From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 1 11:26:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19909 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:26:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from new.borf.com (new.borf.com [205.185.197.9]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19904 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pdl@localhost) by new.borf.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03516 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:20:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter LeBlond Message-Id: <200006011520.LAA03516@new.borf.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] I need help with ViRGE based video card Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have an updated vgadb with an entry for the card I'm trying to use, a Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 vers. 1.04 and I have what I think is a recent virge.c. I have c ompiled the virge.c and yet I still cannot get the card to work in any res > 640x480x1. It is connected to a Sun 17" monitor, but I have left monitor=vga in my plan9.ini. Could that be the source of my problem. Do I need to do anything special once I compile virge.c to get the new code to work? Perhaps I do not have the correct version of virge.c as I know that there are a ton of S3 ViRGE chipsets. If anybody has a newer version or ideas as to what is wrong I would greatly appreciate any help you can give me. Peter LeBlond pdl@borf.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 1 16:36:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28297 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:36:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28293 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:36:05 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006012036.QAA28293@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:35:41 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] I need help with ViRGE based video card MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The ViRGE requires code both in aux/vga and in the kernel vgas3 driver. I did have this exact card at one time but it has disappeared, probably into someone's home terminal, so I can't check which exact ViRGE chip it has. When trying out a new VGA card, a multisync monitor is a must. If you can be patient a little longer, some new code may come your way (along with some new problems...). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 1 16:44:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28700 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:44:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28693 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006012044.QAA28693@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:44:02 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware compati list for new release? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu There is no hardware list as yet, but trawling through the 9fans archives should give an idea of what we've tried. The ATI Mach64 cards are the best supported, there's even some acceleration used. Currently, only the aging Mylex (was Buslogic) PCI and EISA Multimaster SCSI cards and the Symbios (was NCR, now LsiLogic) 53C8XX series SCSI chips have drivers. The Symbios chips can be found on many OEM cards (sorry, I don't have a list) and on many motherboards (but sadly not as many as the Adaptec chips). Contact your local LsiLogic rep. to find where you can buy the cards they make themselves, they're very reasonably priced. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 2 05:18:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09280 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:18:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09271 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from symnt3.Cadence.COM (symnt3.Cadence.COM [194.32.101.100]) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02977 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by symnt3.cadence.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:16:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF08C3@symnt3.cadence.com> From: Nigel Roles To: "'9fans@cse.psu.edu'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] LSI Logic/Symbios/NCR SCSI support Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:38:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Received: By mailgate.Cadence.COM as CAA02977 at Fri Jun 2 02:18:35 2000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Any card containing one of the following chips is supported NCR53C810 SYM53C810ALV SYM53C810A SYM53C810AP NCR53C815 NCR53C825 SYM53C825A SYM53C860 SYM53C860LV SYM53C875r1 SYM53C875 SYM53C875j SYM53C885 SYM53C895 SYM53C896 That is, every chip but the Ultra-160 variant, the 53C1010. This is not rocket science, I just don't have access to one to test it. Current the best known OEM for LSI/Symbios/NCR boards are Tekram. (www.tekram.com). They do have some models which are not based on these chips. The good models (not all current) are DC-310, DC-310U, DC-390U, DC390W, DC-390F, DC-390U2B, DC-390U2W LSI boards are fine too, of course. This URL is LSI's list of OEMs... http://www.lsilogic.com/techsupp/support+drivers/otheroem.html There is also at least one German company, but I've lost track of the name. -----Original Message----- From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com [mailto:jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com] Sent: 01 June 2000 21:44 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware compati list for new release? There is no hardware list as yet, but trawling through the 9fans archives should give an idea of what we've tried. The ATI Mach64 cards are the best supported, there's even some acceleration used. Currently, only the aging Mylex (was Buslogic) PCI and EISA Multimaster SCSI cards and the Symbios (was NCR, now LsiLogic) 53C8XX series SCSI chips have drivers. The Symbios chips can be found on many OEM cards (sorry, I don't have a list) and on many motherboards (but sadly not as many as the Adaptec chips). Contact your local LsiLogic rep. to find where you can buy the cards they make themselves, they're very reasonably priced. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 3 04:25:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01293 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 04:25:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.250.160.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA01289 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 04:25:14 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006030825.EAA01289@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:23:42 +0900 Subject: [9fans] memory leak in cron.c Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, auth/cron.c has memory leak. the following function: void freejobs(Job *j) { Job *fj; for(fj = j; fj; fj = j){ j = j->next; free(fj); } } should be replaced by: void freejobs(Job *j) { Job *i; while(j){ i = j; j = j->next; free(i->cmd); free(i); } } # sorry, I prefer beginner's programming style. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 4 03:48:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12648 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 03:48:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.250.160.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA12644 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 03:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006040748.DAA12644@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:45:41 +0900 Subject: [9fans] arpd memory leak. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, In the old article, dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au said: I just noticed that the arpd on our cpu server is using 35M, according to ps! I don't have a lot of time right now to investigate. Does anyone know anything about this? Now I am also in trouble! I started cron to ping all IPs in 16 segments of our university to get IPs of active hosts. The interval of measurement is 10 minutes. Then, # at the beginning: cpu% ps ... bootes 15 0:00 0:00 64K Read cs bootes 16 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme tcpack bootes 17 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme tcpflow bootes 25 0:00 0:00 48K Read arpd bootes 28 0:00 0:00 36K Read icmp bootes 29 0:00 0:00 36K Read icmp # after a hour: cpu% ps ... bootes 15 0:00 0:00 64K Read cs bootes 16 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme tcpack bootes 17 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme tcpflow bootes 25 0:00 0:00 6612K Read arpd bootes 28 0:32 0:47 48K Read icmp bootes 29 0:14 0:38 48K Read icmp # and the system hangs up in a night with the message: "no physical memory" Has anyone fixed this memory leak? Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 4 07:05:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13964 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 07:05:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from caldo.demon.co.uk (caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA13960 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 07:05:17 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <200006041105.HAA13960@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:04:11 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] arpd memory leak. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>Has anyone fixed this memory leak? http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/bod/arpd.rc might do it. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 5 17:02:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12737 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:02:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12725 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:02:11 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000605203553.256.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Tue Jun 6 05:35:52 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: Re: [9fans] arpd memory leak. Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa References: <200006041105.HAA13960@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello. forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk said: # >>Has anyone fixed this memory leak? # http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/bod/arpd.rc might do it. It seems fine. The followings are the log of ps. In every 10 minute, icmp packets are sent to 4000 IPs in our domain. It seems the memory does not graw over 100KB. Thanks. Mon Jun 5 18:28:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 44K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 18:38:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 84K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 18:48:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 92K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 18:58:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 96K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:08:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 96K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:18:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:28:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:38:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:48:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:58:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:08:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:18:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:28:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:38:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:48:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:58:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:08:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:18:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:28:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:38:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:48:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:58:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:02 100K Read arpd From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 5 17:30:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13552 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:30:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13544 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12z4H9-0006RJ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:19:11 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:18:45 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000605203553.256.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: <200006041105.HAA13960@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: Re: [9fans] arpd memory leak. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello. forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk said: # >>Has anyone fixed this memory leak? # http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/bod/arpd.rc might do it. It seems fine. The followings are the log of ps. In every 10 minute, icmp packets are sent to 4000 IPs in our domain. It seems the memory does not graw over 100KB. Thanks. Mon Jun 5 18:28:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 44K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 18:38:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 84K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 18:48:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 92K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 18:58:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 96K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:08:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 96K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:18:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:28:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:38:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:48:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:58:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:08:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:18:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:28:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:38:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:48:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:58:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:08:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:18:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:28:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:38:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:48:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:58:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:02 100K Read arpd From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 6 07:00:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24708 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:00:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24704 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zGtn-0006aP-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:47:55 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:21:50 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3939D084.EAF1FEC9@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF08C3@symnt3.cadence.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] LSI Logic/Symbios/NCR SCSI support Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Nigel Roles wrote: > Current the best known OEM for LSI/Symbios/NCR boards are Tekram. ASUS (mostly a motherboard maker) makes one (810 based) that I have had good luck with, and the BIOSes on many of their motherboards include the LSI(NCR,Symbios) SCSI support code, meaning among other things that one can boot a SCSI disk. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 6 07:00:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24748 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:00:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24742 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zGtm-0006aD-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:47:54 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:21:01 GMT From: Christopher Browne Message-ID: Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing References: <200005132137.WAA09553@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk>, Reply-To: cbbrowne@hex.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Plan9 should be free distributable Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Jim Choate would say: >I'd certainly be interested in a Open Source clone of Plan 9 to point >of spending my own time and money to that end. If that is your end, then I'd suggest looking at . It borrows ideas mostly from QNX and Plan 9, and should be "free enough for your purposes." -- "Purely applicative languages are poorly applicable." -- Alan Perlis cbbrowne@hex.net- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 6 07:01:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24756 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:01:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24735 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zGtn-0006aJ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:47:55 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:21:31 GMT From: Christopher Browne Message-ID: Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing References: , Reply-To: cbbrowne@hex.net Subject: Re: [9fans] My view of Plan 9 and it's future Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Jim Choate would say: >My intention is not to inflame or insite. If you disagree, fine. You're >entitled to your opinion. This is pretty much my final say on this issue >for the time being at least. Thanks for the feedback. Regardless of intent, your comments _are_ inflammatory and appear intended to incite flames. >My view is that Lucent/Bell Labs has no intention of any sort of long >term or serious support for Plan 9. I further believe they >intentionaly prohibit commerical use *and* price it out of the >general hobby market. This guaranteeing that it won't be widely >encountered. Fine, that's your view. I don't think they _care_ all that much about Plan 9, from the perspective of "Lucent, the umpteen-bazillion dollar company." As "intellectual assets" go, I would spectulate that Plan 9 weighs in at the "under $100M mark," which makes its importance in the overall scheme of Things At Lucent rather small. (If I were off by a factor of 10, it would _still_ be pretty small potatos.) If I'm wrong about that, I expect it is more out of ignorance of the "true value" on the part of the organization on the part of the PHBs way up in the organization than any direct intent to "prohibit commerical use." Compare to Xerox, whose PARC labs were largely responsible for inventing such things as Postscript, Ethernet, WIMP GUIs as we know them, and such. If you looked at how many Dorado and Star machines Xerox sold, and pricing, you'd be readily able to make the _same wrong conclusions_ about Xerox. >Plan 9's implimentation of crypto at low levels of the network offers >advantages to privacy that unix and Win based systems will never match. .... Which misses that UNIX has gotten "retrofitted" with a whole lot of interesting things over the years .... >So long as Plan 9 is released under a commercial license and the primary >goal is to make money off the OS, instead of as in Open Source where it's >the distribution, training, support, and applications the money is to be >made, it will fail. If it was Eric Raymond saying this, people might take the comments _somewhat_ seriously. (Others of us would hold our noses and hope he'd shut up.) >Under the current license Plan 9 will fail. One solution would be to keep >the non-commerical limit and lower the price to something like $99. I think you're under the impression that Lucent has a "Plan 9 Marketing Division." It doesn't. Plan 9 is a _research_ OS, and they are really only "pushing" it at researchers, who have rather different sets of priorities and values than you seem to be projecting on them. It's interesting to see that there seems to be some new activity surrounding Plan 9; I would speculate that this may be another evidence of us coming out of the Long Dark Night of OS Research Pessimism. In the 1990s, Microsoft bought out various OS research groups, and spent rather a lot of money making it look like there was little point to OS research. I would be entirely unshocked if the higher-ups at Lucent that hold purse-strings looked at the money and research staff flows, and concluded that this was Not A Good Time To Deploy Another OS. The growth of Linux has provided some new interest in UNIX, as well as getting the market used to the idea that there Might Be Alternatives To The Microsoft Hegemony. Which opens up the potential for other OS research to bear fruit. -- "Purely applicative languages are poorly applicable." -- Alan Perlis cbbrowne@hex.net- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 04:46:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA19194 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:46:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA19189 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zbLV-0005aI-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:37:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:35:24 GMT From: Anssi Porttikivi Message-ID: <8hkse7$2u4$1@tron.sci.fi> Organization: SAUNALAHDEN asiakas Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF08C3@symnt3.cadence.com>, <3939D084.EAF1FEC9@null.