done by 6:00, but today it didn't finish until 9:00 (14:00 GMT). Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 23:17:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 23:17:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21471 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 23:17:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21467 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 23:17:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 23:17:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2D1419A58; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:17:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF94D19A04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:16:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7b1c43dd7861606ef7b507b6df57953d@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: nemo@plan9.escet.urjc.es, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IP_DF bit and broken connections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zminzhvismrxpbkphdropzuhor" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:16:40 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zminzhvismrxpbkphdropzuhor Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm confused. The DF bit should only be set in packets that you are forwarding to someone else, i.e., if you are acting as a router. Is that what you are doing? I can imagine a situation where our action is incorrect. If you are acting as a router and the system routing through you is setting the DF bit in order to do mtu discovery and it is larger than your mtu is less than the packet size, then we should be sending back an icmp message saying that we couldn't fragment. Otherwise the connection can't go through. Is this your situation? The only other situation I can imagine is that we're somewhere forgetting to zero out the bit when creating packets. --upas-zminzhvismrxpbkphdropzuhor Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 3 08:10:15 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Tue Dec 3 08:10:14 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C9C0199F2; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:10:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CFB5F19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:09:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] IP_DF bit and broken connections Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:09:47 +0100 Hi, we've found that if we dont disable the check for IP_DF bit while processing a fragment in ip.c, then some of our connections break from time to time. By doing this change, everything seems to work fine for us: diff /n/dump/2002/1203/sys/src/9/ip/ip.c /sys/src/9/ip/ip.c 315c315 < if(eh->frag[0] & (IP_DF>>8)){ --- > if(0 && eh->frag[0] & (IP_DF>>8)){ The reason seems to be that some times when we connect through our router, we get packet fragments which also carry the DF bit set. Since we're not network gurus, we asked to our local network programming guru and he suggested not to even look into the DF bit if we're not gatewaying. I don't think this is a `Plan 9 problem', but since it did forbid us to keep our connections alive when going through some routers, I thought it could be of help for others. We'll continue tracing this problem. In case we find out anything, we'll let you know. --upas-zminzhvismrxpbkphdropzuhor-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 4 10:32:57 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 4 10:32:57 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30991 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2002 10:32:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30987 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 10:32:41 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 10:32:41 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3DCA199BB; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:32:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from magnum.cooper.edu (magnum.cooper.edu [199.98.16.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4DB671999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from robin.cooper.edu by magnum.cooper.edu with SMTP id AA06248 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:33:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by robin.cooper.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA05088; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:31:51 -0500 From: Joel Salomon To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] cannot open /n/a:/vgainfo.txt Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:31:51 -0500 (EST) While attempting to install from a boot floppy, I got this error message and got dropped into text-mode rc. /n/a: somehow got mounted badly and trying ls got IO errors. mount /srv/dos /n/a: /dev/fd0disk worked, but there is no vgainfo.txt on the disk. Two disks, two downloads of the boot floppy, same error. Any ideas? Thanks, --Joel ______________________________________________________ Due to economic circumstances, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 4 10:59:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 4 10:59:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31893 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2002 10:59:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31889 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 10:59:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 10:59:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52169199BF; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:59:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC2CD199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 3 20:58:22 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.142 ([141.154.234.142]) by plan9; Tue Dec 3 20:58:21 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cannot open /n/a:/vgainfo.txt From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:58:18 -0500 It's trying to create vgainfo.txt, so it's okay that you don't see it there -- the create failed! Does typing "boota:" work? How about "a:"? Is this a standard floppy drive or is there something special about it (on a different controller, is an LS-120, etc.)? 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Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:32:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pac7@post.cz) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail1.post.cz (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gB46W7Mj059839; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:32:07 +0100 (CET) From: Petr Cejchan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <96b3e3538f7bc97b1d3dc04327390d5d@www1.mail.post.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=iso-8859-2 X-Originating-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) X-Originating-Ip: 147.231.139.42 X-Mailer: Volny.cz Webmail2 1.13 Subject: [9fans] can't read from 700 MB CD-R Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:32:07 +0100 (CET) Hi, I cannot mount a filesystem bigger than 650MB from a CD, although I can happily do this with the same iso image on HD. Am I missing something? Thanks, regards, ++pac. -- ---- Vyhraj 2listky na Breakbeat Conference 7.12.2002 v Roxy. zacatek od 22:00 Soutez na http://web.volny.cz Vice informaci o akci na www.lighthouse.cz From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 4 15:48:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 4 15:48:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9095 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2002 15:48:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9091 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 15:48:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 15:48:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14452199BF; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:48:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73E0C1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 01:47:11 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.142 ([141.154.234.142]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 01:47:10 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] can't read from 700 MB CD-R From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:47:04 -0500 if you ls -l the cd file, does it show the right size? are you sure your cd reader can read the cd? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 4 22:51:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 4 22:51:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20084 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2002 22:51:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20080 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 22:51:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 22:51:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DCC38199B6; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:51:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr (diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.181]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 478721998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5467 invoked by uid 1556); 4 Dec 2002 13:46:54 -0000 From: Anastasopoulos S To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Duff's panel library paper Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:46:54 +0200 (EET) Hi At http://docs.rinet.ru:8083/LomamVse/ch21/ch21.htm the writer refers to a paper by Tom Duff about the panel library of the second edition. If anybody has it in electronic form, please send me a copy at my private mail (anastas@ceid.upatras.gr). Thanks Spyros From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 00:23:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 00:23:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21028 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 00:23:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21024 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 00:23:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 00:23:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 113C9199B9; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:23:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B42219988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 10:22:12 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.142 ([141.154.234.142]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 10:22:11 EST 2002 Message-ID: <8937a3748502dc2e3b731105628c470c@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Duff's panel library paper From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:22:21 -0500 i just dropped it in /n/sources/contrib/mothra/libpanel/panel.pdf and for the 9p-handicapped, http://plan9.bell-labs.com/~rsc/panel.pdf enjoy. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 00:34:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 00:34:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21130 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 00:34:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21126 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 00:34:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 00:34:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 05708199BB; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:34:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 24FA1199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50838 invoked by uid 18927); 4 Dec 2002 15:26:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 15:26:06 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Duff's panel library paper In-Reply-To: <8937a3748502dc2e3b731105628c470c@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <20021204081928.I46243-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:26:06 -0700 (MST) there are other interesting papers that are hard to find on the net nowadays, like the 1992 'Plan 9 from Bell-Labs' (the one with performance comparisons to the MIPS architecture showing P9 to outperform it somewhat marginally, and also containing kernel sizes in lines of code -- I always like to read that part)... maybe there should be a bigger repository for P9-related papers on sources, old and new? andrey On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > i just dropped it in > > /n/sources/contrib/mothra/libpanel/panel.pdf > > and for the 9p-handicapped, > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/~rsc/panel.pdf > > enjoy. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 00:48:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 00:48:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21260 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 00:48:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21256 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 00:48:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 00:48:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 71129199BF; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:48:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CD76199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 10:47:00 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.142 ([141.154.234.142]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 10:46:59 EST 2002 Message-ID: <60be5ab21bb85ef41c74f7866ca7e83c@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Duff's panel library paper From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:47:06 -0500 > there are other interesting papers that are hard to find on the net nowadays, > like the 1992 'Plan 9 from Bell-Labs' (the one with performance comparisons > to the MIPS architecture showing P9 to outperform it somewhat marginally, > and also containing kernel sizes in lines of code -- I always like to read > that part)... http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.pdf no? > maybe there should be a bigger repository for P9-related papers on sources, > old and new? someone else suggested this too, though i'm not sure there are that many old papers. i think the only papers are Alef User's Guide Alef Ref Manual Panel Library Raster Graphics and the only one that's not online is the gfx one. but so be it. http://plan9.bell-labs.com/old.plan9 /n/sources/contrib/old russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 00:56:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 00:56:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21337 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 00:56:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21333 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 00:56:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 00:56:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6DE49199E3; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:56:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 94EBC19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50891 invoked by uid 18927); 4 Dec 2002 15:48:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 15:48:17 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Duff's panel library paper In-Reply-To: <60be5ab21bb85ef41c74f7866ca7e83c@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <20021204084531.B46243-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:48:17 -0700 (MST) this is what I had in mind: http://netlib.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr/158b.ps.gz the current 'Plan 9 from Bell Labs' paper seems to be significantly reworked (and rightly so -- lots has changed :) andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 06:19:43 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 06:19:43 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23904 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 06:19:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23900 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 06:19:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 06:19:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 563821998A; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:19:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 918BE19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from TWOFISH.WV.CC.cmu.edu (TWOFISH.WV.CC.cmu.edu [128.2.75.164]) by ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id gB4LI8H09075 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:18:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [9fans] Duff's panel library paper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: suspect To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <60be5ab21bb85ef41c74f7866ca7e83c@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:18:13 -0500 Mk'ing hardware (T. Killian) ? cheers, On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 10:47 AM, Russ Cox wrote: >> there are other interesting papers that are hard to find on the net >> nowadays, >> like the 1992 'Plan 9 from Bell-Labs' (the one with performance >> comparisons >> to the MIPS architecture showing P9 to outperform it somewhat >> marginally, >> and also containing kernel sizes in lines of code -- I always like to >> read >> that part)... > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.pdf > > no? > >> maybe there should be a bigger repository for P9-related papers on >> sources, >> old and new? > > someone else suggested this too, though i'm not > sure there are that many old papers. i think the > only papers are > > Alef User's Guide > Alef Ref Manual > Panel Library > Raster Graphics > > and the only one that's not online is the gfx one. > > but so be it. > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/old.plan9 > /n/sources/contrib/old > > russ > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 12:31:05 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 12:31:05 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 883 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 12:30:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 874 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 12:30:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 12:30:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 30F171998A; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:30:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail01.cna.ne.jp (d61-196-127-002.cna.ne.jp [61.196.127.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 657E719999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18095 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 12:29:21 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO may.localnet) ([61.196.124.101]) (envelope-sender ) by mail01 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 5 Dec 2002 12:29:21 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum problem fix From: pwfmfx@cna.ne.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:29:28 +0900 Hello, I've forgot to tell you that there was a small resource leak in factotum: term% diff /sys/src/cmd/auth/fctotum/util.c util.c 15,17c15,17 < if((srvfd = open("#s/cs", ORDWR)) >= 0){ < if(mount(srvfd, -1, "/net", MBEFORE, "") >= 0) < return 0; --- > if((srvfd = open("#s/cs", ORDWR)) < 0) > return -1; > if(mount(srvfd, -1, "/net", MBEFORE, "") < 0){ 18a19 > return -1; 20c21 < return -1; --- > close(srvfd); term% -- Mamoru Sato From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 12:43:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 12:43:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1390 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 12:43:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1386 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 12:43:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 12:43:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4182919999; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:43:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C7ACB1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 22:42:42 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.72 ([141.154.230.72]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 22:42:40 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum problem fix From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:42:39 -0500 Can you please just post the entire bindnetcs() function? From your diff I can't figure out what's going on. Thanks. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 15:49:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 15:49:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8194 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 15:49:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8190 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 15:49:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 15:49:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 138BB199B7; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:48:31 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 873A0199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:44:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9Term settings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:44:20 -0500 > | My Question is how can I run plan9 and still communicate > | properly. Currently I can connect and type but can`t use > | programs such as vi. Any thoughts, comments or suggestions > | greatly appreciated. > > Use sam instead of vi! Or use u9fs! Compiling u9fs is one of the first things I do every time I get a new Unix account. I run it over ssh through some convoluted hoops that I've recently packaged into srvssh (see srv(4)). This way it runs as you talking to your SSH connection, rather than as a dedicated daemon listening to the network at large. Combined with this plumbing rule: type is text data matches 'Local (.*)' plumb to none plumb start rc -c $1 and I'm all set. I type "Local 9fs linux" in an acme window, button-2 click it, button-3 click it, and now it's mounted in my acme namespace as well as any rio windows I draw thereafter. Russ g% cat /usr/rsc/bin/rc/9fs # [names below changed to protect the innocent.] #!/bin/rc switch($1){ case spade srvssh -r -u /home/rsc/u9fs/u9fs spade.demon.com spade /n/spade case eecs srvssh -r -u /home/soda/rsc/u9fs/u9fs soda.eecs.berkeley.edu eecs /n/eecs case 18.404 srvssh -r -u /home/18.404/bin/u9fs 18.404@courses.athena.mit.edu 18.404 /n/18.404x && bind /n/18.404x/home/18.404 /n/18.404 case linux srvssh -r -u /home/rsc/u9fs/u9fs linux case ord srvssh -r ord.lcs.mit.edu ord /n/ord case sfo srvssh -r sfo.lcs.mit.edu sfo /n/sfo case ewr srvssh -r -u /home/ny3/rsc/bin/FreeBSD/i386/u9fs ewr.lcs.mit.edu ewr /n/ewr case * exec /rc/bin/9fs $* } exit '' g% From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 15:56:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 15:56:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8507 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 15:56:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8501 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 15:56:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 15:56:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC72C19992; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:55:30 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.mightycheese.com (mail.mightycheese.com [209.61.186.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E942A199EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [66.171.61.9] (HELO [192.168.0.2]) by mail.mightycheese.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with ESMTP id 397692 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:51:58 -0600 From: rob pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9Term settings Message-ID: <82349806.1039042424@[192.168.0.2]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:53:44 -0800 I do even more than that. My 9fs rule looks like srvssh ... bind /n/machine/home /home so that the file names I find embedded in Unix files are plumbable. I hope soon to have ssh windows have plumbable names back to Plan 9. Stay tuned. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 18:06:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 18:06:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13435 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 18:06:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13431 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 18:06:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 18:06:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DCC5719988; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:06:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 06660199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB595Ym2011171 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:05:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9295e66ae9f5e0ba2b19f08365ab8599@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] cpu keyboard Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:20:19 -0500 When using a 4th ed cpu kernel -- built locally -- the console freezes within a few minutes of startup, although the system continues to operate (drawterm and cpu ). The CD image was downloaded on 11/27. The term kernel from the CD on the same hardware doesn't exhibit this problem. Any idea where I should start looking? Also, I can't be sure, but it seems to happen more quickly if I switch the console (keyboard/mouse/display) to another machine and back. I vaguely recall seeing this with a 3rd ed cpu. Has anyone else experienced this? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 18:19:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 18:19:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13842 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 18:19:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13838 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 18:19:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 18:19:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E99C1998C; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:19:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (unknown [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E821D19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:17:59 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Received: from ccMail by snellwilcox.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.51.00.11) id 3736384783; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:17:59 +0000 Importance: normal Priority: normal Message-Id: <3736384783@snellwilcox.com> X-MIME-Engine: v0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MIME MULTIPART BOUNDARY=.1039079879:+'1" Content-Id: <3736384783-1@snellwilcox.com> Subject: [9fans] u9fs: pread pwrite setreuid setregid Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:17:15 +0000 --MIME MULTIPART BOUNDARY=.1039079879:+'1 Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Id: <3736384783-2@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="compat.c" LyogY29tcGF0YWJpbGl0eSBsYXllciBmb3IgdTlmcyBzdXBwb3J0IG9uIENZR1dJTiAqLwoKI2lu Y2x1ZGUgPHVuaXN0ZC5oPgojaW5jbHVkZSA8ZXJybm8uaD4KCnNzaXplX3QKcHJlYWQoaW50IGZk LCB2b2lkICpwLCBzaXplX3Qgbiwgb2ZmX3Qgb2ZmKQp7CglvZmZfdCBvb2ZmOwoJaW50IG9lcnJu bzsKCglpZiAoKG9vZmYgID0gbHNlZWsoZmQsIG9mZiwgU0VFS19TRVQpKSA9PSAtMSkKCQlyZXR1 cm4gLTE7CgoJbiA9IHJlYWQoZmQsIHAsIG4pOwoKCW9lcnJubyA9IGVycm5vOwoJbHNlZWsoZmQs IG9vZmYsIFNFRUtfU0VUKTsKCWVycm5vID0gb2Vycm5vOwoKCXJldHVybiBuOwp9Cgpzc2l6ZV90 CnB3cml0ZShpbnQgZmQsIGNvbnN0IHZvaWQgKnAsIHNpemVfdCBuLCBvZmZfdCBvZmYpCnsKCW9m Zl90IG9vZmY7CglpbnQgb2Vycm5vOwoKCWlmICgob29mZiAgPSBsc2VlayhmZCwgb2ZmLCBTRUVL X1NFVCkpID09IC0xKQoJCXJldHVybiAtMTsKCgluID0gd3JpdGUoZmQsIHAsIG4pOwoKCW9lcnJu byA9IGVycm5vOwoJbHNlZWsoZmQsIG9vZmYsIFNFRUtfU0VUKTsKCWVycm5vID0gb2Vycm5vOwoK CXJldHVybiBuOwp9CgppbnQKc2V0cmV1aWQoaW50IHJ1aWQsIGludCBldWlkKQp7CglpZiAocnVp ZCAhPSAtMSkKCQlpZiAoc2V0dWlkKHJ1aWQpID09IC0xKQoJCQlyZXR1cm4oLTEpOwoJaWYgKGV1 aWQgIT0gLTEpCgkJaWYgKHNldGV1aWQoZXVpZCkgPT0gLTEpCgkJCXJldHVybigtMSk7Cn0KCmlu dApzZXRyZWdpZChpbnQgcmdpZCwgaW50IGVnaWQpCnsKCWlmIChyZ2lkICE9IC0xKQoJCWlmIChz ZXRnaWQocmdpZCkgPT0gLTEpCgkJCXJldHVybigtMSk7CglpZiAoZWdpZCAhPSAtMSkKCQlpZiAo c2V0ZWdpZChlZ2lkKSA9PSAtMSkKCQkJcmV0dXJuKC0xKTsKfQo= --MIME MULTIPART BOUNDARY=.1039079879:+'1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Id: <3736384783-3@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Getting u9fs to compile under CYGWIN and its adged posix interface I needed a four of shims functions: ssize_t pread(int fd, void *p, size_t n, off_t off); ssize_t pwrite(int fd, const void *p, size_t n, off_t off); int setreuid(int ruid, int euid); int setregid(int rgid, int egid); Just in case this is usefull to somone else it is here attached. -Steve --MIME MULTIPART BOUNDARY=.1039079879:+'1-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 19:02:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 19:02:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14920 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 19:02:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14916 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 19:02:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 19:02:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 965BA199BF; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:02:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9153B19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB5A0xx8007408 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:01:01 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB5A0qM2007407 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:00:52 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs: pread pwrite setreuid setregid Message-ID: <20021205120048.J1419@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <3736384783@snellwilcox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <3736384783@snellwilcox.com>; from steve.simon@snellwilcox.com on Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 09:17:15AM +0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:00:48 +0200 On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 09:17:15AM +0000, steve.simon@snellwilcox.com wrote: > > Just in case this is usefull to somone else it is here attached. > No, it isn't. I think this is getting pretty twisted, but the tools, in my opinion, ought to be in the distribution anyway :-) ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 19:07:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 19:07:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15017 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 19:07:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15012 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 19:07:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 19:07:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1165E199BF; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:07:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from netscape.com (c3po.aoltw.net [64.236.137.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B338F199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from yoda.mcom.com ([10.128.72.204]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id gB5A6At07161 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from will551 ([10.128.74.77]) by yoda.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H6N5EI00.054 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:06:18 +0000 From: "will551" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [9fans] network and graphics problems Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:06:47 -0000 hi guys Im having a bit of a problem setting up my plan9 network. I have a proteon P1370-EA card with an AT/LANTIC chip which gets recognised at boot as the following: #l0 NE2000: 10Mbps port 0x300 irq 9 addr 0x4000 size 0x4000: 000093842A1F (it is recognised under linux as a NE*000 card) I have a linux gateway on my local hubbed network through which a linux box can talk to a dos box. Its ip is 10.5.1.15. I used: ip/ipconfig -g 10.5.1.15 ether /net/ether0 10.5.1.18 255.255.255.0 to config my plan9 box. My /net/iproute is: 0.0.0.0 /96 10.5.1.15 4 none - 10.0.0.0 /128 10.0.0.0 46 ifc - 10.5.1.0 /120 10.5.1.0 4i ifc 0 10.5.1.0 /128 10.5.1.0 4b ifc - . . . when I try pinging my Linux gateway: ip/ping 10.5.1.15 of my other Linux box ip/ping 10.5.1.8 I get a message simalar to: Sending 32 messages 1 second apart and then after about 32 seconds it tells me all the packets were lost. Is there some way that I can get this working? Also Im having a problem with a MACH64CT-C2 card which doesnt seem to be refreshing the screen? It worked fine on the install but now with rio its not working properly? anyone know fixes for these? tx will551 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 19:21:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 19:21:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15399 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 19:21:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15395 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 19:21:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 19:21:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29211199B6; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:21:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B449A19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB5AKWx8007447 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:20:34 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB5AKR15007446 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:20:27 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] network and graphics problems Message-ID: <20021205122023.K1419@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from will551 on Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:06:47AM -0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:20:23 +0200 On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:06:47AM -0000, will551 wrote: > which gets recognised at boot as the following: > #l0 NE2000: 10Mbps port 0x300 irq 9 addr 0x4000 size 0x4000: 000093842A1F > (it is recognised under linux as a NE*000 card) > [ ... ] > I get a message simalar to: > Sending 32 messages 1 second apart > and then after about 32 seconds it tells me all the packets were lost. > Is there some way that I can get this working? > The most likely cause is the IRQ selection, in my experience. If Linux recognises the adapter and is able to use it, it will probably disclose the right IRQ setting. Unfortunately, trial and error is a painful way to get there otherwise. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 19:35:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 19:35:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15727 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 19:35:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15723 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 19:35:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 19:35:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0CFEA199DD; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:35:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A598C1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:34:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <08fdc73b5f22a6134f7ef266a02a68a0@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, paurea@plan9.escet.urjc.es From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Re: IP_DF bit and broken connections Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:34:56 +0100 This is what we found regarding broken connections when going through some routers. The setting is Plan 9 <-⋯ether⋯-> adsl router <--> Linux. Linux always sets the DF bit in outgoing packets. Plan 9 doesnt, but setting it does not change things (we tested that). Some routers eat packets with size 1500 (eg. adsl from telefonica in spain) without fragmenting or sending icmps. Too bad. With icmp (sized 1500), Linux sends two fragments despite the mtu being big enough. We get both fragments in Plan 9 but since they came with the DF bit set, the reply is dropped by the if in ip.c. Perhaps once reassembled, the DF bit could be cleared; I don't know. With tcp, Linux has its mtu at 1500 and negotiates its mss of 1460. The same does Plan 9, but despite this, Linux sends packets of at most 1444 bytes when going through the router and Plan 9 sends up to 1500 (which IMHO is legitimate). Thus, the linux packets get through and our 1500 packets don't get through. (The connection gets hanged so that Plan 9 retransmits the poor 1500 packet once and again). The workaround is simply to adjust the mtu not to reach 1500. Doing so either on Linux or on Plan 9 lets things work (because the negotiated mss is smaller). I don't know how linux discovers that it shouldn't send 1500 bytes. There are no icmp packets, and the negotiated mss is the same (as I said before). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 21:17:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 21:17:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17725 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 21:17:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17721 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 21:17:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 21:17:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 30FE8199DD; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:17:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nanionic.hilbert.space (80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 44559199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:16:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7b5bbb5be8703e560196a5f620045605@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: IP_DF bit and broken connections From: paurea@plan9.escet.urjc.es MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:19:24 +0100 > This is what we found regarding broken connections when > going through some routers. The setting is > > Plan 9 <-⋯ether⋯-> adsl router <--> Linux. More precisely, the adsl router is a Speedstream 5600 from Efficient Technologies. Saludos, Gorka From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:05:39 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:05:39 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20263 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:05:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20258 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:05:37 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:05:37 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C13A1998A; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:26:23 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2900B1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:23:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7c5893f473a41fe0dd03897da25d170f@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: nemo@plan9.escet.urjc.es, 9fans@cse.psu.edu, paurea@plan9.escet.urjc.es Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: IP_DF bit and broken connections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-vnubosgbhyauqylqkyvjhsyven" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:23:13 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-vnubosgbhyauqylqkyvjhsyven Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only problem is that TCP always sets the DF bit to zero since it zeros it in the proto header and copies the protoheader into every packet. ICMP does screw up by just copying the input header to the output packet and thus inheriting the DF bit. I just put new 9/ip/ip.[ch] and 9/ip/icmp.c on sources. The new ip.c sends back an icmp message if it couldn't forward the packet because of the DF bit. It also zero's the frag field when it passes it up the stack so that no upper level protocol can reflect it back. The DF should only remain when we're acting as a router. There's now a check and a print to make sure we're not sending a DF bit for packets originated on the machine. Nemo, could you try these? If you are still sending out anything with DF set, please track it down. I don't see how it could have been happening except in ICMP but this should make it impossible to copy the DF bit from input to output and complain about any locally generated DF's. By the way, Linux is probably doing path MTU discovery. By setting the DF bit, it gets an ICMP packet bounced back to it when the packet can't fit at some router without being fragged. The system backs off when it gets the ICMP message eventually discovering the MTU. If people are using VPN's big time that reduce packet size, I should probably throw in MTU discovery also. It's not that hard to do. It does have some pretty severe problems though. Look at rfc's 1191 & 2923. --upas-vnubosgbhyauqylqkyvjhsyven Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 05:35:16 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 05:35:15 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5846199D7; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:35:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A598C1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:34:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <08fdc73b5f22a6134f7ef266a02a68a0@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, paurea@plan9.escet.urjc.es From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Re: IP_DF bit and broken connections Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:34:56 +0100 This is what we found regarding broken connections when going through some routers. The setting is Plan 9 <-⋯ether⋯-> adsl router <--> Linux. Linux always sets the DF bit in outgoing packets. Plan 9 doesnt, but setting it does not change things (we tested that). Some routers eat packets with size 1500 (eg. adsl from telefonica in spain) without fragmenting or sending icmps. Too bad. With icmp (sized 1500), Linux sends two fragments despite the mtu being big enough. We get both fragments in Plan 9 but since they came with the DF bit set, the reply is dropped by the if in ip.c. Perhaps once reassembled, the DF bit could be cleared; I don't know. With tcp, Linux has its mtu at 1500 and negotiates its mss of 1460. The same does Plan 9, but despite this, Linux sends packets of at most 1444 bytes when going through the router and Plan 9 sends up to 1500 (which IMHO is legitimate). Thus, the linux packets get through and our 1500 packets don't get through. (The connection gets hanged so that Plan 9 retransmits the poor 1500 packet once and again). The workaround is simply to adjust the mtu not to reach 1500. Doing so either on Linux or on Plan 9 lets things work (because the negotiated mss is smaller). I don't know how linux discovers that it shouldn't send 1500 bytes. There are no icmp packets, and the negotiated mss is the same (as I said before). --upas-vnubosgbhyauqylqkyvjhsyven-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:12:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:12:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20380 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:12:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20376 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:12:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:12:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CBE221998A; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:12:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5458199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 10:11:33 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.72 ([141.154.230.72]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 10:11:32 EST 2002 Message-ID: <7513e68571735e6c6b77aec71bde0b12@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs: pread pwrite setreuid setregid From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:11:30 -0500 >> Just in case this is usefull to somone else it is here attached. >> > No, it isn't. I think this is getting pretty twisted, but the tools, > in my opinion, ought to be in the distribution anyway :-) I assume you were trying to say that it wasn't attached rather than trying to say that it wasn't useful. I see the attachment though, so I'm confused. In any event, I've dropped it into /sys/src/cmd/unix/u9fs as cygwin.c. Thanks to Steve. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:22:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:22:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20527 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:22:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20522 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:22:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:22:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5421119A31; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:30:32 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1EB819A00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:29:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6edf1bd274b3ae3742ae9c175c94c2af@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] network and graphics problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-odtideohrlfjqxmtvmksbnqumv" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:29:46 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-odtideohrlfjqxmtvmksbnqumv Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks to me that you have everything configured correctly. The first thing to do is to snoop your network and see if you're seeing any packets at all. If you're on a switch, you'll only see broadcasts or packets sent to it, so you should try pinging it from one of the other systems. To snoop just type 'snoopy' with no args. It'll dump any ether packets it sees on ether0. If you see nothing, the usual problem is the IRQ being used by the ether. You might try moving it from 9 to 11. --upas-odtideohrlfjqxmtvmksbnqumv Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 05:07:14 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 05:07:13 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4104199B6; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:07:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from netscape.com (c3po.aoltw.net [64.236.137.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B338F199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from yoda.mcom.com ([10.128.72.204]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id gB5A6At07161 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from will551 ([10.128.74.77]) by yoda.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H6N5EI00.054 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:06:18 +0000 From: "will551" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [9fans] network and graphics problems Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:06:47 -0000 hi guys Im having a bit of a problem setting up my plan9 network. I have a proteon P1370-EA card with an AT/LANTIC chip which gets recognised at boot as the following: #l0 NE2000: 10Mbps port 0x300 irq 9 addr 0x4000 size 0x4000: 000093842A1F (it is recognised under linux as a NE*000 card) I have a linux gateway on my local hubbed network through which a linux box can talk to a dos box. Its ip is 10.5.1.15. I used: ip/ipconfig -g 10.5.1.15 ether /net/ether0 10.5.1.18 255.255.255.0 to config my plan9 box. My /net/iproute is: 0.0.0.0 /96 10.5.1.15 4 none - 10.0.0.0 /128 10.0.0.0 46 ifc - 10.5.1.0 /120 10.5.1.0 4i ifc 0 10.5.1.0 /128 10.5.1.0 4b ifc - . . . when I try pinging my Linux gateway: ip/ping 10.5.1.15 of my other Linux box ip/ping 10.5.1.8 I get a message simalar to: Sending 32 messages 1 second apart and then after about 32 seconds it tells me all the packets were lost. Is there some way that I can get this working? Also Im having a problem with a MACH64CT-C2 card which doesnt seem to be refreshing the screen? It worked fine on the install but now with rio its not working properly? anyone know fixes for these? tx will551 --upas-odtideohrlfjqxmtvmksbnqumv-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:33:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:33:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20652 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:33:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20648 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:33:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:33:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F24F419988; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:33:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B5ED199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:32:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <14ddda316a23859e87ebf64703dfb813@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] u9fs re-release Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:32:39 -0500 For people who want an example of a 9P2000 server but are scared enough of the Plan 9 license not to look at any of the Plan 9 source code, the u9fs source code is now available under a trivial license(*), at http://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/research/u9fs.tgz. On a related note, I'm not sure it was ever announced here that over the summer Rob and Eric packaged up the new Plan 9 print library in a form easily run on Unix (and behaving with Unix semantics as far as things like %u are concerned). It is at http://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/fp/p9fmt.tgz. Enjoy. Russ (*) The actual license for u9fs (in the COPYRIGHT file in the archive) is: * The authors of this software are Russ Cox, Sean Dorward, Eric Grosse, et al. * Copyright (c) 2002 by Lucent Technologies. * Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software for any * purpose without fee is hereby granted, provided that this entire notice * is included in all copies of any software which is or includes a copy * or modification of this software and in all copies of the supporting * documentation for such software. * THIS SOFTWARE IS BEING PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED * WARRANTY. IN PARTICULAR, NEITHER THE AUTHORS NOR LUCENT MAKE ANY * REPRESENTATION OR WARRANTY OF ANY KIND CONCERNING THE MERCHANTABILITY * OF THIS SOFTWARE OR ITS FITNESS FOR ANY PARTICULAR PURPOSE. and p9fmt is similar (with different authors). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:34:13 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:34:13 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20661 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:34:13 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20657 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:34:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:34:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0F0D19A25; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:34:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3801219A00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB5FXvx8007933 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:33:57 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB5FXufr007932 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:33:56 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs: pread pwrite setreuid setregid Message-ID: <20021205173352.Q1419@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <7513e68571735e6c6b77aec71bde0b12@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <7513e68571735e6c6b77aec71bde0b12@plan9.bell-labs.com>; from Russ Cox on Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:11:30AM -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:33:55 +0200 On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:11:30AM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > >> Just in case this is usefull to somone else it is here attached. > >> > > No, it isn't. I think this is getting pretty twisted, but the tools, > > in my opinion, ought to be in the distribution anyway :-) > > I assume you were trying to say that it wasn't attached > rather than trying to say that it wasn't useful. > I see the attachment though, so I'm confused. > Yes, my copy of the message did not include the attachment. No idea why not, but I'll try to establish that. > In any event, I've dropped it into /sys/src/cmd/unix/u9fs > as cygwin.c. Thanks to Steve. > My thanks too. Sorry about the confusion. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:38:52 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:38:52 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20709 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:38:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20705 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:38:52 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:38:52 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3436719A54; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:33:41 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ECA4F19A3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:32:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2c273fc89a45db1abed6fe5d4fada7ac@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu keyboard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-vvuljxrfkyngruqjlevwipazsa" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:32:24 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-vvuljxrfkyngruqjlevwipazsa Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you also have the console on one of the serial ports? Define console freeze a little better, i.e., if you hit ^t^tr does it reboot, do error messages continue to appear on the display, ... --upas-vvuljxrfkyngruqjlevwipazsa Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 04:06:16 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 04:06:15 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7CCF1999B; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:06:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 06660199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB595Ym2011171 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:05:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9295e66ae9f5e0ba2b19f08365ab8599@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] cpu keyboard Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:20:19 -0500 When using a 4th ed cpu kernel -- built locally -- the console freezes within a few minutes of startup, although the system continues to operate (drawterm and cpu ). The CD image was downloaded on 11/27. The term kernel from the CD on the same hardware doesn't exhibit this problem. Any idea where I should start looking? Also, I can't be sure, but it seems to happen more quickly if I switch the console (keyboard/mouse/display) to another machine and back. I vaguely recall seeing this with a 3rd ed cpu. Has anyone else experienced this? --upas-vvuljxrfkyngruqjlevwipazsa-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:45:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:45:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20788 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:45:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20784 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:45:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:45:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00D2F199B6; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:45:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9CB261998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB5Fibx8007985 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:44:37 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB5Fia7q007984 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:44:36 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release Message-ID: <20021205174434.R1419@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <14ddda316a23859e87ebf64703dfb813@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <14ddda316a23859e87ebf64703dfb813@plan9.bell-labs.com>; from Russ Cox on Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:32:39AM -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:44:35 +0200 On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:32:39AM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > (*) The actual license for u9fs (in the COPYRIGHT file > in the archive) is: > It strikes me as being very close, at least in intent, to the BSD licence. I concur with those who believe that having as few variations as possible from a small set of fundamental "Open Source" licences is good for the community in general and bad for lawyers, so in my opinion this particular licence should explicitly model itself on the BSD one. Just an opinion, although I think it is advice I'd like to see followed. ++L PS: If the code were mine, I'd add the GNU proviso that any derived works should require disclosure of the source, but there are pros and cons with that. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:54:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:54:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20901 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:54:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20897 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:54:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:54:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B185819A00; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:54:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9FFD6199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 10:53:41 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.72 ([141.154.230.72]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 10:53:40 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:53:38 -0500 > It strikes me as being very close, at least in intent, to the BSD > licence. I concur with those who believe that having as few > variations as possible from a small set of fundamental "Open Source" > licences is good for the community in general and bad for lawyers, > so in my opinion this particular licence should explicitly model > itself on the BSD one. The point of this was NOT to reopen haggling over licensing. Bell Labs has been using that boilerplate since before the term "open source" existed. It's not like the wording was written from scratch yesterday. Please please PLEASE don't continue this thread. We'll all just have filled mailboxes and nothing useful to show for it. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 01:05:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 01:05:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21038 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 01:05:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21034 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 01:05:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 01:05:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 540E9199BF; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:05:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75EEA1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from canadamail2mrk.Canada.Sun.COM ([129.155.2.2]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29692 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from zonzorp.canada.sun.com (zonzorp.Canada.Sun.COM [10.9.130.22]) by canadamail2mrk.Canada.Sun.COM (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id gB5G4rjs000005 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from zonzorp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zonzorp.canada.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB5G3OZ7019316 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:03:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200212051603.gB5G3OZ7019316@zonzorp.canada.sun.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "ozan s. yigit" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:03:24 -0500 thanks for releasing the u9fs server. appreciated. on another topic: anything new happening with tra? sorry i have not been able to supply logs to you as promised, but many system changes at home; should be able to do better in the next little while. cheers... oz From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 01:08:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 01:08:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21069 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 01:08:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21065 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 01:08:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 01:08:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45A5B199F2; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:08:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA156199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:07:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from canadamail1mrk.Canada.Sun.COM ([129.155.2.1]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01691 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from zonzorp.canada.sun.com (zonzorp.Canada.Sun.COM [10.9.130.22]) by canadamail1mrk.Canada.Sun.COM (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id gB5G7b0n028418 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from zonzorp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zonzorp.canada.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB5G68Z7019403 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:06:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200212051606.gB5G68Z7019403@zonzorp.canada.sun.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "ozan s. yigit" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:06:08 -0500 so sorry, last message was supposed to go to russ, not the list. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 01:12:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 01:12:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21105 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 01:12:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21101 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 01:12:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 01:12:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8FB28199E3; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:12:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB40D1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C37A37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6E5D1275; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:11:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:11:34 -0500 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [OT] tra Message-ID: <20021205161134.GB5528@mero.morphisms.net> References: <200212051603.gB5G3OZ7019316@zonzorp.canada.sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200212051603.gB5G3OZ7019316@zonzorp.canada.sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: tra@eecs.harvard.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 11:03:24AM -0500, ozan s. yigit wrote: > on another topic: anything new happening with tra? sorry i have > not been able to supply logs to you as promised, but many system > changes at home; should be able to do better in the next little > while. We've been discussing a gui off and on for a while now. I, at least, would be interested in people's thoughts on the gui. There's also some back-porting to Unix and Windows to do, but I've been sidetracked n+1 times since then. Follow-ups, if any, to the tra list :-) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 02:07:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 02:07:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21569 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 02:07:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21565 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 02:07:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 02:07:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C396199B7; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:07:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0972119992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5H61L7027895 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:06:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu keyboard From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:20:45 -0500 > Do you also have the console on one of the serial ports? Define console > freeze a little better, i.e., if you hit ^t^tr does it reboot, do error > messages continue to appear on the display, ... I can't get to 9fat, but I'm pretty sure the "console=0" was commented out; it's the standard plan9.ini + some new bootfiles added. ^t^tr doesn't reboot. No error messages have appeared on the display from the point where the keyboard stopped responding some 7 hours ago. I don't know how to specifically cause an error message to appear on the console to make certain. Also, is there any way to get at cpu's 9fat from drawterm with bootes credentials (or other files in cpu's /dev)? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 02:20:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 02:20:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21649 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 02:20:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21645 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 02:20:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 02:20:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3676199B9; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:20:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4426199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 12:19:12 EST 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.181 ([18.24.6.181]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 12:19:11 EST 2002 Message-ID: <840454ba8e7a685b77602dd7637247b6@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu keyboard From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:19:15 -0500 > I don't know how to specifically cause an error message to appear on the > console to make certain. Also, is there any way to get at cpu's 9fat > from drawterm with bootes credentials (or other files in cpu's /dev)? To mount 9fat from a cpu window as the hostowner (bootes): bind -b '#S' /dev rm /srv/dos 9fat: To write to the console: echo this will appear on the console >'#c/cons' Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 02:35:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 02:35:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21766 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 02:35:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21762 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 02:35:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 02:35:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E211F199BB; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:35:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8940199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5HYFL7006561 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:34:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <913608bef33db22f53b5b51475ce295d@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu keyboard From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:48:59 -0500 Thanks. I confirmed that 'console=0' is commented out in plan9.ini, and that messages appear on the console display. It seems only the keyboard is hosed. > To mount 9fat from a cpu window as the hostowner (bootes): > > bind -b '#S' /dev > rm /srv/dos > 9fat: > > To write to the console: > > echo this will appear on the console >'#c/cons' From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 02:48:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 02:48:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21905 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 02:48:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21900 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 02:48:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 02:48:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63131199D7; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:48:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A3131998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from patton.home (12-226-228-104.client.attbi.com[12.226.228.104]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2002120517473500100rv070e>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:47:35 +0000 Message-ID: <239a99a86dba2d9846e50596e6708d5e@cs.cmu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: David Swasey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] u9fs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:49:48 -0500 Thanks for srvssh. Here are the changes I made to get u9fs running on a SunOS 5.5.1 machine. -dave 1. A comment: diff /sys/src/cmd/unix/u9fs/makefile u9fs-new/makefile 5a6,10 > # SunOS > # > # SunOS 5.5.1 does not provide inttypes.h; add -Isunos to CFLAGS and change > # CC and LD to gcc. Add -lsocket, -lnsl to LDFLAGS. > # 2. Magic to get timeval defined: diff /sys/src/cmd/unix/u9fs/plan9.h u9fs-new/plan9.h 5a6,9 > #ifdef sun /* sparc and __svr4__ are also defined on the offending machine */ > #define __EXTENSIONS__ 1 /* for struct timeval */ > #endif > 3. A version of inttypes.h: cat u9fs-new/sunos/inttypes.h /* inttypes.h for SunOS cuff.link.cs.cmu.edu 5.5.1 Generic_103640-29 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-Enterprise */ #ifndef INTTYPES_H #define INTTYPES_H typedef char int8_t; typedef short int16_t; typedef int int32_t; typedef long long int64_t; typedef unsigned char uint8_t; typedef unsigned short uint16_t; typedef unsigned int uint32_t; typedef unsigned long long uint64_t; typedef long int intptr_t; typedef unsigned long int uintptr_t; #endif From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 03:56:42 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 03:56:42 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22481 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 03:56:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22477 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 03:56:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 03:56:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 95E1A199BB; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:56:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from magnum.cooper.edu (magnum.cooper.edu [199.98.16.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F3B541998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from robin.cooper.edu by magnum.cooper.edu with SMTP id AA07650 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:57:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by robin.cooper.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA01976; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:55:06 -0500 From: Joel Salomon To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] cannot open /n/a:/vgainfo.txt Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:55:06 -0500 (EST) boota: and a: work (at least they exit silently) and after they run, /n/a: is properly mounted (it seemed to be mounted badly originally). The drives are AFAIK normal ones. --Joel ______________________________________________________ Due to economic circumstances, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. 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Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120522080400.00581@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] questions about translating Plan 9 license Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:08:47 -0500 hi friends, sorry that I waste your time, but to whom I can ask a few questions about translating PLAN 9 OPEN SOURCE LICENSE AGREEMENT to russian? -kyxap From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 05:13:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 05:13:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23364 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 05:13:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23360 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 05:13:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 05:13:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB4DE199F2; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:13:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67DE31998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:12:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4cc43e7198b4902fc766330e3437d7ae@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] questions about translating Plan 9 license MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-snzmdpqaxigvednwpuztpoatlq" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:12:04 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-snzmdpqaxigvednwpuztpoatlq Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Cross --upas-snzmdpqaxigvednwpuztpoatlq Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 15:11:20 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 15:11:19 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AECA1199ED; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:11:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 89D54199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/ic) with ESMTP id gB5KAA8L058930 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:10:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup09.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.24]) by kp.km.ua (kp.km.ua/8.12.6/kp-branch) with SMTP id gB5KA7sZ023407 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:10:08 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120522080400.00581@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] questions about translating Plan 9 license Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:08:47 -0500 hi friends, sorry that I waste your time, but to whom I can ask a few questions about translating PLAN 9 OPEN SOURCE LICENSE AGREEMENT to russian? -kyxap --upas-snzmdpqaxigvednwpuztpoatlq-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 05:29:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 05:29:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23472 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 05:29:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23468 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 05:29:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 05:29:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D0B5199ED; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:29:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2228C199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5KS6L7013489 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:28:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <10cf944a9027ce04c24ea9a2e44ca25b@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu keyboard From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:42:51 -0500 FYI for others who may be interested: this problem was solved (thanks to presotto) by initializing the mouse port by adding a call to aux/mouse in cpurc. I have my machines connected through a KVM (keyboard/video/mouse) switch. The guess is that either cycling the KVM switch or random mouse activity causes the mouse port to generate stray chars which confuse the keyboard input. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 06:07:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 06:07:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23754 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 06:07:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23750 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 06:07:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 06:07:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0918019980; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:07:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from hamnavoe (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A49A19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:06:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <582574ba979f2be0ec51fe1add8f3121@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: IP_DF bit and broken connections From: Richard Miller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:06:03 0000 > Some routers eat packets with size 1500 (eg. adsl from telefonica in > spain) without fragmenting or sending icmps. Too bad. > ... > With tcp, Linux has its mtu at 1500 and negotiates its mss of 1460. > The same does Plan 9, but despite this, Linux sends packets of at most > 1444 bytes when going through the router and Plan 9 sends up to 1500 > (which IMHO is legitimate)... Users of ADSL as provided by British Telecom and its resellers have been advised that "the optimum MTU setting is 1458". From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 06:09:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 06:09:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23765 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 06:09:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23761 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 06:09:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 06:09:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7925E1998A; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:09:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0919A1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/ic) with ESMTP id gB5L8H8L068449 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:08:18 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup12.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.27]) by kp.km.ua (kp.km.ua/8.12.6/kp-branch) with SMTP id gB5L8CsZ027642 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:08:13 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; charset="koi8-r"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_NQJODA81X2H3BVZRLZYQ" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] questions about translating Plan 9 license X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20021205130452.K51740-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> In-Reply-To: <20021205130452.K51740-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120522485000.00539@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:13:35 -0500 --------------Boundary-00=_NQJODA81X2H3BVZRLZYQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: thanks for fast response (Andrey and Dave) but I want to say that I don`t need russian-speaking people. I have found a person, who can translate PLAN 9 OPEN SOURCE LICENSE AGREEMENT, but when she (this person) work on translation licenses, as a rule, she appears questions to author (developer) this license, in respect of special term and miscellaneous in particular. In this instance to whom she will be able to address from Lucent Technologies with similar questions? 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I concur with those who believe that having as few > > variations as possible from a small set of fundamental "Open Source" > > licences is good for the community in general and bad for lawyers, > > so in my opinion this particular licence should explicitly model > > itself on the BSD one. > > The point of this was NOT to reopen haggling over licensing. > Bell Labs has been using that boilerplate since before the term > "open source" existed. It's not like the wording was written from > scratch yesterday. > > Please please PLEASE don't continue this thread. We'll all just > have filled mailboxes and nothing useful to show for it. That's funny since you're the one who opened with a jab... -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 08:20:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 08:20:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24782 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 08:20:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24778 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 08:20:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 08:20:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F02119A00; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:20:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E122C19A1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccs.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/(ccn-5)) with SMTP id gB5NJEgp027750 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:19:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 32702 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 16:19:14 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO carotid.ccs.lanl.gov) (128.165.148.162) by 128.165.148.1 with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 16:19:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 11185 invoked by uid 3499); 5 Dec 2002 16:19:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 16:19:14 -0700 From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@carotid.ccs.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release In-Reply-To: <14ddda316a23859e87ebf64703dfb813@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:19:14 -0700 (MST) russ, thanks for this. Our plan is to include this server in our v9fs source tree, and to create an updated v9fs which will talk 9p2000 so that we can use your server. It's great to see you folks releasing software this way. Please tell the folks at Lucent Legal that DOE will make use of your software in its computing facilities, if that helps with any other license issues. Thanks again ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 08:59:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 08:59:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25349 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 08:59:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25338 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 08:59:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 08:59:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2760319A2F; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:59:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C4CA19A31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gB5Nsr501368; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:54:53 -0600 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] ArXiv: Weaves... Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:54:53 -0600 (CST) Hi, I was looking at the arXiv at lanl.gov for interesting things to read and came across Srinidhi Varadarajan's paper "The Weaves Reconfigurable Programming Framework". It provides an alternative (middle-of-the-road) to threads and processes as a computing model. I'd be interested in discussing it with anyone who has used it (especially if they were interested in porting to Plan 9). My motivation is to find a mechanism to allow non-Plan 9 OS'es to participate in the process cloud. I'm interested in any input regarding operational issues, scaling, and OS transparency. Please contact me directly if interested in discussing it. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 09:57:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 09:57:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27314 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 09:57:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27309 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 09:57:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 09:57:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AAD9419A2D; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:57:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (unknown [217.78.76.180]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 14A7E19A31 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:56:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Mr. Daniel Osondu" To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021206005600.14A7E19A31@mail.cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Business Preposition (Inheritance Claim) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:05:33 From: Mr.Daniel Osondu Fax: Number +23417597019 Dear Sir, I am writing this proposal hoping that you would be of assistance in this business of mutual benefit. 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Regards, Mr. Daniel Osondu confidential e-mail From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 09:58:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 09:58:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27368 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 09:58:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27362 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 09:58:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 09:58:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D97319A31; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:58:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (unknown [217.78.76.180]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 960FA19A27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:56:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Mr. Daniel Osondu" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021206005635.960FA19A27@mail.cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Business Preposition (Inheritance Claim) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:06:12 From: Mr.Daniel Osondu Fax: Number +23417597019 Dear Sir, I am writing this proposal hoping that you would be of assistance in this business of mutual benefit. My name is Daniel Osondu an auditor at one of the Banks in lagos-Nigeria. During our last audit exercise,some amount of money totalling $18.5Million was discovered and traced to be owned by one late Engineer Manfred Becker, a foreigner who died in a crash. The source of this fund was further traced to be a contract payment made to him but has remained unclaimed till now.Since his death, nobody has shown up to claim this fund and this attracted our curiosity. I therefore made a research and found out that he did not leave any next of kin in his confidential document with the Ministry that he executed the contract for and also with our Bank. A panel setup by the Federal Government on recovery of funds expects that this fund should be unquestionably claimed by any of his available foreign next of kin or alternatively the fund should be donated for arms and ammunition at a military war college here in Nigeria. Fervent valuable efforts were made by the Panel to get in touch with any of the family or relatives but all have proved to no avail. It is because of the perceived possibility of not going to be able to locate any next of kin ( he had no wife and children) that the panel under the influence of our chairman, Rtd Major General Thomas Danababa , that arrangement is being made for the fund to be declared UNCLAIMABLED and then be donated to the Trust Fund for arms and ammunition which will further enhance the perpetration of war in Africa and the third world in general. To forestall this move, my colleagues and I have taken it upon ourselves to source for a foreign partner who could assist in claimimg this fund for further transfer abroad. I have been given the sole mandate to source for a partner as soon as possible to that effect.All documents and proof to enable you get this fund have been carefully worked out and I am assuring you a 100% risk free involvement. Your share would be 30% of the total amount if you agree to assist while 10% would be set aside to offset all expenses in course of the transfer and the rest would be for us for investment purposes in your country. If this proposal is OK by you, and you do wish to take the advantage of the trust we hope to bestow on you and your company, then kindly reach me immediately via my confidential fax number +23417597019 furnishing me with your most confidential telephone and fax numbers and exclusive email so that I can forward to you the relevant details of the transaction. I expect your urgent response. Regards, Mr. Daniel Osondu confidential e-mail From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 10:30:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 10:30:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28384 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 10:30:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28380 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 10:30:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 10:30:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63B8C19A5A; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:30:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B84819A3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:29:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52320e9aad83bf6c2aeaaa7ad9cf2f0f@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Mr. Daniel Osondu" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Business Prepositions (Inheritance Claim) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:29:43 -0500 From: Mr.Daniel Osondu Fax: Number +23417597019 Dear Sir, I am writing this proposal hoping that you would be OF assistance IN this business OF mutual benefit. My name is Daniel Osondu an auditor AT one OF the Banks IN lagos-Nigeria. During our last audit exercise, some amount OF money totalling $18.5Million was discovered and traced to be owned BY one late Engineer Manfred Becker, a foreigner who died IN a crash. The source OF this fund was further traced to be a contract payment made TO him but has remained unclaimed TILL now. Since his death, nobody has shown up to claim this fund and this attracted our curiosity. I therefore made a research and found out that he did not leave any next OF kin IN his confidential document WITH the Ministry that he executed the contract FOR and also WITH our Bank. A panel setup BY the Federal Government ON recovery OF funds expects that this fund should be unquestionably claimed BY any OF his available foreign next OF kin or alternatively the fund should be donated FOR arms and ammunition AT a military war college here IN Nigeria. Fervent valuable efforts were made BY the Panel to get IN touch WITH any OF the family or relatives but all have proved TO no avail. It is because OF the perceived possibility OF not going to be able to locate any next OF kin (he had no wife and children) that the panel UNDER the influence OF our chairman, Rtd Major General Thomas Danababa, that arrangement is being made FOR the fund to be declared unclaimable and then be donated TO the Trust Fund FOR arms and ammunition which will further enhance the perpetration OF war IN Africa and the third world IN general. To forestall this move, my colleagues and I have taken it UPON ourselves to source FOR a foreign partner who could assist IN claimimg this fund FOR further transfer abroad. I have been given the sole mandate to source FOR a partner as soon as possible TO that effect. All documents and proof to enable you get this fund have been carefully worked out and I am assuring you a 100% risk free involvement. Your share would be 30% OF the total amount if you agree to assist while 10% would be set aside to offset all expenses IN course OF the transfer and the rest would be FOR us FOR investment purposes IN your country. If this proposal is ok BY you, and you do wish to take the advantage OF the trust we hope to bestow ON you and your company, then kindly reach me immediately VIA my confidential fax number +23417597019 furnishing me WITH your most confidential telephone and fax numbers and exclusive email so that I can forward TO you the relevant details OF the transaction. I expect your urgent response. 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with SMTP id DB13E19A4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13371 invoked by uid 991); 6 Dec 2002 04:18:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20021206041809.13370.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Scott Schwartz Subject: [9fans] testing and p9fmt Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 23:18:09 -0500 This message is testing a change to our mailing list software. But as long as you're listening, the p9fmt library that Russ mentioned recently needs a tweak to compile on Solaris. In strtod.c #ifdef __sun #include #define nan(x) quiet_nan(0) #endif In Makefile, CFLAGS=-xO5 -xipo=1 LDLIBS=/opt/SUNWspro/lib/libsunmath.so LDFLAGS=-R/opt/SUNWspro/lib [The -xipo flag turns on optimization in the linker, which is more Plan 9-like. :)] From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 13:50:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 13:50:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2870 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 13:50:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2812 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 13:49:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 13:49:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0B3819A02; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:49:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E273F19A4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 23:48:47 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.231.69 ([141.154.231.69]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 23:48:46 EST 2002 Message-ID: <6bb8da20ac2ae249d4af55bea2d5e7b0@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] testing and p9fmt From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:48:54 -0500 There are a few other things to be aware of. First, fmtdef.h says typedef unsigned long uvlong; which should be typedef unsigned long long uvlong; on systems that support it. As for nan, I believe that this static uvlong uvnan = 0x7FF0000000000001; double nan(double *d) { USED(d); return *(double*)&uvnan; } will work on systems that need it, as long as they use 64-bit doubles. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 14:26:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 14:26:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4211 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 14:26:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4205 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 14:26:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 14:26:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1B1B19A5F; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:26:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 196A619A5B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BF037 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D1B4275; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:25:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:25:46 -0500 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] testing and p9fmt Message-ID: <20021206052546.GA19018@mero.morphisms.net> References: <6bb8da20ac2ae249d4af55bea2d5e7b0@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6bb8da20ac2ae249d4af55bea2d5e7b0@plan9.bell-labs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 11:48:54PM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > There are a few other things to be aware of. You also want to define _POSIX_SOURCE (e.g. by using -posix on FreeBSD) or remove the ushort and uint typedefs on BSD. -WJ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 17:36:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 17:36:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11333 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 17:36:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11329 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 17:36:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 17:36:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B198B19A29; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:36:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52B7219A06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB68ZUL7022038 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:35:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <408203ed27da400ea3c445b1783b6fb2@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] One last check of steps for bootstrapping fs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:50:09 -0500 Are these the right steps? 1. build floppy with 9pcfs kernel/plan9.ini - Done -- Because I'm not upgrading from 3rd ed, I didn't uncomment the authdisable flag. <<<< IS THIS CORRECT? 2. boot fs - configure fs, including reaming main and other. - do "passwd" for bootes - do "users default" 3. mount new fs from cpu/auth+kfs. copy /dist contents over. 4. check /rc/bin/cpurc /rc/bin/termrc and /lib/ndb/local for consistency now that we have an fs (I'm not sure what I need to be looking for here but maybe it is obvious when I get to it --- obviously turning kfs off is one). 5. restart fs - do the config exactly as before but without reaming <<<< IS THIS CORRECT? - newuser fst, etc. etc. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 17:46:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 17:46:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11581 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 17:46:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11577 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 17:46:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 17:46:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20A8D19A4A; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:46:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BD8719A2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:45:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8ae2d39b36508ece093fd11facc5bc43@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] One last check of steps for bootstrapping fs From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:45:12 -0800 That sounds mostly right. Don't worry about authdisable. If you need to use it (and I've never used it yet), it's now a file server console command, so you can turn auth on and off at will. I think in step 3, you want to copy /adm over and then type "users" on the file server console. You may need to type "allow" on either file server beforehand and "disallow" after; just try the plain copy first and see. I'm not sure that step 5 is needed, but just to clarify, "ream" and "recover" (and a few other config commands, like "copyworm") are one-time commands, not configuration state. They are not remembered. So you don't need to change your configuration just to avoid a second reaming. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 18:23:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 18:23:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12336 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 18:23:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12325 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 18:23:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 18:23:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25F3C19A6E; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 04:23:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 404BD19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 04:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB69MLL7012333 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:22:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] One last check of steps for bootstrapping fs From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:37:04 -0500 Excellent information. I certainly was confused about the distinction between one-time commands and config states. Thanks. > That sounds mostly right. Don't worry about authdisable. If you need > to use it (and I've never used it yet), it's now a file server console > command, so you can turn auth on and off at will. I think in step 3, > you want to copy /adm over and then type "users" on the file server > console. You may need to type "allow" on either file server > beforehand and "disallow" after; just try the plain copy first and > see. > > I'm not sure that step 5 is needed, but just to clarify, "ream" and > "recover" (and a few other config commands, like "copyworm") are > one-time commands, not configuration state. They are not remembered. > So you don't need to change your configuration just to avoid a second > reaming. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 20:12:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 20:12:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14207 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 20:12:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14203 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 20:12:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 20:12:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3245019A29; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:12:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF6E6199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6BBgL7003557 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:11:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94494b461e64d79fd30fc98bd548da3d@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] fs SCSI errors Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:26:25 -0500 After giving the the initial config somewhere in the initialization the following messages appear in a continous loop: scsi#0.0: retry 10 cmd #25 wreninit: w0 bad status -0004 scsi#0.0: test, status -4 I get that something is wrong with the first scsi disk. Any ideas what the problem is and what causes this? FYI, w0 drive is a 9.1GB Seagate Cheetah. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 20:28:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 20:28:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14540 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 20:28:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14536 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 20:28:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 20:28:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67B7C19A27; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:28:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7D9F1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:27:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ad1996b72f8692f8f4a3b1c114fff8f@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs SCSI errors From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:26:59 -0800 What's the configuration of your file server, in particular the filsys declarations? What SCSI devices are at which target numbers? Are they all turned on and spun up? Is your SCSI bus (or buses) terminated correctly? Has the disk in question been used successfully on any machine before? recently? Which SCSI host adapter are you using? Has it been used successfully before? Does your SCSI BIOS spin up all the drives (it's an option in the BIOS)? If you're using a Mylex (Buslogic) host adapter, you can type control-B when its BIOS runs at boot-time, and from there scan your SCSI bus to see what the controller thinks is there, and you can interrogate the devices a little too. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 22:13:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 22:13:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16164 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 22:13:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16160 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 22:13:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 22:13:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A182199B6; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:13:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail01.cna.ne.jp (d61-196-127-002.cna.ne.jp [61.196.127.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A88B7199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4695 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 22:12:00 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO may.localnet) ([61.196.124.126]) (envelope-sender ) by mail01 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 6 Dec 2002 22:12:00 +0900 Message-ID: <4f28ab3319fe5b81c168b9fb6b42328e@cna.ne.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum problem fix From: pwfmfx@cna.ne.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:12:08 +0900 Oh, sorry. Here's one. /* bind in the default network and cs */ static int bindnetcs(void) { int srvfd; if(access("/net/tcp", AEXIST) < 0) bind("#I", "/net", MBEFORE); if(access("/net/cs", AEXIST) < 0){ if((srvfd = open("#s/cs", ORDWR)) < 0) return -1; if(mount(srvfd, -1, "/net", MBEFORE, "") < 0){ close(srvfd); return -1; } close(srvfd); } return 0; } I've changed it to close srvfd when mount succeeds. Thanks. -- Mamoru Sato From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 23:21:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 23:21:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17011 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 23:21:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17007 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 23:21:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 23:21:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 726A9199E8; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:21:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2FC9D1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([61.211.130.19]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 23:19:57 JST 2002 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Kenji Arisawa To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Subject: [9fans] getfields() Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:19:56 +0900 Hello, Is the following is a specification or bug? #include #include void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char *args[2]; char *line; line = "##alice###bob###"; getfields(line, args, 2, 1, "#"); print("%s,%s\n", args[0], args[1]); } The output is: alice,bob### Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 01:08:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 01:08:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18242 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 01:08:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18238 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 01:08:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:08:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 221AF199BF; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:08:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE49919988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 6 11:07:28 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.24 ([141.154.230.24]) by plan9; Fri Dec 6 11:07:26 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum problem fix From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:07:27 -0500 > I've changed it to close srvfd when mount succeeds. Confusingly, mount does that for you. From bind(2): The file descriptor fd is automatically closed by a success- ful mount call. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 01:36:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 01:36:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18432 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 01:36:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18428 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 01:36:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:36:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B688019981; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:36:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (unknown [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F0800199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:35:04 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Received: from ccMail by snellwilcox.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.51.00.11) id 3072350095; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:35:02 +0000 Importance: normal Priority: normal Message-Id: <3072350095@snellwilcox.com> X-MIME-Engine: v0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Id: <3072350095-1@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] 100BaseT PCMCIA ? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:33:48 +0000 Hi, There was talk of a port of the 3Com 3c547 10/100 Mbps Ether card, I think it was linked to the cardbus (rather than PCMCIA) driver release. Did the 3c547 driver ever appear? Alternatively is there another 100BaseT PCMCIA supported? -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 01:57:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 01:57:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18591 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 01:57:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18587 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 01:57:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:57:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94F4119A0D; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:57:15 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A858D19A27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB6Gx7t03995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:59:07 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/Mixed; BOUNDARY="571241096-2048503275-1039193848=:3978" Content-ID: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:59:07 -0500 (EST) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --571241096-2048503275-1039193848=:3978 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: In the event you don't already have one you like ... 