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] LSI Logic/Symbios/NCR SCSI support Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu There is a nice discussion of Rob's systems research comments in Slashdot: (register and set yout thresold at 3 or higher) http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/06/06/1151209&mode=nested From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 09:22:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23217 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:22:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23210 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24142 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:21:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:21:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006071321.JAA24142@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan9 and SMP ..? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, With the possible release of Plan9 nearing.. Does anybody know if nest release will support SMP on Intel plateform (dual pentium scenario)? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 11:51:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27379 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:51:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27375 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006071551.LAA27375@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:51:19 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 and SMP ..? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Does anybody know if nest release will support SMP >on Intel plateform (dual pentium scenario)? Yes, it will. We've been running on such systems since shortly after the last release (1995). However, Intel-based SMP systems are notoriously fickle in conforming to the Multiprocessor Specification and often some head-scratching is required when things don't just work. The system has been run on machines ranging from dual Pentium 90's up to quad Xeon 400's and the 8 processor Pentium Pro Axil system. Unfortunately we've not been able to test the new release on all those systems so some glitches may have re-appeared. By default, as it comes out the box, the release has SMP operation disabled by an option in the plan9.ini config file. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 13:50:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00384 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:50:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (ns1.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00380 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com ([135.180.160.8]) by dirty; Wed Jun 7 13:49:33 EDT 2000 Received: from acme (acme [135.180.135.56]) by bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA28801 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006f01bfd0a9$862befa0$3887b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> Reply-To: "Dharani Vilwanathan" From: "Dharani Vilwanathan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006071551.LAA27375@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 released Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:55:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Did you see the article on Plan 9 in Bell Labs site? Please check out http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html The release seems to be ready for download. Thanks dharani From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 14:16:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01199 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:16:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01195 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zkHl-0003R2-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:10:37 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:08:29 GMT From: vdharani@dnrc.bell-labs.com (Dharani Vilwanathan) Message-ID: <006f01bfd0a9$862befa0$3887b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006071551.LAA27375@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: Dharani Vilwanathan Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 released Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Did you see the article on Plan 9 in Bell Labs site? Please check out http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html The release seems to be ready for download. Thanks dharani From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 15:15:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03040 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:15:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cigla.miljkovic.com (ip-216-46-64-71.cust.terabit.net [216.46.64.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03031 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nm@localhost) by cigla.miljkovic.com (8.8.5/SCO-UW) id QAA10938 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006072014.QAA10938@cigla.miljkovic.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: "Nikola Miljkovic" Subject: [9fans] Who is glenda? (up and running) X-Mailer: Vi Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Wow, I just booted up into Plan9/III and although I don't have rio running since I asked for 24bit depth, command line is here. Output of ps is quite interesting: % ps glenda 1 0:00 0:00 60K Wait init glenda 2 0:49 0:00 0K Wakeme genrandom glenda 3 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme alarm glenda 4 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme floppy glenda 9 0:00 0:00 3248K Read kfs glenda 13 0:00 0:00 3240K Read kfs glenda 14 0:00 0:00 0K Idle pager glenda 27 0:00 0:00 472K Read9p dossrv glenda 54 0:00 0:00 472K Broken rio glenda 55 0:00 0:00 116K Wait rc glenda 75 0:00 0:00 44K Read ps also the current directory is: % pwd /usr/glenda System name appears to be: gnot . Vga detection: % cat /dev/vgactl type mga2164w blanktime 30 hwaccel off hwblank off addr 0xf9000000 It seems to figure out Millenium just fine, but 24 bits are failing. I need to find some disk space and install the rest of the system. ctr-t ctr-t is still there! rebooting with 640x480x8. Success! It looks cool! Congratulations to the Plan 9 team. Nikola From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 15:39:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03760 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:39:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03754 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006071938.PAA03754@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:38:41 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Who is glenda? (up and running) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Thanks for telling us. An older Woods film was 'Glen or Glenda'. Tell us how you do with a different resolution. If you figure out how to get things running at a resolution you're happy with tell us what you did and we'll put it on an experiences page to help others. Good luck. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 16:18:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04932 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:18:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cigla.miljkovic.com (ip-216-46-64-71.cust.terabit.net [216.46.64.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04919 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nm@localhost) by cigla.miljkovic.com (8.8.5/SCO-UW) id RAA11520 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006072117.RAA11520@cigla.miljkovic.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: "Nikola Miljkovic" Subject: [9fans] Re: Who is glenda? (up and running) X-Mailer: Vi Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I should check the earlier Woods work for more hints :-). One more note. If you write-protect your boot-floopy you will still boot, but /lib/vgadb will report I/O error. It is interesting that after rio is up /lib/vgadb is still empty. I guess it is written and then truncated or something. I tried depth 16 and it came as unsupported (Millenium). With depth 8 I got 640, 1200 and now 1600. The 640 is unusable due to flickering. The 1600x1200 works great. I tried 1800 also, but for the Millenium or for the monitor I have just a blank screen. I'll try at home with P815, which is mentioned to support this resolution, to see which one is to blame. Monitor I use now is Sun-Sony GDM-5010 which is supposed to be very high bandwidth, just like P815. BTW I noticed that ctl-alt-del works the same as c-t c-t r. I'll have to open this box to put HD in soon. Thanks again, Nikola From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 16:44:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05745 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:44:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05741 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id QAA02560; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006072044.QAA02560@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Who is glenda? (up and running) From: "Russ Cox" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:40:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Are you sure it's /lib/vgadb that is the problem? Aux/vga will fail trying to write /n/a:/vgainfo.txt for sure. You need the floppy writable so that the boot process can do things like write vgainfo.txt (see the troubleshooting section) and 9inst.cnf (when you save your install state to resume later). The Millennium only supports 8-bit mode; the only cards that support more than 8-bit mode are the Mach 64 and S3 ViRGE based ones, and the #9 Ticket to Ride IV (SGI LCD). As for 1800x1350, that mode is a non-standard one calculated to push the hardware to its limits; it's not completely surprising that the p815 entry doesn't work for the Sony: you'll need to do the calculations to find out what the Sony should use. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 16:54:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06085 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:54:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cigla.miljkovic.com (ip-216-46-64-71.cust.terabit.net [216.46.64.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06081 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nm@localhost) by cigla.miljkovic.com (8.8.5/SCO-UW) id RAA11843 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006072153.RAA11843@cigla.miljkovic.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: "Nikola Miljkovic" Subject: [9fans] Re: Who is glenda? (up and running) X-Mailer: Vi Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >I'm curious: have you had an earlier >Plan 9 running on the same box before? >Russ No, this is 4Gb NT box with HPFS partition taking the whole disk, which I can't change. (Or my SA will come with an axe) I have another box at home with P9/II installed but that will have to wait till tonight. Nikola From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 17:49:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07438 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:49:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cigla.miljkovic.com (ip-216-46-64-71.cust.terabit.net [216.46.64.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07433 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nm@localhost) by cigla.miljkovic.com (8.8.5/SCO-UW) id SAA12332 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006072248.SAA12332@cigla.miljkovic.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: "Nikola Miljkovic" Subject: [9fans] Re: Who is glenda? (up and running) X-Mailer: Vi Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I finally got to read the "Installing the Plan 9 Distribution" (It was a few years wait that caused some inpatience) and found some usefull tidbits. Yes it is /vgainfo.txt that was being written. But the message is: aux/vga: dbopen: /lib/vgadb: I/O error I noticed that plan9.ini is padded to 512 bytes and has \r\n DOS styled lines. If I want to change it do I have to confirm to those rules, or are such things transparent. Some more questions: It seems that 9pcflop.gz contains all the drivers and that plan9.ini determines which one is used. There is no more b.com ? There was a size limit in old b.com , is it gone now? Thanks, Nikola From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 18:17:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08120 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:17:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08114 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id SAA09217; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006072217.SAA09217@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Who is glenda? (up and running) From: "Russ Cox" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:13:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I noticed that plan9.ini is padded to 512 bytes and has \r\n DOS styled lines. If I want to change it do I have to confirm to those rules, or are such things transparent. That made generating the floppy disk easy. It's not required. It seems that 9pcflop.gz contains all the drivers and that plan9.ini determines which one is used. Basically, yes. There is no more b.com ? There was a size limit in old b.com , is it gone now? There is still a size limit, but on a simpler program. Read 9load(8) for all the gore. plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man/8/9load Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 19:19:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09185 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:19:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cassandra.wayward-volvo.org (cassandra.wayward-volvo.org [207.181.249.203]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA09181 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33644 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Jun 2000 23:19:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jun 2000 23:19:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Nielsen X-Sender: enkhyl@cassandra.wayward-volvo.org Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm trying to install the new release on a ThinkPad 600X. I thought that maybe it would work because the ThinkPad 600E is listed as a laptop used by folks at the labs. The NeoMagic chip is a little different (MagicMedia 256ZX), so I added an entry to vgadb. Now, I get the following: aux/vga: neomagic: DID 0006 unsupported Is there anything else I can tweak to get this working? Or is this chipset truly unsupported? :-) For reference, here is the output of the bios dump before I added the entry to vgadb. aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb 0xC0000 55 AA 60 CB 90 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 AD 06 22 4F U.`..........."O 0xC0010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30 00 00 00 00 00 49 42 ........0.....IB 0xC0020 4D 75 FC E2 F9 C3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Mu.............. 0xC0030 50 43 49 52 C8 10 06 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 PCIR............ 0xC0040 60 00 09 01 00 80 00 00 4D 61 67 69 63 4D 65 64 `.......MagicMed 0xC0050 69 61 20 32 35 36 5A 58 20 20 34 38 4B 00 43 6F ia 256ZX 48K.Co 0xC0060 70 79 72 69 67 68 74 20 31 39 39 34 2D 39 39 20 pyright 1994-99 0xC0070 4E 65 6F 4D 61 67 69 63 20 43 6F 72 70 2E 20 41 NeoMagic Corp. A 0xC0080 6C 6C 20 52 69 67 68 74 73 20 52 65 73 65 72 76 ll Rights Reserv 0xC0090 65 64 2E 00 43 69 47 61 4D 6F 45 6E 00 6E 6D 78 ed..CiGaMoEn.nmx 0xC00A0 35 2E 64 65 66 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 29 00 00 A2 5.def.......)... 0xC00B0 83 71 03 44 0F F0 00 80 00 03 EC 09 26 30 00 25 .q.D........&0.% 0xC00C0 00 0A 00 0E 00 0F 00 10 37 11 00 12 20 15 00 16 ........7... ... 0xC00D0 00 19 13 1A 00 1B 3C 1C 15 1E C0 1F 04 3A 00 3B ......<......:.; 0xC00E0 00 3C 00 3D 00 3E 00 3F 00 43 01 47 00 82 00 90 .<.=.>.?.C.G.... 0xC00F0 10 91 00 92 04 93 C0 94 09 95 40 A0 2A A1 00 A2 ..........@.*... vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 F0 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 dbdumpmode type=vga, size=640x480x1 frequency=25175000 x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=1 (0x1) ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc E3 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 06 vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 1EB 2D1DF 28 001EB1EC C3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 01 FF 0F 00 00 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 -- Christopher Nielsen (enkhyl|cnielsen)@pobox.com Enkhyl on IRC Space monekys ate my brain: No such file or directory From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 19:27:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09435 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:27:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cassandra.wayward-volvo.org (cassandra.wayward-volvo.org [207.181.249.203]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA09425 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33657 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Jun 2000 23:27:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jun 2000 23:27:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Nielsen X-Sender: enkhyl@cassandra.wayward-volvo.org Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sorry to respond to my own message, but I forgot to include the contents of plan9.ini. It's attached at the bottom. On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Christopher Nielsen wrote: > Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Christopher Nielsen > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X > > I'm trying to install the new release on a ThinkPad 600X. I thought that > maybe it would work because the ThinkPad 600E is listed as a laptop used > by folks at the labs. The NeoMagic chip is a little different (MagicMedia > 256ZX), so I added an entry to vgadb. Now, I get the following: > > aux/vga: neomagic: DID 0006 unsupported > > Is there anything else I can tweak to get this working? Or is this chipset > truly unsupported? :-) > > For reference, here is the output of the bios dump before I added the > entry to vgadb. > > aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb > 0xC0000 55 AA 60 CB 90 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 AD 06 22 4F U.`..........."O > 0xC0010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30 00 00 00 00 00 49 42 ........0.....IB > 0xC0020 4D 75 FC E2 F9 C3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Mu.............. > 0xC0030 50 43 49 52 C8 10 06 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 PCIR............ > 0xC0040 60 00 09 01 00 80 00 00 4D 61 67 69 63 4D 65 64 `.......MagicMed > 0xC0050 69 61 20 32 35 36 5A 58 20 20 34 38 4B 00 43 6F ia 256ZX 48K.Co > 0xC0060 70 79 72 69 67 68 74 20 31 39 39 34 2D 39 39 20 pyright 1994-99 > 0xC0070 4E 65 6F 4D 61 67 69 63 20 43 6F 72 70 2E 20 41 NeoMagic Corp. A > 0xC0080 6C 6C 20 52 69 67 68 74 73 20 52 65 73 65 72 76 ll Rights Reserv > 0xC0090 65 64 2E 00 43 69 47 61 4D 6F 45 6E 00 6E 6D 78 ed..CiGaMoEn.nmx > 0xC00A0 35 2E 64 65 66 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 29 00 00 A2 5.def.......)... > 0xC00B0 83 71 03 44 0F F0 00 80 00 03 EC 09 26 30 00 25 .q.D........&0.% > 0xC00C0 00 0A 00 0E 00 0F 00 10 37 11 00 12 20 15 00 16 ........7... ... > 0xC00D0 00 19 13 1A 00 1B 3C 1C 15 1E C0 1F 04 3A 00 3B ......<......:.; > 0xC00E0 00 3C 00 3D 00 3E 00 3F 00 43 01 47 00 82 00 90 .<.=.>.?.C.G.... > 0xC00F0 10 91 00 92 04 93 C0 94 09 95 40 A0 2A A1 00 A2 ..........@.