1.2w /lib/face/48x48x4/j/j.1 !echo 'ssz.com/unknown j/j.1' >> /lib/face/48x48x4/.dict I knew I'ld be able to contribute to the community somehow. Sam > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > > > > It strikes me as being very close, at least in intent, to the BSD > > > licence. 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From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:32:34 -0500 > Excellent information. I certainly was confused about > the distinction between one-time commands and config states. Speaking of this.... Someone over in Japan changed the fileserver kernel to have a ``noneattach'' command similar to that in KFS a few months ago. Any chance we can get a similar thing put into the mainline fileserver kernel? That'd be swell. - Dan C. 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2002 02:45:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 02:45:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07240199EE; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:45:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D91E1199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:44:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <06b0efc5b992d3c28581a18eb09a9196@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] getfields() MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-yzpfhoxrpvbhvktffnwafurrfh" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:44:29 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-yzpfhoxrpvbhvktffnwafurrfh Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think its a 'lack of a specification' bug. I would find it surprising if I hadn't seen the code and just read the man page. If I can't figure out a reasonable way to explain it in the man page, I'll change the code. --upas-yzpfhoxrpvbhvktffnwafurrfh Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 6 09:21:16 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Fri Dec 6 09:21:15 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A536199E3; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:21:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2FC9D1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([61.211.130.19]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 23:19:57 JST 2002 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Kenji Arisawa To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Subject: [9fans] getfields() Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:19:56 +0900 Hello, Is the following is a specification or bug? #include #include void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char *args[2]; char *line; line = "##alice###bob###"; getfields(line, args, 2, 1, "#"); print("%s,%s\n", args[0], args[1]); } The output is: alice,bob### Kenji Arisawa --upas-yzpfhoxrpvbhvktffnwafurrfh-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 04:14:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 04:14:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19748 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 04:14:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19744 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 04:14:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 04:14:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AAF3F19A1C; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:14:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8973C199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6JDTL7022056 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:13:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9b8fa8604ef5f9faaa7cf457a5483f2d@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs SCSI errors From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:28:10 -0500 Thanks to your questions and a little more sleep, it occured to me that this system has two SCSI controllers. The onboard one is an Adaptec AIC-7880 and the second (in a PCI slot) is a combo board with a Symbios 53C875. The kernel detected the second one and I assumed that was the first controller. The disks are on the Adaptec 7880 controller for which there are no drivers. I will switch to the second controller and see if I have better luck with w8 and w9. > What's the configuration of your file server, in particular the filsys > declarations? What SCSI devices are at which target numbers? Are > they all turned on and spun up? Is your SCSI bus (or buses) > terminated correctly? Has the disk in question been used successfully > on any machine before? recently? Which SCSI host adapter are you > using? Has it been used successfully before? Does your SCSI BIOS > spin up all the drives (it's an option in the BIOS)? filsys main cw0f{h0h1} # only one IDE controller filsys dump o filsys other w1 The drives have SCSI ID 0 and 1 (both are Seagate ST39103LW) I hear them spin up. I've also used the SCSI utilities (Adaptec AIC-78xx SCSISelect utility) to format and verify the media. They were both known working just before I formatted them (RH/Linux on one and Win98/dos on the other). All cables and the terminator seem secure. There are two SCSI controllers one is built into the motherboard and the other is in a PCI slot. <...revelation, or perhaps duh...> > > If you're using a Mylex (Buslogic) host adapter, you can type > control-B when its BIOS runs at boot-time, and from there scan your > SCSI bus to see what the controller thinks is there, and you can > interrogate the devices a little too. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 09:30:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 09:30:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22855 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 09:30:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22851 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 09:30:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 09:30:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2AB49199D7; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:30:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8FA4E199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:29:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47b95ac768dea5763633b96399f9feea@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:29:00 -0800 I find rules such as this in my pipeto file handy for filtering noise: upas/filter -h $1 $2 \ '(^|\n)From:.*[^a-z]turkey@gobblers\.r\.us($|[>, ])' /dev/null \ [...] From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 17:54:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 17:54:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30825 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 17:54:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30821 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 17:54:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 17:54:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3CE119A02; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:54:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail01.cna.ne.jp (d61-196-127-002.cna.ne.jp [61.196.127.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 832BF1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11710 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 17:53:49 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO may.localnet) ([61.196.124.49]) (envelope-sender ) by mail01 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 7 Dec 2002 17:53:49 +0900 Message-ID: <618b1e52e53645400543f942778c4a86@cna.ne.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum problem fix From: pwfmfx@cna.ne.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:53:55 +0900 > The file descriptor fd is automatically closed by a success- > ful mount call. Oh! I didn't notice that. I should have read documents more carefully... Excuse me for wasting time.;-) -- Mamoru Sato From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 8 00:40:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 8 00:40:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2599 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2002 00:40:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2595 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 00:40:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 00:40:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25CA019A06; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:40:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDD30199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB7FgNt05921 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:42:25 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] terminal crash Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:42:23 -0500 (EST) I just had my terminal crash. I was running acme, vncv, and vt in a terminal window. vncv was in focus and I was in deep thought while moving the mouse back and forth over an X window causing twm to make it come in-focus, then out (don't ask - we all have our methods). Here's the panic: cpu0: registers for vncv 4331 FLAGS=10286 TRAP=E ECODE=0 PC=80178AA2 SS=0008 USP=80BA2018 AX 00000007 BX 00000003 CX 00000000 DX 00000000 SI 806D86E8 DI 806D8640 BP 00000013 CS 0010 DS 0008 ED 0008 FS 001B GS 001B CR0 80010039 CR2 00000043 CR3 02781000 CR4 000000D0 MCA 00000000 MCT 00000000 ur 806D85B4 up 8027F768 panic: fault: 0x43 I still have the ktrace on the screen and would be happy to do the copy to paper, paper to new terminal if it's helpful. I'll probably reboot it in about ten minutes if no one claims it's useful. Cheers, sam From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 9 07:55:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 9 07:55:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25477 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2002 07:55:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25473 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 07:55:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 07:55:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA5A519AA3; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:55:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.monitorbm.co.nz (www.monitorbm.co.nz [203.167.201.38]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B2C0F19AA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29103 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 22:54:13 -0000 Received: from mercury.mbmnz.co.nz (HELO MERCURY) (192.168.0.63) by mail.monitorbm.co.nz with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 22:54:13 -0000 From: "Andrew Simmons" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3DF4847E.13576.1027AB0B@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: [9fans] Thinkpad 380xd installation Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:54:38 +1300 I just installed the 4th edition on an IBM Thinkpad 380xd. Generally it was vastly easier than installing Windows 95 on the same machine - congratulations & thanks to whoever is responsible for the installation process. I got a bit confused at the end, when booting using the win9x startup menu option. Basically I couldn't find any trace of a plan9.ini, and the machine came up in 640x480x8 video mode and couldn't find the mouse on com port 1. Eventually I created a plan9.ini in c:\plan9, using the plan9ini.bak from the install process as a basis, and this seems to work fine. Is this the way things are supposed to happen, or did I cock something up during the installation? I'd also appreciate any guidance on configuring the system to see my Ethernet card - all I know is that it's an IBM Etherjet PCMCIA card. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 9 08:09:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 9 08:09:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25574 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2002 08:09:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25570 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 08:09:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 08:09:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 010DC19AA8; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:09:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8843019AA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Dec 8 18:08:36 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.235.224 ([141.154.235.224]) by plan9; Sun Dec 8 18:08:35 EST 2002 Message-ID: <34ffa44dbca09847f577039e72cd3e67@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Thinkpad 380xd installation From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:08:33 -0500 > using the win9x startup menu option. Basically I couldn't find any > trace of a plan9.ini, and the machine came up in 640x480x8 video mode > and couldn't find the mouse on com port 1. Eventually I created a > plan9.ini in c:\plan9, using the plan9ini.bak from the install > process as a basis, and this seems to work fine. Is this the way > things are supposed to happen, or did I cock something up during the > installation? This is what's supposed to happen, though I admit it's not particularly well documented. Plan9.ini is created in 9fat (which you can't get at from Win9x), but if there's one in c:\plan9 it overrides the one in 9fat. Plan9ini.bak is intended for exactly that purpose. 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The possibilities are endless.Email hmwkco@citiz.net with 'more info' in subject line for more information ======================================================================== zzKQMBMVSgugxFJBgRAezAIERCvNYoRDVJiBxZwDXQhiwYoAVCqdCePymNWiWNAQ --FVUZBXPDUWKEGBB-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 9 16:52:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 9 16:52:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9637 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2002 16:52:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9632 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 16:52:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 16:52:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7214D19AB6; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:52:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2544919991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3016 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 07:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 07:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 07:51:52 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id gB97ppv31394; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:51:52 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:51:47 +0900 > Thanks for srvssh. What is srvssh? How does it differ from `execnet and ssh'? I wasn't able to find srvssh on /n/sources. Thank you. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 9 17:10:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 9 17:10:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10240 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2002 17:10:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10236 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 17:10:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 17:10:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E575419991; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:10:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AB3819AA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 9 03:09:38 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.235.224 ([141.154.235.224]) by plan9; Mon Dec 9 03:09:37 EST 2002 Message-ID: <390212623d2d48ae65cfa727a916ef3c@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:09:33 -0500 > What is srvssh? How does it differ from `execnet and ssh'? > I wasn't able to find srvssh on /n/sources. Srvssh serves the same purpose as execnet and ssh. Instead of using execnet, it uses the new -e flag to srv. It also hides a lot of the grime involved. You don't have to set up the script on the other side. It's a shell script -- /rc/bin/srvssh. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 10 04:04:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 10 04:04:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20298 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Dec 2002 04:04:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20294 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 04:04:35 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 04:04:35 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4469319991; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C63AE19AAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e.9netics.com ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9J3UPq002376 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:03:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <282fce2b59adf2cde0de387d185c6515@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Wahoo!!! -- thanks guys Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:17:21 -0500 I am now running with a full fledged fileserver and cpu+auth. It has been running for over a day now and It is great. I can see the advantages already. Thank you all, for all your first-rate help. A few interesting things: 1. Attaching a mouse on the fs console is not a good idea. I don't know why but when I first booted fs (before I got smart enough and disconnected the mice from the cpu and fs) the keyboard input went dead; fortunately it was very early in the configuration and no problem with pressing reset. 2. The last part of the wiki page on building fs needs updating/clean up especially the part on how to get the initial root setup. I'll update that wiki page over the next day or so. It seems it was edited by several people and the information doesn't flow correctly. The actual steps are easy. I would recommend using mkfs+mkext for this step. Nemo hints at this in forsyth's notes on 3e→4e migration. 3. An advice to others that want to do this: don't schedule a surgery the same week you are building an cpu/auth+fs. The rest of this message is for those who enjoy commiserating, or just schadenfreude: I spent most of my time fighting hardware issues, most of it dealing with scsi cables once I switched over to the unused controller. The reason for switching to the second controller (Symbios 53c875) was because the first controller (Adaptec 7880) is not supported. Adding to the problem was a 20 mile round trip plus a ferry ride each way, to the parts store; The first cable was too short because the orientation of the connector was off by 180°. Then there was a bent scsi connector pin which caused one drive not to show, and finally a bad ethernet card. But that still doesn't explain why it would take a week to do this. Well, you see, my wife had to have shoulder surgery earlier in the week. It was scheduled, and I had been warned not to plan on doing anything else for a few weeks, as I would essentially be a man servant. So there you have it. Special thanks to Geoff, Dave and Russ. 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(littlegreenmen.armory.com [192.122.209.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2A9BF19A54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 196 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2002 01:59:09 -0000 From: Phil White To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cash back refinances Message-ID: <20021211015909.GA192@littlegreenmen.armory.com> References: <028a41d35d0d$4387c6b6$8ee68db4@ylbxci> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <028a41d35d0d$4387c6b6$8ee68db4@ylbxci> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:59:09 -0800 I think our access times are pretty good, so I'm afraid we'll have to decline. -Phil/CERisE From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 10:17:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 10:17:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23288 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 10:17:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23283 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 10:17:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 10:17:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C00719AE4; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:17:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3149219AF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13212 invoked by uid 991); 11 Dec 2002 01:16:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20021211011638.13211.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> From: "Scott Schwartz" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] bouncing mail Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: 10 Dec 2002 20:16:38 -0500 Help me out here.... someone is forwarding 9fans to moritzk@t-email.co.uk and that address generating bounces. Whoever it is, contact me off list. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 13:10:57 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 13:10:57 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29556 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 13:10:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29514 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 13:10:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 13:10:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C227719B0B; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:10:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FA0C19B07 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e.9netics.com ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB49eLC029319 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:09:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:23:26 -0500 Does anyone have any experience providing auth/fs access to terms over the internet with only a single static IP? Any advice or caveats? Thanks. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 17:38:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 17:38:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9706 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 17:38:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9702 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 17:38:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 17:38:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5081419B0F; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:38:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA6AF19B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:37:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0d9a8467d01c9f02195c3b87df3b8330@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:37:14 +0100 Do you mean running both a file server and auth server with a single static IP? You could install a standalone cpu (auth) server and use the kfs listen to export its kfs as the file server. Not a real file server but might be enough for you. Do you also want your terminals to be diskless? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 18:47:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 18:47:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11329 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 18:47:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11325 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 18:47:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 18:47:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60E6E19B0E; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:47:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 900C519B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:46:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] trfs updated in sources Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:46:14 +0100 We changed it to fix a silly bug and also to translate ()&' besides white space. It seems that these days people name their mp3 files like in '01 - a nice song (you''ll enjoy it & have fun).mp3' ugh. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 18:59:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 18:59:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11515 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 18:59:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11510 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 18:59:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 18:59:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5275E19B0E; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:59:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70AAE19B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18M3Z3-0002JB-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:54:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Jeff Sickel Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Subject: [9fans] sshnet usage? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:52:52 GMT Is there a way to use sshnet as a tunel between two networks? My understanding from the man page is that it can forward packets but all I've been able to do is establish a connection with one machine. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 19:58:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 19:58:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12546 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 19:58:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12542 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 19:58:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 19:58:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E209019B10; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:58:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1D6F19B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e.9netics.com ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBAvBK0022062 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:57:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:11:34 -0500 > Do you mean running both a file server and auth server with > a single static IP? Sort of. I pay my DSL provider an extra charge to get the same IP address every time I connect to them (PPPoE). I have a NAT/firewall box that is the gateway and routes some configured ports on the external (static) IP address to the (internal) auth+cpu server. > > You could install a standalone cpu (auth) server and use the kfs listen > to export its kfs as the file server. Not a real file server but > might be enough for you. Do you also want your terminals to be > diskless? I would prefer not to run a local kfs at "term" locations. I would like to work on the same system with a couple of associates who do their work from remote locations. What about using drawterm? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 20:18:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 20:18:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12820 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 20:18:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12816 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 20:18:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 20:18:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1553919B0D; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:18:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7937219AC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:17:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:17:27 +0100 You could use drawterm, but I'd try first to get real terminals working. However, I don't know if anyone has tried the same setting you want to get. I think that time ago terminals couldn't boot from a remote kfs, I don't know if that's still the case (you could just try). But you could always put enough at your terminals to get the system up and them mount / from the remote kfs, which would be almost like booting from it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 23:00:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 23:00:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15058 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 23:00:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15054 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 23:00:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 23:00:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F34DD19B18; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:00:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6688119B13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 08:59:32 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.217 ([141.154.232.217]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 08:59:31 EST 2002 Message-ID: <21317b9382d83885fbd6edd9f9d885d7@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:59:33 -0500 If you're talking about booting from kfs (rather than a real fs, in which case IL will cause problems), it's not hard. You can't fetch the kernel over the wide-area network, but that's the only problem. If you have the kernel on a floppy and put the auth and fs info into plan9.ini, that's enough to get going. I've done this for booting terminals from a standalone kfs/auth across campus and it worked reasonably well. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 23:01:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 23:01:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15086 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 23:01:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15082 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 23:01:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 23:01:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3378619B16; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:01:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66E6819B11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 09:00:39 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.217 ([141.154.232.217]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 09:00:38 EST 2002 Message-ID: <49dc1bf3de93e43ffcbcf9613d18d7fb@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] sshnet usage? From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:00:44 -0500 > Is there a way to use sshnet as a tunel between two networks? How exactly do you want this tunnel to behave? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 00:03:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 00:03:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15887 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 00:03:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15883 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 00:03:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 00:03:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5C26719B10; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:03:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C670919B1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18M8AX-0000Tw-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:49:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Jeff Sickel Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK References: <49dc1bf3de93e43ffcbcf9613d18d7fb@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] sshnet usage? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:47:12 GMT >> Is there a way to use sshnet as a tunel between two networks? > How exactly do you want this tunnel to behave? I can currently reach another network via two ssh hops. Meaning that any files I need transfered between the machines on either end of the connections currently have to be transfered by making two scp hops. This is a problem as the middle machine doesn't have much disk space. So ideally I would like to run u9fs at one endpoint and sshnet behave as the tunnel. Am I just incorrect in my interpretation of the man page? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 00:50:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 00:50:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16643 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 00:50:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16639 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 00:50:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 00:50:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48BF819A67; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:50:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6310219A67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 10:49:42 EST 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.241 ([18.24.6.241]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 10:49:40 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] sshnet usage? From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:49:41 -0500 > I can currently reach another network via two ssh hops. Meaning > that any files I need transfered between the machines on either > end of the connections currently have to be transfered by making > two scp hops. This is a problem as the middle machine doesn't have > much disk space. So ideally I would like to run u9fs at one endpoint > and sshnet behave as the tunnel. > > Am I just incorrect in my interpretation of the man page? No, I was just confused about how transparent you wanted the tunnel to be. As long as you only need the tunnel to be one way, this is easy. Basically, if you do sshnet hop1 mntgen srvssh hop2 (assuming u9fs is in your path on hop2), that posts the u9fs service in /srv/hop2, so that then running mntgen 9fs hop2 in any other window (even without the sshnet) will mount /n/hop2. (You could just create /n/hop2, or put mntgen in your profile.) If you want more than just ssh access to the network, you could adapt the following: g% cat /usr/rsc/bin/rc/mit #!/bin/rc if(test -d /net/mit){ echo 'already have /net/mit' >[1=2] exit recursion } if(test -f /srv/mit) mount /srv/mit /net.mit if not sshnet -m /net.mit -s mit ny.lcs.mit.edu if(! test -d /net.mit/tcp){ echo 'no /net.mit/tcp' >[1=2] exit network } aux/stub -d /net/mit bind /net.mit/tcp /net/mit g% This is like just running sshnet, but you end up being able to decide, on a per-call basis, which network gets used: addresses like wherever or tcp!wherever still go out on the local network, while addresses like mit!wherever go out over the sshnet tunnel. If you are using mntgen you could change the /net.mit's to /n/net.mit to avoid creating another directory in the root. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 02:14:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 02:14:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17423 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 02:14:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17419 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 02:14:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 02:14:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6AF4819B23; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:14:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8052919AFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18MACL-0003hS-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:59:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Jeff Sickel Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK References: Subject: Re: [9fans] sshnet usage? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:56:16 GMT Russ Cox wrote: > No, I was just confused about how transparent you > wanted the tunnel to be. As long as you only need the > tunnel to be one way, this is easy. > Basically, if you do > sshnet hop1 > mntgen > srvssh hop2 > (assuming u9fs is in your path on hop2), > that posts the u9fs service in /srv/hop2, > so that then running > mntgen > 9fs hop2 Thanks. This is exactly what I was wanting to do. So much more to learn... Jeff From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 02:16:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 02:16:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17470 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 02:16:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17466 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 02:16:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 02:16:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDCDF19AE9; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:16:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from 9srv.net (sdsl-64-32-179-35.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [64.32.179.35]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21E6619B24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:15:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8a91f6264cf5ee8aaa994d95638db50d@9srv.net> From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:12:05 -0500 for dealing with accessing a real file server (which talks IL) over the internet (particularly through NAT boxes), can't one use a cpu server running trampoline via listen on the fs tcp ports to forward on to the fs over IL? that's assuming you can set up a cpu server at the same location as the fs, of course. but it'd also eliminate the problems with only having one ip addr, as the only one you'd need would be for the cpu server. you can give the fs some dummy addr, on 10.x or whatever. i *think* i've done this, and had it work, but that setup has been disasembled and shipped to various parts of the world, so this is from memory. my current setup allows me to use an IP per box. ã‚¢ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 02:27:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 02:27:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17816 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 02:27:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17812 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 02:27:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 02:27:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D393919B2B; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:27:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C89D619B25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:26:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <64e4551a1e03712257fe30129a45bdf7@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:26:10 +0100 Someone here used `import $cpu /blah' from a cpu server when he had problems connecting to the file server via il. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 02:52:47 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 02:52:47 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18024 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 02:52:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18020 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 02:52:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 02:52:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 636F019B3E; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:52:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A41219B2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18151 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:51:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBHpgd5017205 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:51:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBBHpgf11676 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:51:42 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200212111751.gBBHpgf11676@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:12:05 -0500." <8a91f6264cf5ee8aaa994d95638db50d@9srv.net> References: <8a91f6264cf5ee8aaa994d95638db50d@9srv.net> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:51:42 +0100 in my case, the terminal is behind NAT, the fs, cpu and auth server are not. The terminal accesses the il-speaking fs (not for booting, just for mounting once we are up and running) via trampoline running on the cpu server (with thanks to Russ for adding -9 flag to trampoline). The terminal also accesses the auth server. I suppose you can run trampoline on auth instead of cpu server, to have ``everything'' from one machine, or, alternatively, if you want to have both an auth and a cpu server, and those on the net only see the cpu server, I suppose you can forward auth requests from cpu server to auth server (also using trampoline, on different ports -- is this even the standard set-up? I recall seeing such forwarding somewhere in the /rc/bin/service directory or so?) Axel. > for dealing with accessing a real file server (which > talks IL) over the internet (particularly through NAT > boxes), can't one use a cpu server running trampoline > via listen on the fs tcp ports to forward on to the > fs over IL? > that's assuming you can set up a cpu server at the same > location as the fs, of course. but it'd also eliminate > the problems with only having one ip addr, as the only > one you'd need would be for the cpu server. you can give > the fs some dummy addr, on 10.x or whatever. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 03:01:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 03:01:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18098 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 03:01:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18094 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 03:01:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 03:01:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23F3C19B3D; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:01:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B852319B2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e.9netics.com ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBI0CK0014433 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:00:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:14:36 -0500 > can't one use a cpu server running trampoline > via listen on the fs tcp ports to forward on to the > fs over IL? From what I can tell from reading the code (is there a man page for trampoline?) it seems uncomplicated. To be certain, the kfs service routine on the cpu+auth would trampoline the requests to il!fs. Also, (I hope this isn't sacrilege), what would be involved in effort and design to allow fs to talk over TCP? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 03:04:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 03:04:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18123 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 03:04:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18119 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 03:04:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 03:04:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E7D819B20; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:04:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F79E19B3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:03:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5803f4c94ec45536fc8b2d38f3b4ca0e@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:03:25 +0100 The ip stack of the file server does not include tcp, AFAIK. I'd perhaps wait for venti. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 03:06:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 03:06:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18149 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 03:06:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18145 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 03:06:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 03:06:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 177C519B46; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:06:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFFBF19B49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 13:04:59 EST 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.241 ([18.24.6.241]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 13:04:58 EST 2002 Message-ID: <9febd63f2b14d9cec4cd1703135d0dfb@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:04:55 -0500 > Also, (I hope this isn't sacrilege), what would be involved > in effort and design to allow fs to talk over TCP? you'd have to write a tcp stack for the fs kernel. not worth it. the new file server will run as a user-space program on a normal kernel and speak tcp; then il can be retired. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 04:13:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 04:13:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18802 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 04:13:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18798 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 04:13:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 04:13:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E4C919991; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:13:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mxzilla3.xs4all.nl (mxzilla3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.49]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39F001998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.3.11]) by mxzilla3.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gBBJCpiZ085628 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:12:52 +0100 (CET) Received: (from scusi@localhost) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gBBJCpg74999 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:12:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from scusi) From: Scusi To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20021211191251.GA95863@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:12:51 +0100 Hi plan9-fans, I installed plan9 on a IBM T20 Laptop last night. I'm already a fan, a great OS so far. It's a bit strange in the beginning, but once you found out it's very consistent. I already know i like it. The only thing i really miss is perl, but well seems i have to port it ;-). hoever since this is my first plan9 install i thought it's a good idea to setup a auth and cpu server (for maybe more plan9 machines following) I stuck somewhere in the middle of the wiki docu about "Configuring a standalone CPU server" I established a nvram, like described in the docu after rebooting plan9 also complains about it, but it does not ask for the password and the auth id. Any ideas ? Another thing is the wavelan support. I have a Orinoco Gold Card from Lucent. I compiled wavelan into my kernel, the kernel also detects the wavelan IF on startup, but i can't find the device. Do i have to make a device like in Linux and Solaris ? Also my /rc/bin/cpurc (i edited like the doku sais) does not seems to be read/executet, at least there is not network conectivity after startup. If i do it by hand on a term (like the example in ipconfig manpage) it works and i can ping hosts, resolve dns names. Also i would like to know how to mount a floppy disk (e.g. the install disk, to have a look at plan9.ini on there) Is there any more docu around (or maybe a good book) will help me to get settled in with plan9 ? If these questions are in the docu and i was just too stupid to find it flame me with RTFM if you like, i really tried but sorry. Thanks so far /scusi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 04:25:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 04:25:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18941 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 04:25:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18937 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 04:25:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 04:25:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 764CC199B3; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:25:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0538319981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 14:24:01 EST 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.241 ([18.24.6.241]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 14:24:00 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:24:07 -0500 > The only thing i really miss is perl, but well seems i have to port it ;-). Perl is ported. See /n/sources/extra/perl.iso.bz2 > from Lucent. I compiled wavelan into my kernel, the kernel also detects > the wavelan IF on startup, but i can't find the device. > Do i have to make a device like in Linux and Solaris ? It should be /net/ether0 in your namespace. If not, does ls -l '#l' produce anything useful? > Also my /rc/bin/cpurc (i edited like the doku sais) does not seems > to be read/executet, at least there is not network conectivity after startup. > If i do it by hand on a term (like the example in ipconfig manpage) > it works and i can ping hosts, resolve dns names. Perhaps you are booting a terminal kernel (which uses /rc/bin/termrc)? > Also i would like to know how to mount a floppy disk (e.g. the install disk, > to have a look at plan9.ini on there) a: ls -l /n/a: > Is there any more docu around (or maybe a good book) will help me to get settled in > with plan9 ? The wiki is supposed to be the source for such things, though it's necessarily incomplete. I don't think there are any books. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 09:17:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 09:17:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22249 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 09:17:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22244 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 09:17:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 09:17:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7690619995; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:17:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75A8519991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:16:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8d3c9c51edaabf726e415e3dd5ca04a1@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:16:50 -0800 I believe Skip's problem is that he's got 001 IP addresses from his DSL provider, and that's needed for his DSL router or bridge that is also doing NAT. NAT implementations generally don't understand IL, but most of them allow incoming calls to specific ports to be forwarded to specified internal machines. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 11:36:41 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 11:36:41 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28102 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 11:36:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28098 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 11:36:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 11:36:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77E301998A; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:36:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.monitorbm.co.nz (mail.monitorbm.co.nz [203.167.201.38]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B6AC9199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24212 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 02:35:15 -0000 Received: from mercury.mbmnz.co.nz (HELO MERCURY) (192.168.0.63) by mail.monitorbm.co.nz with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 02:35:15 -0000 From: "Andrew Simmons" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions Message-ID: <3DF8ACCB.2626.20651854@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:35:39 +1300 > I don't think there are any books. There's an oldish (pre-rio) book in German: "Das Netzbetriebssystem Plan 9 - Konzepte und Programmierung" by H.P. Bischof, G. Imeyer, B. K=FChl, A.T. Schreiner , ISBN: 3-446-18881-9 which taught me that the German for "shell" is "Kommandointerpreter". From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 11:53:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 11:53:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28652 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 11:53:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28648 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 11:53:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 11:53:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4D711998C; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:53:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EF63A19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4311 invoked by uid 18927); 12 Dec 2002 02:46:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 02:46:26 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions In-Reply-To: <3DF8ACCB.2626.20651854@localhost> Message-ID: <20021211193646.U609-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:46:25 -0700 (MST) and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should become a book :) though it is now outdated (and probably at a lower level than they were looking for): =09http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/~nemo/9.ps.gz (i googled the link, so i guess nobody's going to be mad at me for posting it)... now drifting offtopic: i don't know about KommandoInterpreter, but when i was a kid i thought that command.com was some sort of a game featuring arnold schwarzenegger (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0088944) On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Andrew Simmons wrote: > > I don't think there are any books. > > There's an oldish (pre-rio) book in German: > > "Das Netzbetriebssystem Plan 9 - Konzepte und Programmierung" by H.P. > Bischof, G. Imeyer, B. K=FChl, A.T. Schreiner , ISBN: 3-446-18881-9 > > which taught me that the German for "shell" is "Kommandointerpreter". > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 11:58:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 11:58:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28820 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 11:58:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28816 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 11:58:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 11:58:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F125B199BB; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:58:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from unicorn.math.spbu.ru (unicorn.math.spbu.ru [195.19.226.166]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB519199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from vugluskr@localhost) by unicorn.math.spbu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02756 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:57:35 +0300 From: "Roman V. Shaposhnick" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20021212055735.A2709@unicorn.math.spbu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Subject: [9fans] passtokey question Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:57:35 +0300 I'm quite new to the world of auth related algorithms, so my question might be a FAQish one, but nevertheless, here it is anyway. Why passtokey works the way it does. I suppose there were some security related considerations, by I can't seem to grasp, why, for example, this is being done: for(i = 0; i < DESKEYLEN; i++) key[i] = (t[i] >> i) + (t[i+1] << (8 - (i+1))); where you kinda shuffle bytes around, but why ? Just to stuff 8 bytes from t into 7 bytes of key ? On the similar note, why did you chose to re-encode parts of t with a previous key, and not some other way of stuffing long passwords into 7bytes long DES key ? Thanks, Roman. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 12:26:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 12:26:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30146 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 12:26:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30142 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 12:26:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 12:26:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87BFC199BF; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:26:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B139199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:25:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6f12e91dbc4ee6c9cd5b2bf33429ac06@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] passtokey question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-bgjhrqrilyrkhtkryzdxedzmdg" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:25:26 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-bgjhrqrilyrkhtkryzdxedzmdg Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The original passtokey took a (at most) 8 byte key and turned it into a 56 bit DES key. The easiest way to do it was to throw out the high order bit since it conveyed no information in ASCII, a 7 bit encodeing. It survived our excursion into UTF encoding mostly by inertia and a desire not to retype everyone's keys into the auth server should we do something else, like take 56 bits of the sha1 encoding of the key + a salt. --upas-bgjhrqrilyrkhtkryzdxedzmdg Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 21:58:17 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 21:58:16 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0664E199B6; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:58:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from unicorn.math.spbu.ru (unicorn.math.spbu.ru [195.19.226.166]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB519199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from vugluskr@localhost) by unicorn.math.spbu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02756 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:57:35 +0300 From: "Roman V. Shaposhnick" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20021212055735.A2709@unicorn.math.spbu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Subject: [9fans] passtokey question Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:57:35 +0300 I'm quite new to the world of auth related algorithms, so my question might be a FAQish one, but nevertheless, here it is anyway. Why passtokey works the way it does. I suppose there were some security related considerations, by I can't seem to grasp, why, for example, this is being done: for(i = 0; i < DESKEYLEN; i++) key[i] = (t[i] >> i) + (t[i+1] << (8 - (i+1))); where you kinda shuffle bytes around, but why ? Just to stuff 8 bytes from t into 7 bytes of key ? On the similar note, why did you chose to re-encode parts of t with a previous key, and not some other way of stuffing long passwords into 7bytes long DES key ? Thanks, Roman. --upas-bgjhrqrilyrkhtkryzdxedzmdg-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 14:15:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 14:15:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1352 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 14:15:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1348 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 14:15:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 14:15:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D762219999; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:15:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from unicorn.math.spbu.ru (unicorn.math.spbu.ru [195.19.226.166]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9728419981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from vugluskr@localhost) by unicorn.math.spbu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03322 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:14:39 +0300 From: "Roman V. Shaposhnick" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] passtokey question Message-ID: <20021212081439.A3309@unicorn.math.spbu.ru> References: <6f12e91dbc4ee6c9cd5b2bf33429ac06@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <6f12e91dbc4ee6c9cd5b2bf33429ac06@plan9.bell-labs.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:14:39 +0300 On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 10:25:26PM -0500, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > The original passtokey took a (at most) 8 byte key and turned it into > a 56 bit DES key. The easiest way to do it was to throw out the > high order bit since it conveyed no information in ASCII, a 7 bit > encodeing. It survived our excursion into UTF encoding mostly > by inertia and a desire not to retype everyone's keys into the > auth server should we do something else, like take 56 bits of the > sha1 encoding of the key + a salt. Thanks. That explains the first part very nicely, but what about the second part, where you're using key built-so-far to econde the rest of the given password over and over again ? Is there something special about this approach, or is it there by a mere chance ? Thanks, Roman. P.S. Pardon my ignorance, but do you know about any other softwre that has something similat to passtokey ? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 16:22:36 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 16:22:36 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5349 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 16:22:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5345 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 16:22:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 16:22:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D56F4199A3; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:22:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.145]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB25019995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021212072147.GUXA2889.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:21:47 +1300 Received: from [210.54.117.36] by mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021212072147.VHAP6714.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@[210.54.117.36]> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:21:47 +1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Subject: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions From: "Andrew Simmons" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021212072147.VHAP6714.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@[210.54.117.36]> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:20:29 +1300 Oh dear, I'm afraid it's only just occurred to me that Scusi was trolling. Perhaps I should send a platoon of Kommandointerpreters to have a word with him/her. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 17:35:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 17:35:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7737 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 17:35:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7732 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 17:35:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 17:35:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 931DE199BC; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:35:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0679619981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:34:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0ecda395045b27db86faba0fb215e171@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:34:36 +0100 > and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should > become a book :) > > though it is now outdated (and probably at a lower level than they > were looking for): It's still in my to-do list to update it and add something about plumbing and one of the drivers. But that wont be before the next semester. Regarding publication, AWL said there's no market for it. Then I tried peer-to-peer (the publisher of Lion's book), but they are no longer in the business. If any of you have a suggestion for a different publisher, just let me know. > (i googled the link, so i guess nobody's going to be mad at me > for posting it)... And of course, feel free to pass it around, make copies or whatever. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 18:17:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 18:17:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8603 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 18:17:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8599 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 18:17:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 18:17:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37C11199A3; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:17:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (unknown [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3278119981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:16:19 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Received: from ccMail by snellwilcox.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.51.00.11) id 3627984449; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:16:19 +0000 Importance: normal Priority: normal Message-Id: <3627984449@snellwilcox.com> X-MIME-Engine: v0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Id: <3627984449-1@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] 3 machine / local & wan functionality Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:14:33 +0000 Hi, I am considering a full (3 machine) Plan9 system at home, using an fs, a cpu/auth server and a terminal. I also want to be able to be able to dual boot the terminal into NT (for my other half) and to access the FS from work. I am planning configure the cpu server as a gateway (with two ether cards) and put a "trampoline" between /alt.net and /net for http (NT used only for web browsing). To access from work I would boot from a floppy (as described on the list) and then mount the fs across the Internet. Is this a sane idea? Is this enough to give me the functionality I want without being too vulnerable to being "hacked to death"? -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 18:50:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 18:50:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9209 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 18:50:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9205 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 18:50:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 18:50:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7BAF3199BF; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:50:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C216F199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:49:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 3 machine / local & wan functionality From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-pdftsuehejhcbakjqushmreipu" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:49:16 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-pdftsuehejhcbakjqushmreipu Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It sounds reasonable. Anyway, we here run without /alt.net, so we have no need for a `trampoline'. If you can't get different real ip addresses things can be different for you, though. --upas-pdftsuehejhcbakjqushmreipu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Thu Dec 12 10:17:22 MET 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37C11199A3; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:17:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (unknown [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3278119981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:16:19 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Received: from ccMail by snellwilcox.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.51.00.11) id 3627984449; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:16:19 +0000 Importance: normal Priority: normal Message-Id: <3627984449@snellwilcox.com> X-MIME-Engine: v0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Id: <3627984449-1@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] 3 machine / local & wan functionality Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:14:33 +0000 Hi, I am considering a full (3 machine) Plan9 system at home, using an fs, a cpu/auth server and a terminal. I also want to be able to be able to dual boot the terminal into NT (for my other half) and to access the FS from work. I am planning configure the cpu server as a gateway (with two ether cards) and put a "trampoline" between /alt.net and /net for http (NT used only for web browsing). To access from work I would boot from a floppy (as described on the list) and then mount the fs across the Internet. Is this a sane idea? Is this enough to give me the functionality I want without being too vulnerable to being "hacked to death"? -Steve --upas-pdftsuehejhcbakjqushmreipu-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 19:14:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 19:14:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9632 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 19:14:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9625 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 19:14:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 19:14:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD6EE199BF; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:14:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from theraft.strakt.com (theraft.strakt.com [62.13.29.34]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C4FB019999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from strakt.com (boyd@zode.strakt.com [62.13.29.39]) by theraft.strakt.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gBCADsFl031843 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:13:54 +0100 Message-ID: <3DF86162.9000900@strakt.com> From: Boyd Roberts User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020623 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] passtokey question References: <20021212055735.A2709@unicorn.math.spbu.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:13:54 +0100 Roman V. Shaposhnick wrote: >On the similar note, why did you chose to re-encode parts of t with >a previous key, and not some other way of stuffing long passwords >into 7bytes long DES key ? > This was probably done to reduce the the possibility that the key would be limited to typeable/printable ASCII. Any limit of the keyspace will make brute forcing easier. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 23:07:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 23:07:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13217 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 23:07:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13213 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 23:07:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 23:07:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D529B199EE; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:07:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5159199E4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:06:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <91050fd4ead87f311095e5301b5d349d@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] passtokey question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:06:33 -0500 We needed a mixing (i.e. hash) algorithm to go from > 56 bits to 56 bits. At the time DES was the best mixing algorithm we had. It was, and still is, used in a number of pseudo random number generators so there was some precedent. If I had to do it from scratch today, I'ld probably run sha1 or mda5. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 02:21:48 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 02:21:48 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15243 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 02:21:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15239 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 02:21:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 02:21:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A64719992; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:21:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mxzilla2.xs4all.nl (mxzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.50]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5011C19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.3.11]) by mxzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gBCHKcCZ024067; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:20:44 +0100 (CET) Received: (from scusi@localhost) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gBCHKcK04338; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:20:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from scusi) From: Scusi To: Andrew Simmons Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions Message-ID: <20021212172038.GA85462@xs4all.nl> References: <3DF8ACCB.2626.20651854@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <3DF8ACCB.2626.20651854@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:20:38 +0100 Hi Andrew, Thanks for the info, since i can speak and read german, no prob i gonna get this book. CU /~scusi On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 03:35:39PM +1300, Andrew Simmons wrote: > > I don't think there are any books. > > There's an oldish (pre-rio) book in German: > > "Das Netzbetriebssystem Plan 9 - Konzepte und Programmierung" by H.P. > Bischof, G. Imeyer, B. Kühl, A.T. Schreiner , ISBN: 3-446-18881-9 > > which taught me that the German for "shell" is "Kommandointerpreter". Yeah right a shell is a "Kommando(zeilen)interpreter" or called a "befehlszeile" in german. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 02:25:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 02:25:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15276 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 02:25:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15272 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 02:25:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 02:25:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2F971998C; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:25:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mxzilla1.xs4all.nl (mxzilla1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 82764199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.3.11]) by mxzilla1.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gBCHOoW2084191; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:24:51 +0100 (CET) Received: (from scusi@localhost) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gBCHOoa05057; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:24:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from scusi) From: Scusi To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: andrey mirtchovski Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions Message-ID: <20021212172450.GA4961@xs4all.nl> References: <3DF8ACCB.2626.20651854@localhost> <20021211193646.U609-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20021211193646.U609-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:24:50 +0100 Hi andrey, hi *, I get a access denied if i try to get the file, seems the rights are set in a way prevent you from downloading. but i will may find another source (mirror) or so, haven't tried yet. but thanx anyway /~scusi On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 07:46:25PM -0700, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should > become a book :) > > though it is now outdated (and probably at a lower level than they > were looking for): > > http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/~nemo/9.ps.gz > > (i googled the link, so i guess nobody's going to be mad at me > for posting it)... > > now drifting offtopic: i don't know about KommandoInterpreter, but > when i was a kid i thought that command.com was some sort of a game > featuring arnold schwarzenegger (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0088944) > > On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Andrew Simmons wrote: > > > > I don't think there are any books. > > > > There's an oldish (pre-rio) book in German: > > > > "Das Netzbetriebssystem Plan 9 - Konzepte und Programmierung" by H.P. > > Bischof, G. Imeyer, B. Kühl, A.T. Schreiner , ISBN: 3-446-18881-9 > > > > which taught me that the German for "shell" is "Kommandointerpreter". > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 02:35:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 02:35:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15347 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 02:35:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15343 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 02:35:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 02:35:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3874B199ED; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:35:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mxzilla4.xs4all.nl (mxzilla4.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.48]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D083219992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.3.11]) by mxzilla4.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gBCHYa2f056709; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:34:36 +0100 (CET) Received: (from scusi@localhost) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gBCHYaw06560; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:34:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from scusi) From: Scusi To: "Fco.J.Ballesteros" Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions Message-ID: <20021212173436.GB4961@xs4all.nl> References: <0ecda395045b27db86faba0fb215e171@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0ecda395045b27db86faba0fb215e171@plan9.escet.urjc.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:34:36 +0100 Hi Nemo, actually i know a publisher, my dad. my dad has a little pubblishing company (really very little) but he can bring out books (that get an ISBN Number, so it can be ordered in most bookstores) they also have a website you can order stuff (books, cd's) from. This pubblishing business is normaly just for publications my dad other company produces, but i guess he will bring it out if i ask him. But the work (make it ready for publishing, peer review it....) has to be done by someone else. BTW / FYI: all the current stuff publiushed there is availible at: So as long a my dad has not much work with it, and he will get his costs back (e.g. for packing and sending stuff over to ppl ordered it...) it won't be a problem to publish it, also not if there is "no market", i mean the other stuff there is also just interesting for a small group of ppl. However come back to me if you are interested. CU /~scusi On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 09:34:36AM +0100, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > > and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should > > become a book :) > > > > though it is now outdated (and probably at a lower level than they > > were looking for): > > > It's still in my to-do list to update it and add something about > plumbing and one of the drivers. But that wont be before the next > semester. > > Regarding publication, AWL said there's no market for it. Then I > tried peer-to-peer (the publisher of Lion's book), but they are no > longer in the business. If any of you have a suggestion for a > different publisher, just let me know. > > > (i googled the link, so i guess nobody's going to be mad at me > > for posting it)... > > And of course, feel free to pass it around, make copies or whatever. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 05:55:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 05:55:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16780 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 05:55:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16776 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 05:55:35 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 05:55:35 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 93CB519992; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:55:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.dirac.net (unknown [151.196.211.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C5F51199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27925 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2002 20:53:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20021212205339.27924.qmail@mail.dirac.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions From: Keith Nash Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: 12 Dec 2002 20:53:39 -0000 > and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should > become a book :) > If any of you have a suggestion for a different publisher, > just let me know. I have friends who were in small-time publishing about 7 years ago. In those days, a paperback print run was 1000 minimum, with larger runs at low incremental cost. It will be a problem to sell this number of books, or anything like it, whether through mail order or via booksellers. Advertising would be futile. A different option is for contributed material to be included in the official manuals. There could be a 3rd volume of "Contributed" material, or the new stuff could be added to the "Documents" volume (which I expect would be the cheaper route). Alternatively, since the only likely purchasers are subscribers to this list, we could collect pre-orders (e.g. through Vita Nuova, or Scusi's dad's company), and only print the book if there is sufficient interest. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 11:38:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 11:38:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23657 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 11:38:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23653 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 11:38:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 11:38:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC34E199D5; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:38:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51F0C199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from acl.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/(ccn-5)) with SMTP id gBD2bcgp025531 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:37:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 69345 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 19:37:38 -0700 Received: from acl.lanl.gov (dpx@128.165.147.1) by acl.lanl.gov with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 19:37:38 -0700 From: Dean Prichard To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions In-Reply-To: <20021211193646.U609-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: dpx@lanl.gov List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:37:37 -0700 On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:46:25 -0700 (MST) > From: andrey mirtchovski > Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions > > and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should > become a book :) > > though it is now outdated (and probably at a lower level than they > were looking for): > > http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/~nemo/9.ps.gz > > (i googled the link, so i guess nobody's going to be mad at me > for posting it)... > I have to say Nemo's commentary is a great resource. I've read through it and the underlying code many times now, and i'm still learning from it. Many thanks to Nemo and all who contributed to the plan9 source. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 17:31:35 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 17:31:35 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4154 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 17:31:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4149 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 17:31:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:31:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55CEF199B6; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:31:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2203119999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 03:30:55 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 03:30:53 EST 2002 Message-ID: <1c373859cbec9c275e5d8ca2ea2bea67@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] updates on sources Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:30:50 -0500 I pushed out a few big updates this evening. * The %s and %S verbs no longer require the string to be nul-terminated if a precision is given. This is the way the old print library behaved, and it's useful when you're doing various text processing. Thanks to rog. This is not actually that big a change except that it changes every binary in the system. Sigh. Eventually the print library will stabilize. * The libmemdraw and libmemlayer libraries have been updated to handle the full suite of Porter-Duff compositing operators. Devdraw is updated too (it's a backwards-compatible change to the protocol) though draw(3) and libdraw are not yet updated. That will happen in the next few days. I'll post more then. Thanks to Vita Nuova (specifically jrf, I believe) for the code. * The kernel build process has changed a bit, mainly to make it easier to put all sorts of cruft into the root file system. Details in an email to follow. * More venti tools. Details in an email to follow. * Might as well mention that ssh supports agent forwarding. ssh -f unix will set up agent forwarding so that if you run "ssh elsewhere" on the unix machine, the RSA authentication happens via factotum. This is a few weeks old, but I never mentioned it. * I installed new kernels into /386. If you have done a recent install (so echo $bootfile says sdC0!fs!/386/9pcdisk instead of sdC0!9fat!9pcdisk.gz) then you'll boot the new kernel automatically when you reboot. Otherwise you'll need to copy it to 9fat. If you're booting striaght out of /386 and find that the new kernel doesn't work for you, edit your plan9.ini (or copy c:/plan9/plan9ini.bak to c:/plan9/plan9.ini and edit that) and change the boot file to /386/_9pcdisk.gz, which is the old kernel (and then tell us; mail 9trouble). As a reminder, pc/bootfloppy /dev/fd0disk plan9.ini can be used to make a new boot floppy. * Sources is now running the 4e file server as a field test. If you see anything strange, please let us know. As usual, if you don't want to download the changed binaries one by one, you can download a bleeding edge CD image from the updates page and use that (usually they're updated a few hours from now, but I just did a manual update, so it's there as you read this). Enjoy. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 17:33:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 17:33:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4201 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 17:33:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4197 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 17:33:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:33:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2825E199DD; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:33:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34DA9199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 03:32:52 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 03:32:51 EST 2002 Message-ID: <606456fcdc17ce997666a1895d86f9ba@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] kernel config changes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:32:49 -0500 There is a new kernel config file section called "bootdir" that lists the files to be placed in #//boot. There are no binaries in #/ itself anymore. A typical bootdir section might look like bootdir bootpcdisk.out boot /386/bin/ip/ipconfig /386/bin/auth/factotum /386/bin/disk/kfs /386/bin/cfs which says that /boot will contain four files: boot, ipconfig, factotum, kfs, and cfs, copied from the paths listed. The kernels have always special cased boot$CONF.out to get it listed as /boot. It is now /boot/boot, and no longer a special case. Now that everything is in /boot, initcode had to change for all the kernels; /boot/boot itself had to change to exec /boot/ipconfig (instead of /ipconfig), etc. Finally, auth_getkey changed. It looks for /factotum and then /boot/factotum, to deal with either type of kernel. The boot file /386/bin/ip/ipconfig (e.g.) turns into _386_bin_ip_ipconfig.root.s and then _386_bin_ip_ipconfig.root.8. It's a bit of an ugly name, but mk clean will get rid of them. You could imagine just using the last path element, but that might lead to weird build inconsistencies if kernels were using two different files with the same last element. One unfortunate consequence of the big name is that _386_bin_auth_factotum.root.s is too long for the current file servers to deal with. You could use lnfs to get around this, but I didn't want to require lnfs for the kernel build, so we have a rule in portmkfile that copies factotum and ipconfig to factotum.hack and ipconfig.hack and then the bootdir section actually looks like: bootdir bootpcdisk.out boot ipconfig.hack ipconfig factotum.hack factotum /386/bin/disk/kfs /386/bin/cfs sadly. That will go away when we get long file names. The pc initcode is also changed. Whereas before it used to do exec("/boot", ["boot", 0]); in hand-coded assembly (pc/initcode.s), it now does open("#c/cons", OREAD); open("#c/cons", OWRITE); open("#c/cons", OWRITE); bind("#c", "/dev", MAFTER); bind("#ec", "/env", MAFTER); bind("#e", "/env", MCREATE|MAFTER); bind("#s", "/srv", MREPL|MCREATE); execl("/boot/boot", "/boot/boot", 0); in C (port/initcode.c). The point is to set up enough of a namespace that /boot/boot can be a shell script. Eventually the other architectures should change too, though it's not urgent. If someone wants to do the bitsy, send me mail and I'll let you know what it took to get one of the old undistributed mips kernels changed over. (The compiler setup is similar.) As a much bigger example, I built a kernel called pcext the other night. It uses rx and trampoline to connect through a Plan 9 gateway machine to the root file server. It uses this bootdir: bootdir bootext boot /386/bin/rc /rc/lib/rcmain /386/bin/bind /386/bin/cat /386/bin/cp /386/bin/echo /386/bin/mount /386/bin/sleep factotum.hack factotum /386/bin/ip/ipconfig /386/bin/cfs /386/bin/aux/srvthru (and does require lnfs to build). Srvthru is the obvious program -- it connects to rx, authenticates, starts trampoline to the real file server, and then optionally pushes cfs onto the connection. The point is that bootext is a shell script, which makes it easier to tweak than when /boot was a binary building out of /sys/src/9/boot. #!/boot/rc -m /boot/rcmain cd /boot cp '#r/rtc' '#c/time' bind -a /boot /bin bind -a '#I' /net bind -a '#l0' /net bind -a '#S' /dev bind '#p' /proc bind '#d' /fd bind -a /boot / ipconfig echo 'authdom=cs.bell-labs.com auth=204.178.31.3' >>/net/ndb factotum -sfactotum -u -a 204.178.31.3 cargs=() if(~ $#cfs 1 && ! ~ $cfs off) cargs=(-c $cfs) srvthru $cargs tcp!204.178.31.2!17009 il!emelie!9fs boot emelie mount -c /srv/boot /root bind -ac /root / bind -c /root/mnt /mnt mount -a '#s/factotum' /mnt rootdir=/root rootspec='' /386/init -t /boot/rc -m/boot/rcmain -i # in case init fails It takes care of everything /boot traditionally does, using srvthru as the way to establish /srv/boot (and also /srv/emelie, just for kicks). Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 17:35:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 17:35:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4244 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 17:35:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4240 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 17:35:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:35:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A019199E4; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:35:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AEE97199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 03:34:00 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 03:33:59 EST 2002 Message-ID: <843640f2f39e2d6ceb9d27b976980d20@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] more fun with venti Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:33:56 -0500 Some more utilities for managing your Venti server(s). First, venti/copy moves a whole block tree from one Venti server to another. You give it the hash for a block and it copies that block as well as all the blocks pointed at, and so on. See ventiaux(8) for the full story. For example, if you just did vac -h thisventi and got vac:b5b95f71c552bfa785c6200c5c928ffc52d41edb then you could run venti/copy thisventi thatventi b5b95f71c552bfa785c6200c5c928ffc52d41edb to move the whole tree over to thatventi. Second, the shell script /sys/src/cmd/venti/backup.example uses venti/wrarena to incrementally backup one Venti server onto another. For example, I use this variant of it to copy from my laptop's local Venti server to my desktop machine's local Venti server (which eventually gets copied onto CDs). #!/bin/rc rfork e venti=192.168.0.51 . bkup.info fn x { echo x $* y=$1 if(~ $#$y 0){ $y=0 } echo venti/wrarena -o $2 $3 $$y end=`{venti/wrarena -o $2 $3 $$y | grep '^end offset ' | sed 's/^end offset //'} if(~ $#end 1 && ! ~ $$y $end){ $y=$end whatis $y >>bkup.info } } hget http://127.1:8000/index | awk ' /^index=/ { blockSize=0+substr($3, 11); } /^arena=/ { arena=substr($1, 7); } /^ arena=/ { start=0+substr($5, 2)-blockSize; printf("x %s %d %s\n", arena, start, $3); } ' |rc It's a little rough, but good enough to run in a nightly cron job. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 17:55:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 17:55:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4703 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 17:55:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4699 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 17:55:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:55:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B769D19A06; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:55:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0328199E8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:54:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <13617df20853ba6ca35273bac15860bb@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:54:24 +0100 > I get a access denied if i try to get the file, Can you try http://plan9.escet.urjc.es/who/nemo/9.ps.gz ? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 19:14:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 19:14:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6304 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 19:14:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6300 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 19:14:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 19:14:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B028199EC; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 05:14:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E074219980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 05:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18Mmaz-000040-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:59:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: north_ Message-ID: <48effcda.0212121400.5e77b94d@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] [7f Bugfix] Plan9 FS Realtek Driver Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:57:22 GMT Hello, all! I hope everyone is enjoying their winter as much as I am! Our small coat of snow is making for great photography, here. The following summarizes my general work on a bug that renders the realtek ethernet card unusable on the plan9 file server kernel. The bug, in the realtek driver, causes any packet read from the network to be discarded. I was finally able to run an entire plan9 network (cpu, auth, term, fs) due to the amiable donation of three workstations from Countrywide Financial. Despite this much appreciated gift, I found myself unable to run a file server due to a lack of ethernet cards (and a distrust of the realtek 8139). After reading through the fs source code, I realized that the realtek *should* work after a few quick fixes to the driver. Once these fixes were solidified in a kernel build, I have found the card to (surprisingly) be very stable over the past week. Latency is low, data corruption has not been evident, etc, so, I feel very confident that this fix will work well with anyone utilizing the realtek. Aside from normal fs usage, I (of course) had to pull the entire ISO over the network to create the initial file system. I used this as a base stress test. Large files and large clusters of small files were also shuttled back and forth to test data corruption. Normal network traffic tests show no problems, either. Thanks to all of the Bell Labs crew that gave me pointers on hardware. The bugfix can be located at: http://www.7f.no-ip.com/bugfix/7f20021203-1.tgz Don One Twenty Seven Research and Development From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 22:45:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 22:45:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9805 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 22:45:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9801 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 22:45:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 22:45:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B61FA19A08; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:45:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A104199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gBDDebC31561 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:40:37 -0600 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1c373859cbec9c275e5d8ca2ea2bea67@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Q: Using Plan 9 documentation in talks? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:40:37 -0600 (CST) Hi, I've been asked to give a short (ie 1 hour) talk on Plan 9 to the Austin Robot Group in Feb. As a result I am starting to put a presentation together and was wondering what the limitations were regarding using diagrams and pieces of text in such a talk. An example is that I intend to use 'Diagram 1' from "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" early in the talk. What sort of notice is required? Would a single statement at the beginning stating that pieces of the presentation are from the Plan 9 source material be sufficient or do I need to have a tag on each such snippet? Are there any examples of other presentations that might be available for reference? If we can get the hardware resources pulled together I intend to create a demo network consisting of the following: I/O-Auth I/O 2 Process Filesystem We may drop this due to the necessary effort, the site doesn't have Internet access so we can't use the existing Hangar 18 network unfortunately. If anyone else has done anything remotely like this I'd appreciate hearing about your experience (ie things to watch out for or focus on). If I could gain access to your presentation material it would be greatly appreciated. I'd be happy to give credit where it is due. Thanks. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 00:12:36 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 00:12:36 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10691 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 00:12:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10687 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 00:12:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 00:12:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F2E0199B6; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:12:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1068819992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:11:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Q: Using Plan 9 documentation in talks? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:11:39 +0100 The cdrom can be used to boot from it which makes a cool demo. You don't need anything else. Of course a network would be more impressive, but you said you had no network there. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 00:21:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 00:21:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10760 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 00:21:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10756 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 00:21:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 00:21:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DD5A199EE; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:21:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.mightycheese.com (mail.mightycheese.com [209.61.186.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4E9B199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [66.171.61.59] (HELO [192.168.0.2]) by mail.mightycheese.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with ESMTP id 405393 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:20:28 -0600 From: rob pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Q: Using Plan 9 documentation in talks? Message-ID: <119346380.1039764142@[192.168.0.2]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:22:22 -0800 It's called Figure 1, not Diagram 1, and it's required in all Plan 9 presentations except the auth talk, in which case use Figure 1a. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 00:25:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 00:25:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10780 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 00:25:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10776 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 00:25:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 00:25:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32C811998C; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:25:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0755419980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14216 invoked by uid 18927); 13 Dec 2002 15:18:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 15:18:05 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Q: Using Plan 9 documentation in talks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021213081425.W12125-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:18:05 -0700 (MST) last time i gave a demo of plan 9 i just sat down with a laptop and showed what it was to use the system. in my experience that's much better than all the pretty powerpoint one can get... 'now this is the kernel, see how small' 'this is how a pipe works' 'binding namespaces in the same directory works like that' 'see me cpu to another machine, look at how 'stats' reacts' it is best if there are at least a cpu server or two... On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > The cdrom can be used to boot from it which makes a cool demo. > You don't need anything else. Of course a network would be more > impressive, but you said you had no network there. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 00:25:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 00:25:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10787 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 00:25:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10783 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 00:25:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 00:25:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E6C0619A05; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:25:16 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACE1819980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.18]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021213152422.LEDY22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:24:22 +0000 Message-ID: <03fa01c2a2bb$6f312130$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Q: Using Plan 9 documentation in talks? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:22:22 -0000 Try something from the mailing list. How about : "The Plan 9 community is so damned inbred it isn't funny, and it -will- cause Plan 9 to fail. -YOU- will cause it to fail." From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 00:53:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 00:53:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11087 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 00:53:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11083 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 00:53:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 00:53:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4699199EC; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:53:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A80E8199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 10:52:36 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 10:52:35 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [7f Bugfix] Plan9 FS Realtek Driver From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:52:32 -0500 Thanks for the report. Geoff Collyer sent in a slightly different fix that works within the compat.h macros, and that fix is now on sources. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 01:33:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 01:33:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11330 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 01:33:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11326 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 01:33:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 01:33:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E705B19A06; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:33:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B445919981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5] by tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (SMTPD32-6.06) id A84E85E00FE; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:18:22 -0800 Received: FROM x33o50.meridian.wednet.edu BY tractor.meridian.wednet.edu ; Fri Dec 13 08:18:21 2002 -0800 Subject: Re: [9fans] kernel config changes From: Jack Johnson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <606456fcdc17ce997666a1895d86f9ba@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <606456fcdc17ce997666a1895d86f9ba@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Message-Id: <1039797172.1326.10.camel@x33o50> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: 13 Dec 2002 08:32:47 -0800 On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 00:32, Russ Cox wrote: > The point is that bootext is a shell script, which > makes it easier to tweak than when /boot was a > binary building out of /sys/src/9/boot. The stuff that can be accomplished in Plan 9 with shell scripts never ceases to amaze me. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 02:38:40 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 02:38:40 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11758 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 02:38:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11754 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 02:38:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 02:38:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 325A819A06; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:38:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from web21406.mail.yahoo.com (web21406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.76]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 30DC3199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:37:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021213173710.55173.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.2.74.219] by web21406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:37:10 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Elizabeth=20Strumph?= To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] i810 onboard graphics @ > 640x480 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:37:10 +0000 (GMT) Hallo, I've been using a machine w/ i810 onboard graphics (its a HP ePC, so no PCI/AGP slots). I can run happilee at 640x480x24, but nothing greater -- I just get a blank screen, which I figure means signal is out of range. However the monitor is a Sony G410 that can do 1600x1200 @ 85Hz. Any ideas ? Thanks much. --Elizabeth __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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