*... > vga misc 67 > vga feature 00 > vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 > vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 F0 > 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF > vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF > vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F > 0C 00 0F 08 00 > vga apz 0 > vga linear 0 > > dbdumpmode > type=vga, size=640x480x1 > frequency=25175000 > x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=1 (0x1) > ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) > shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) > vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) > hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 > vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf > vga misc E3 > vga feature 00 > vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 06 > vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 > 1EB 2D1DF 28 001EB1EC C3 -7FF > vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0F - FF > vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F > 01 FF 0F 00 00 > vga apz 0 > vga linear 0 > Contents of plan9.ini plan9.ini* plan9.nvr* 1020 ender:/floppy> cat plan9.ini *nomp=1 bootfile=fd0!9pcflop.gz distname=plan9 ether0=type=3C589 monitor=xga vgasize=1024x768x8 mouseport=ps2 audio0=type=sb16 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960408131.k64kmc2btzs9ytbebfjbcgcqjecgss8g -- Christopher Nielsen (enkhyl|cnielsen)@pobox.com Enkhyl on IRC Space monekys ate my brain: No such file or directory From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 19:46:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09864 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:46:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09859 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zpKv-00027M-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 00:34:13 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:28:20 GMT From: cnielsen@pobox.com (Christopher Nielsen) Message-ID: Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com Subject: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm trying to install the new release on a ThinkPad 600X. I thought that maybe it would work because the ThinkPad 600E is listed as a laptop used by folks at the labs. The NeoMagic chip is a little different (MagicMedia 256ZX), so I added an entry to vgadb. Now, I get the following: aux/vga: neomagic: DID 0006 unsupported Is there anything else I can tweak to get this working? Or is this chipset truly unsupported? :-) For reference, here is the output of the bios dump before I added the entry to vgadb. aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb 0xC0000 55 AA 60 CB 90 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 AD 06 22 4F U.`..........."O 0xC0010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30 00 00 00 00 00 49 42 ........0.....IB 0xC0020 4D 75 FC E2 F9 C3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Mu.............. 0xC0030 50 43 49 52 C8 10 06 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 PCIR............ 0xC0040 60 00 09 01 00 80 00 00 4D 61 67 69 63 4D 65 64 `.......MagicMed 0xC0050 69 61 20 32 35 36 5A 58 20 20 34 38 4B 00 43 6F ia 256ZX 48K.Co 0xC0060 70 79 72 69 67 68 74 20 31 39 39 34 2D 39 39 20 pyright 1994-99 0xC0070 4E 65 6F 4D 61 67 69 63 20 43 6F 72 70 2E 20 41 NeoMagic Corp. A 0xC0080 6C 6C 20 52 69 67 68 74 73 20 52 65 73 65 72 76 ll Rights Reserv 0xC0090 65 64 2E 00 43 69 47 61 4D 6F 45 6E 00 6E 6D 78 ed..CiGaMoEn.nmx 0xC00A0 35 2E 64 65 66 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 29 00 00 A2 5.def.......)... 0xC00B0 83 71 03 44 0F F0 00 80 00 03 EC 09 26 30 00 25 .q.D........&0.% 0xC00C0 00 0A 00 0E 00 0F 00 10 37 11 00 12 20 15 00 16 ........7... ... 0xC00D0 00 19 13 1A 00 1B 3C 1C 15 1E C0 1F 04 3A 00 3B ......<......:.; 0xC00E0 00 3C 00 3D 00 3E 00 3F 00 43 01 47 00 82 00 90 .<.=.>.?.C.G.... 0xC00F0 10 91 00 92 04 93 C0 94 09 95 40 A0 2A A1 00 A2 ..........@.*... vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 F0 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 dbdumpmode type=vga, size=640x480x1 frequency=25175000 x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=1 (0x1) ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc E3 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 06 vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 1EB 2D1DF 28 001EB1EC C3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 01 FF 0F 00 00 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 -- Christopher Nielsen (enkhyl|cnielsen)@pobox.com Enkhyl on IRC Space monekys ate my brain: No such file or directory From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 20:16:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10425 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:16:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10421 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zpoK-0003kB-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 01:04:36 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:48:04 GMT From: cnielsen@pobox.com (Christopher Nielsen) Message-ID: Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com Subject: Re: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sorry to respond to my own message, but I forgot to include the contents of plan9.ini. It's attached at the bottom. On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Christopher Nielsen wrote: > Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Christopher Nielsen > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X > > I'm trying to install the new release on a ThinkPad 600X. I thought that > maybe it would work because the ThinkPad 600E is listed as a laptop used > by folks at the labs. The NeoMagic chip is a little different (MagicMedia > 256ZX), so I added an entry to vgadb. Now, I get the following: > > aux/vga: neomagic: DID 0006 unsupported > > Is there anything else I can tweak to get this working? Or is this chipset > truly unsupported? :-) > > For reference, here is the output of the bios dump before I added the > entry to vgadb. > > aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb > 0xC0000 55 AA 60 CB 90 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 AD 06 22 4F U.`..........."O > 0xC0010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30 00 00 00 00 00 49 42 ........0.....IB > 0xC0020 4D 75 FC E2 F9 C3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Mu.............. > 0xC0030 50 43 49 52 C8 10 06 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 PCIR............ > 0xC0040 60 00 09 01 00 80 00 00 4D 61 67 69 63 4D 65 64 `.......MagicMed > 0xC0050 69 61 20 32 35 36 5A 58 20 20 34 38 4B 00 43 6F ia 256ZX 48K.Co > 0xC0060 70 79 72 69 67 68 74 20 31 39 39 34 2D 39 39 20 pyright 1994-99 > 0xC0070 4E 65 6F 4D 61 67 69 63 20 43 6F 72 70 2E 20 41 NeoMagic Corp. A > 0xC0080 6C 6C 20 52 69 67 68 74 73 20 52 65 73 65 72 76 ll Rights Reserv > 0xC0090 65 64 2E 00 43 69 47 61 4D 6F 45 6E 00 6E 6D 78 ed..CiGaMoEn.nmx > 0xC00A0 35 2E 64 65 66 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 29 00 00 A2 5.def.......)... > 0xC00B0 83 71 03 44 0F F0 00 80 00 03 EC 09 26 30 00 25 .q.D........&0.% > 0xC00C0 00 0A 00 0E 00 0F 00 10 37 11 00 12 20 15 00 16 ........7... ... > 0xC00D0 00 19 13 1A 00 1B 3C 1C 15 1E C0 1F 04 3A 00 3B ......<......:.; > 0xC00E0 00 3C 00 3D 00 3E 00 3F 00 43 01 47 00 82 00 90 .<.=.>.?.C.G.... > 0xC00F0 10 91 00 92 04 93 C0 94 09 95 40 A0 2A A1 00 A2 ..........@.*... > vga misc 67 > vga feature 00 > vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 > vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 F0 > 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF > vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF > vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F > 0C 00 0F 08 00 > vga apz 0 > vga linear 0 > > dbdumpmode > type=vga, size=640x480x1 > frequency=25175000 > x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=1 (0x1) > ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) > shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) > vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) > hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 > vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf > vga misc E3 > vga feature 00 > vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 06 > vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 > 1EB 2D1DF 28 001EB1EC C3 -7FF > vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0F - FF > vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F > 01 FF 0F 00 00 > vga apz 0 > vga linear 0 > Contents of plan9.ini plan9.ini* plan9.nvr* 1020 ender:/floppy> cat plan9.ini *nomp=1 bootfile=fd0!9pcflop.gz distname=plan9 ether0=type=3C589 monitor=xga vgasize=1024x768x8 mouseport=ps2 audio0=type=sb16 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960408131.k64kmc2btzs9ytbebfjbcgcqjecgss8g -- Christopher Nielsen (enkhyl|cnielsen)@pobox.com Enkhyl on IRC Space monekys ate my brain: No such file or directory From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 22:31:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12599 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:31:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12588 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zry9-0001YH-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 03:22:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:15:25 GMT From: steve@fywss.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-ID: <8hmagk$a1m$1@spitfire.fywss.com> Organization: FYWSS Reply-To: steve@fywss.com Subject: [9fans] repost - Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Archive-name: comp-os/plan9-faq Last-modified: June 7, 2000 Posting-Frequency: monthly URL: http://www.fywss.com/plan9/plan9faq.html URL2: http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html This document answers frequently asked questions about the Plan 9 operating system. Much of it was taken (with permission) from Dennis Ritchie's Plan 9 Q&A press release. More information on the June/2000 Plan9 release will be added here as it becomes available. The following sections are new or modified recently: * What is in the latest Plan9 release? * What are Brazil and Inferno? A hypertext version of this FAQ is available on my Plan 9 web page, URL http://www.fywss.com/plan9/ Those pages are also available at http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/ if the main site is down. Other sources of information include the newsgroup comp.os.plan9, which is bidirectionally gatewayed to the 9fans mailing list (mail 9fans-request@cse.psu.edu to subscribe or request archived messages) and of course the Plan 9 homepage at Bell Labs, URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/index.html Please forward any comments or suggestions regarding this FAQ to steve@fywss.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introduction: * What is Plan 9? * What is in the latest Plan9 release? * What are Brazil and Inferno? * What is its relation to other operating systems? * What are its key ideas? * What are the advantages to this approach? Hardware and Software: * What platforms does it run on? * Is anyone working on a port for my system? * Does it support symmetric multiprocessing? * Is it object-oriented? * What about applications and tools? * What about application portability? * Is there a fortran compiler? * What resources does it need? * What GUIs does it support? * Does Plan 9 have any Unix-like terminal emulators? * What character set does it use? * What about security and user authentication? * How does it communicate with other systems? * Is it suitable for real time control? Installation and Administration: * What PC hardware works well with Plan 9? * How do I Install Plan 9? * How can I install only part of the CDROM? * Will Plan 9 install on disks larger than 2 Gig? * Are there any known problems? * It doesn't work for me, how should I troubleshoot? * How do I setup the VGA? * How do I control the services that start at boot time? * How do I setup network services? * How do I upgrade from the old release of Plan 9? * How do I install Plan 9 on a standalone Sparc? * How do I install Plan 9 on a Next? * How do I setup a dual boot for Plan 9 and Windows95? * Can I install Plan 9 with less than 8Mb of ram? * How do I stop 8c/8l from running out of memory? * Are there any security concerns I should be aware of? * What is a boddle and what is it good for? * How do I setup PPP? * Where can I get unzip and gzip for Plan 9? * How do I use texinfo on Plan 9? * How do I reboot my system? * How do I tell if a file server is up? General Information: * Where did the name come from? * How can I Obtain Plan 9? * How can I get involved? * How can I get more detailed technical information? * Can I emulate Plan 9 under Unix? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introduction: Subject: What is Plan 9? Plan 9 is a new computer operating system and associated utilities. It has been built over the past several years by the Computing Science Research Center of Lucent Technologies Bell Laboratories, the same group that developed Unix, C, and C++. Plan 9 is a distributed system. In the most general configuration, it uses three kinds of components: terminals that sit on users' desks, file servers that store permanent data, and other servers that provide faster CPUs, user authentication, and network gateways. These components are connected by various kinds of networks, including Ethernet, Datakit, specially-built fiber networks, ordinary modem connections, and ISDN. In typical use, users interact with applications that run either on their terminals or on CPU servers, and the applications get their data from the file servers. The design, however, is highly configurable; it escapes from specific models of networked workstations and central machine service. Subject: What is in the latest Plan9 release? The press release for the third release of Plan9 is at http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html Among the changes in this release of Plan 9 are a revised kernel, which now has the means to resolve ambiguous file names; an improved graphics environment; an updated command set; and expanded libraries. The system's creators also have installed "plumbing," a new mechanism for passing messages between interactive programs, as part of the user interface. Subject: What are Brazil and Inferno? The first release of Plan 9 was in 1993, and was only available to universities. In 1995 the second release was available for purchase under a shrink-wrap license. Brazil was the next research project after Plan 9 release 2. The kernel data paths have been re-architected to take advantage of faster machines and networks. On June 7, 2000 Brazil was released under an open source agreement. This third release of Plan 9 is available for download at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ Inferno is an operating system for delivering interactive media to its users. It is intended to be used in a variety of emerging network environments, for example in TV set-top boxes attached to cable systems, advanced telephones, hand-held devices, and inexpensive networked computers, but also in conjunction with traditional computing systems. Inferno customer support has recently been taken up by Vita Nuova. The research version of Inferno is still described on the Bell Labs server at http://www.bell-labs.com/inferno/. It appears the free evaluation version is not available any more. The Inferno mailing list archive is at http://www.isr.umd.edu/~doc/Inferno/Mail-list/ Subject: What is its relation to other operating systems? Plan 9 is itself an operating system; it doesn't run as an application under another system. It was written from the ground up and doesn't include other people's code. Although the OS's interface to applications is strongly influenced by the approach of Unix, it's not a replacement for Unix; it is a new design. Subject: What are its key ideas? Plan 9 exploits, as far as possible, three basic technical ideas: first, all the system objects present themselves as named files that are manipulated by read/write operations; second, all these files may exist either locally or remotely, and respond to a standard protocol; third, the file system name space - the set of objects visible to a program - is dynamically and individually adjustable for each of the programs running on a particular machine. The first two of these ideas were foreshadowed in Unix and to a lesser extent in other systems, while the third is new: it allows a new engineering solution to the problems of distributed computing and graphics. Plan 9's approach means that application programs don't need to know where they are running; where, and on what kind of machine, to run a Plan 9 program is an economic decision that doesn't affect the construction of the application itself. Subject: What are the advantages to this approach? Plan 9's approach improves generality and modularity of application design by encouraging servers that make any kind of information appear to users and to applications just like collections of ordinary files. Here are a few examples. The Plan 9 window system (called 8½) is small and clean in part because its design is centered on providing a virtual keyboard, mouse, and screen to each of the applications running under it, while using the real keyboard, mouse, and screen supplied by the operating system. That is - besides creating, deleting, and arranging the windows themselves - its job is be a server for certain resources used by its clients. As a side benefit, this approach means that the window system can run recursively in one of its windows, or even on another machine. Plan 9 users do Internet FTP by starting a local program that makes all the files on any FTP server (anywhere on the Internet) appear to be local files. Plan 9 PC users with a DOS/Windows partition on their disk can use the files stored there. ISO 9660 CD-ROMs and cpio tapes all behave as if they were native file systems. The complete I/O behavior and performance of any application can be monitored by running it under a server that sees all its interactions. The debugger can examine a program on another machine even if it is running on a different hardware architecture. Another example is the approach to networks. In Plan 9, each network presents itself as a set of files for connection creation, I/O, and control. A common semantic core for the operations is agreed upon, together with a general server for translating human-readable addresses to network-specific ones. As a result, applications don't care which kind of network (TCP/IP, ISDN, modem, Datakit) they are using. In fact, applications don't even know whether the network they are using is physically attached to the machine the application is running on: the network interface files can be imported from another machine. Hardware and Software: Subject: What platforms does it run on? The Plan 9 kernel and applications are highly portable. Plan 9 runs on four major machine architectures: Intel 386/486/Pentium, MIPS, SPARC, and Motorola 68020. Data structures and protocols are designed for distributed computing on machines of diverse design. Except for necessarily machine-dependent parts of the kernel, the compilers, and a few libraries, there is a single source representation for everything. The systems supported under each architecture are: 386 386, 486, Pentium and clones see the "What PC hardware works well with Plan 9?" section of this faq for more information on this popular topic MIPS MIPS Magnum 3000, 6280, SGI Power Series, Indigo, Challenge M; SPARC SLC (4/20) Sparcstation 2 (4/75) have been tested, Sparcstation 1 (4/60), IPC (4/40), 1+ (4/65), ELC (4/25), and IPX (4/50) will probably work too; 68020 Gnot, 68040 NeXTstation. More details are available in "The Various Ports" at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/port.html Subject: Is anyone working on a port for my system? Steve Kotsopoulos has a preliminary SGI Indy R4000 port, available from ftp://ftp.ecf.toronto.edu/pub/plan9/steve/indy.bod Bug reports welcome at steve@fywss.com. Charles Forsyth has found that the Indy R4600 will require more extensive changes. Both David Hogan and forsyth (separately) ported an older version of Plan 9 to the Sun-3/50 and 3/60. David Hogan got the new release working on Sun-3/50 and 3/60s and forsyth has tidied it up for distribution. See http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/sun3/sun3.bundle.gz David Hogan is also working on a port to the DEC Alpha architecture. He will announce it when it is ready. Charles Forsyth is working on a Plan 9 Port to the BeBox, details are at http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/soft/bebox.html A PowerPC compiler suite for Plan 9 has been implemented, see http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/soft/power.html for details. Neither the Amiga nor Atari are supported. The Decstation 2100 and 3100 are not supported, but Tad Hunt has started working on a port. Step one was to make the plan9 mips toolset output little endian code. His patches for vl(1) to make bootable pmax code are at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/patches/vl Queries to tad@elwood-low.csh.rit.edu Subject: Does it support symmetric multiprocessing? Yes. SGI Power series multiprocessors are supported both as CPU servers and file servers. The newer SGI Challenge series of multiprocessors and dual processor Pentiums are only supported by Brazil, not Plan 9. Subject: Is it object-oriented? No, not in the conventional sense. It is written in a strict dialect of ISO/ANSI C. In a wider sense, its general design of making all its `objects' look like files to which one talks in a well-defined protocol shows a related approach. Subject: What about applications and tools? Plan 9 comes with its own compilers for C and other languages, together with all the commands and program-development tools originally pioneered in the Unix environment. It also provides newly designed software. Alef is a new language that provides threads, inter-process and inter-machine communication through typed channels, and abstract data types. Acid is a programmable debugger that understands multiple-process programs, and the programs it is debugging may be running on a hardware platform different from its own. Acme is a new user interface in which any word on the screen can be interpreted as a command by clicking on it, and any string can specify a file to be displayed. Subject: What about application portability? Plan 9 comes with a library that makes it easy to import POSIX-conforming applications. There is also a library that emulates the Berkeley socket interface. Subject: Is there a fortran compiler? No, plan9 does not have a fortran compiler. If you have fortran programs you want to run, you can try using the f2c (fortran to C) converter available at ftp://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/f2c/ Subject: What resources does it need? As might be expected, the answer depends on what you want to do. The kernel, the window system, and the basic applications will run comfortably on a PC with 8MB of memory. A single diskette can hold the kernel, window system, editor, and basic Ethernet/Internet interface. A 4-diskette set holds a system sufficient for simple program development (compiler, loader, debugger, more utilities). On the other hand, the system can grow. The installation at Bell Laboratories includes multiprocessor SGI Power Series and Challenge machines as CPU servers, and a 350GB Sony WORM disk jukebox for the file server. Subject: What GUIs does it support? The standard interface doesn't use icons or drag-n-drop; Plan 9 people tend to be text-oriented. But the window system, the editor, and the general feel are very mousy, very point-and-click: Plan 9 windows are much more than a bunch of glass TTYs. The system supports the graphics primitives and libraries of basic software for building GUIs, and if need arises, the X window system has been ported to Plan 9. [Note: The X server only runs on MIPS systems. No one at Bell Labs is working on the port, so they didn't ship it with the CDROM] Subject: Does Plan 9 have any Unix-like terminal emulators? The Plan 9 window system doesn't obey any inline cursor controls, since none of the native applications use cursor-addressing. If you want to get from Plan9 to Unix systems, you can run /bin/hp in one of your windows, telnet/rlogin to Unix, and set the term/TERM variable to hp2621 on the Unix end. See hp(1) for more details. Subject: What character set does it use? The character set is Unicode, the 16-bit set unified with the ISO 10646 standard for representing languages used throughout the world. The system and its utilities support Unicode using a byte-stream representation (called UTF-8) that is compatible with ASCII. On Plan 9, one may grep for Cyrillic strings in a file with a Japanese name and see the results appear correctly on the terminal. Subject: What about security and user authentication? Plan 9's authentication design is akin to that of MIT's Kerberos. Passwords are never sent over networks; instead encrypted tickets are obtained from an authentication server. It doesn't have the concept of `set UID' programs. The file server doesn't run user programs, and except at its own console, it doesn't allow access to protected files except by authenticated owners. The concept of a special `root' user is gone. Subject: How does it communicate with other systems? The distribution includes a u9fs server that runs on Unix-compatible systems and understands the native Plan 9 remote file protocol, so that file systems of Unix machines may be imported into Plan 9. It also includes an NFS-compatible server that runs on Plan 9, so that Plan 9 file systems may be accessed from other systems that support NFS. It includes the full suite of Internet protocols (telnet, rlogin, ftp). Subject: Is it suitable for real time control? No, it is not. It is a general purpose system, without an interrupt priority scheme or real scheduler. Installation and Administration: Subject: What PC hardware works well with Plan 9? If you don't want to spend time fiddling with and swapping PC hardware, you may prefer to buy hardware that is in use within Bell Labs. If so, have a look at the "What We Use" document by jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com, at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/clone.html The general recommendation would be for a 486 PCI+ISA motherboard with I/O on the motherboard that would take a DX4-100. SIS or Intel chipset should be OK. If you can afford it, Intel cpus have larger primary caches and less possibility of running into incompatibilities. A condensed summary of the hardware that is known to work follows: Motherboards AMI Enterprise IV, ACER AP41. Many people run on stock PC-clones such as Dell, Gateway, Micron Millenias Pentium motherboards ASUS PCI/E-P54NP4, Gigabyte GA586-ID, Tyan Tempest S1462 VGA cards/chips S3 80[15], S3 928, S3 864, S3 964, S3 Trio64, S3 Trio32, Tseng Labs ET4000, Tseng Labs ET4000/W32p, Tseng Labs ET4000/W32i, ARK2000pv, CL-GD542x, CL-GD543x, C&T65540, MACH32, MACH64. Monitors IDEK 8617, Viewsonic 17, Nokia 445X, Nanao Flexscan 6500 21" greyscale. SCSI Controllers Buslogic controllers have been the most trouble-free, due to their open policy on providing programming information. Adaptec 1542 series, Ultrastor 14F ISA and a 34F VLB. SCSI CD-ROM 2x Toshiba 3401, 4X Toshiba 3601B, NEC 74 and 3Xi, 4x Plextor 4-Plex. The Toshiba and Plextor let you read the digital audio over the bus. Non-SCSI CD-ROM Mitsumi, Panasonic and Matsushita, attached to a Sound Blaster audio card, 4X Toshiba 5302B, Mitsumi FX400 and Teac 6x drive, attached to an ATAPI controller. Avoid Sanyo, it doesn't execute the drive diagnotics command properly. Audio Sound Blaster 16 or compatible (not the Sound Blaster Pro). Mouse PS/2 or serial, as long as it has 3 buttons. Ethernet Adapters 3Com 3C509, 3C509B are recommended. The EISA 3C579 works, but isn't worth the extra cost. The PCMCIA 3C589, PCI 3C590 and PCI 3C595 (fast ethernet) also work. AMD 79C970 based adapters seem to work fine. SMC (WD) series up to the Elite (and the Elite Ultra), some NE2000 compatibles (including an NE4100 PCMCIA card) and one Eagle NE3210 EISA card. The 3Com 3C503 does not work at all under load. The 3Com 3C595 is not supported. If you have time for netnews, the OS/2 and Linux newsgroups probably have some useful information. Another useful web page on PC hardware (with a BSDi bias) is "PC Hardware Hints and Kinks" at http://www.vix.com/vix/pc-hw/ Subject: How do I Install Plan 9? The installation is designed to be run from a PC. Note that Plan 9 uses an unallocated portion at the end of the disk, and you won't see this partition with the FDISK program. 1. Back up your system. 2. Make sure you've backed up your system. 3. Read "Installing the Plan 9 Distribution" at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/install.html 4. Check the errata page at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/errata.html for problems and fixes found since the distribution was frozen. More recent bugfixes are now distributed in boddle format from the update directory at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update 5. Here are some more questions that have been answered on the 9fans list: IP configuration ndb/cs will set the sysname if you setup an appropriate entry in /lib/ndb/local. You must specify an 'ether=' entry, and the address should be all lower case. If all goes well, ip/ipconfig will then configure IP. Mice If aux/mouse is having problems guessing the protocol, you can use the undocumented '-d type' option to help it out. Use 'aux/mouse -dC $mouseport' for a Logitech type C mouse, '-dW' for a Logitech type W mouse, or '-dM' for a Microsoft compatible mouse. Name Service If you have having problems, first check that ndb/dns is running. It needs to be started in /rc/bin/termrc or /rc/bin/cpurc. Also note that only fully qualified names are supported, and there isn't a separate resolver. Binding and Mounting Devices Note that # is the shell comment character, so you must enclose it in single quotes. For example: bind -a '#R6' /dev Auth Server When booting a cpuserver without an auth server, if you give 0.1.0.0 as the auth server address instead the cpu server's own address, you won't have to wait for it to timeout. Subject: How can I install only part of the CDROM? The cdrom has about 375Meg of files on it, but if you are short on disk space you can install with much less than that. Each of the toplevel architecture-specific directories takes up over 40Meg, so if you only have PC's you can save over 140Meg by simply not installing /mips, /sparc and /68020. If you don't need the source in /sys/src (shame on you), you'll save 43Meg. The pcdist disks at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/pcdist contain bugfixes that are not on the CDROM, and some of the fixes are not yet available in source form either. If you are installing on a pc, it is probably easiest to install the pcdist first, and then merge in whatever you want from the cdrom. If you use mkfs to copy the cdrom, you can make sure you don't overwrite files that were fixed on the pcdist. You can use the following steps to load the entire cdrom except /mips, /sparc and /68020 on a standalone pc. First, install the latest pcdist using the standard installation procedure. Next, mount the cdrom [this assumes scsi cdrom at device 4] % 9660srv % disk/kfscmd allow % mkdir /n/cd % mount /srv/9660 /n/cd '#R4/cd4' Use the following to copy the filesystem rooted at /n/cd (the cdrom) to /n/kfs (the local PC filesystem), according to the proto file /tmp/386allproto, and without overwriting any files that are on the pcdist. % /n/cd/386/bin/disk/mkfs -v -s /n/cd /tmp/386allproto Where /tmp/386allproto is the following mkfs proto file: acme + adm + cron + lib + mail + mnt + rc + sys + usr + 386 + Subject: Will Plan 9 install on disks larger than 2 Gig? The Bell Labs distribution is getting old and will not install reliably on [E]IDE disks >2GB (you might get lucky if your disk is <4GB, but no guarantees). Use a 2GB or smaller disk for now. Someday a patch might be available. Subject: Are there any known problems? New pcdist files are available via ftp from plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/pcdist. These should fix most problems people have had with disk configurations. There are also VGA fixes and ATAPI CD-ROMs are included in the list of supported hardware. Some of the source changes are available as boddles in the update directory already but not all changes are there yet. Problems with Adaptec 1542C[FP] If the BIOS is enabled on the 1542C/CF and BIOS options for support of drives > 1Gb, dynamic scanning of the SCSI bus or more than 2 drives under DOS 5.0 are enabled, the BIOS disables accepting Cmbinit to protect against running with drivers which don't support those options. In order to unlock the interface it is necessary for the driver to read a lock-code using Cextbios and write it back using Cmbienable; the lock-code is non-zero. If any of the options mentioned above are on, timeout errors will occur. Either the BIOS or all the relevant options should be disabled. There is a new version of b.com on plan9.bell-labs.com in the pcdist subdirectory which should overcome this problem but it's not known if it works in all cases. Adaptec AHA-2xxx series controllers There is no support for any Adaptec AHA-2xxx series controller. It would be great if someone wrote a driver since these are popular and show up embedded on motherboards. However, it's completely different from any other Adaptec controller and the rumour on the street is that a driver would be a fair amount of work. Manuals are hard to get, they seem to be permanently on back-order. If someone wants to tackle this project, the driver for FreeBSD may be a good starting point. The NCR8xx series look to be a cheaper alternative with similar performance and Nigel Roles has already written a driver for it which is available at http://www.cotswold.demon.co.uk along with some other plan9 software. 3C509B ethernet card Make sure you disable the Plug-and-Play option and set the transceiver type explicitly(don't use auto-select mode) Subject: It doesn't work for me, how should I troubleshoot? If you are having having SCSI problems, check your cables and terminators. this is generally the single largest cause of weird SCSI problems. Active terminators are best. If you run external cables you need to get high quality ones. Also, don't crank of the speed on the card. Subject: How do I setup the VGA? Simple vga cards and monitors should work at 640x480x[12]. For higher resolutions, especially on untested cards, you will have to find out more about the card so you can configure it. The relevant manuals are: vga(3), vgadb(6), vga(8), and b.com(8). For a detailed debugging guide (too large to include here), see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/vga Subject: How do I control the services that start at boot time? This is controlled by shell scripts, that are roughly equivalent to the /etc/rc files on Unix: /rc/bin/termrc for terminals /rc/bin/cpurc for cpu servers See cpurc(8) for more details. Subject: How do I setup network services? For UDP services, you must start them up in the appropriate cpurc(8) file. For TCP, IL, or Datakit services, you must use the listen(8) daemon. Subject: How do I upgrade from the old release of Plan 9? The 9P protocol has changed in the second edition, due to changes in the way that Plan 9 does its authentication. For those using Unix-based u9fs file servers, you will have to compile and install the new version of u9fs. For more tips on running with a u9fs file server, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/u9fs For those using the standard Plan 9 file servers, ken@plan9.bell-labs.com reports that the disk format in the new release is the same, so there should be no problems running the new FS code on old disks. Subject: How do I install Plan 9 on a standalone Sparc? abochann@cisco.com (Alex Bochannek) did it as follows: 1) Unpack the CD on a UNIX system and install a u9fs server. 2) Boot the SPARC off the u9fs server 3) Create a kfs on sd1 and unpack the whole CD on it. 4) Copy the file /sys/src/9/ss/sscd to /sys/src/9/ss/sssd1 5) Change the line k9660srv.root to kfs.root and change the line boot terminal #R6/cd6 to boot terminal #w1/sd1 6) Add sssd1 to the CONFLIST and change CONF=ss to CONF=sssd1 in the ss/mkfile 7) Do a make all in /sys/src/9 8) Copy the new image 9sssd1 to your favorite TFTP server (or boot from sd3 on your local system) Subject: How do I install Plan 9 on a Next? For a summary of how taweil@ucs.usc.edu (Ta-Wei Li) did it, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/next.html Subject: How do I setup a dual boot for Plan 9 and Windows95? For a summary of how castor@tkg.com (Castor Fu) did it, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/win95 Subject: Can I install Plan 9 with less than 8Mb of ram? The official answer is no, 8Mb is the minimum supported memory configuration. Some people are using it with only 4Mb though. You'll need to borrow 4Mb from another system to get you past the install process (where 8Mb is needed to expand the diskettes). After the install is done, you may be able to run with only 4Mb if you set the vga at a low resolution and/or depth, or perhaps fiddle with the kernelpercent parameter in plan9.ini(8). Subject: How do I stop 8c/8l from running out of memory? In /sys/src/9/pc/mem.h, SEGMAPSIZE is set to 16 (Meg) by default. If you try to compile ghostscript or libtiff on a PC, this value is too low. Change it from 16 to 64; build and boot a new kernel with this setting; and you should be fine after that. Subject: Are there any security concerns I should be aware of? If someone sets up their plan9 system according to the manuals, anyone on the internet can telnet/rlogin in as 'none' without a password To disable this anonymous access, use the undocumented '-N' option to aux/telnetd and aux/ftp, which disallows logins as 'none'. Since aux/rlogin execs aux/telnetd without the '-N' option, the only protection may be to patch the source, or remove /bin/service/tcp513 Finally, ip/tftpd grants access to any world-readable file. The main concern here is that people using u9fs as their file server probably have an /etc/passwd file from their Unix system accessible. If so, make sure you don't have any encrypted passwords in it, or someone could steal it and use 'crack' to break the passwords. Subject: What is a boddle and what is it good for? It's a bundle o' diffs: an rc script that when run with appropriate options will apply a set of changes to the reference copy of the source from the CDROM producing an updated copy in a subdirectory, for you to cat and diff, and eventually cp onto the active source for a subsequent mk. The boddle command (not in the release, fetch it from plan9.bell-labs.com) takes a reference source and an updated version and produces a boddle file. it comes with a manual page; read that for details. Subject: How do I setup PPP? First, apply the changes at http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/bod/ppp.bod These add -9 (enable IL/IP compression) and -m (set netmask) options to pppclient, and fix a few bugs. Assuming you will use /dev/eia1, login to the ppp server as follows: 1. % telco -s 38400 /dev/eia1 2. % con -r -l telco!967-1111 3. login and startup ppp on the server 4. use "control \" to escape back to the >>> prompt in con, and type !onppp to link pppclient to the remote server. onppp is the following rc script: #!/bin/rc {sleep 5; echo add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 128.100.8.4 >'#P/iproute' }& exec aux/pppclient -i 128.100.8.19 -p 128.100.8.4 $* 5. To shut down, use % kill pppclient | rc and disconnect in con. Thanks to forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk and craigl@tezcat.com for this section. Subject: Where can I get unzip and gzip for Plan 9? http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/pub/gzip.tar http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/pub/unzip.tgz you might need to use the -f (force) option with gzip, because it changes behaviour based on isatty() Subject: How do I use texinfo on Plan 9? To use texinfo, run "tex foo.texinfo" to create foo.dvi, then use "dvips foo.dvi > foo.ps" to create a Postscript file, which is viewable with "page" and printable with "lp". Note: If the file foo.texinfo contains cross-references, you may have to run "tex foo.texinfo" twice. The first pass creates aux files and the second pass reads them. Subject: How do I reboot my system? The system can be rebooted by typing ^T^Tr (two control-T's followed by 'r'). Cpu servers can be rebooted by typing ^P on the console. See the cons(3) manual for more details. Subject: How do I tell if a file server is up? It won't respond to ping (no icmp), but it does support arp. Of course, you could just try connecting to it with 9p. General Information: Subject: Where did the name come from? It was chosen in the Bell Labs tradition of selecting names that make marketeers wince. The developers also wished to pay homage to the famous film, "Plan 9 From Outer Space". Subject: How can I Obtain Plan 9? Complete information for purchasing the Plan 9 distribution or ftp'ing the free PC trial version is available at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/distrib.html To summarize the information on the above webpage: Contents The Plan 9 distribution consists of two books, four 1.4 megabyte floppies, and a CD-ROM. The books contain the manual pages and a collection of papers describing the system. The four floppies contain a complete bootable Plan 9 system for IBM-compatible PCs (>=386). They have the kernel, the window system, Internet support, and programming environments for both the C and Alef languages. The CD-ROM contains everything: kernels, libraries, and utilities for the Intel 386 (including 486 and Pentium), Sparc, 68020, and Mips architectures and the sources to create them. It also has a selection of interesting stuff (road maps of the US, sky catalogs). To find out whether Plan 9 supports your hardware, read "The Various Ports" at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/port.html To Order The distribution is published by Harcourt Brace and Company. To order it from the US call 800 782 4479. >From Canada and the Caribbean, call 800 841 9938 Elsewhere, use +1 407 345 3800 If you are having problems getting through on the above number you can fax your order to +1-407-345-4060. The cost for the full kit is US$350 plus shipping; the ISBN is 0-03-017143-1. The manuals can be ordered by themselves for US$125 plus shipping; ISBN is 0-03-017142-3. Everyone, even Lucent Technologies employees, must order the system this way. There are no special arrangements or deals. Any bookshop should be able to order it for you if you give them one of the ISBN numbers. Free Trial Plan 9 does not purport to run on all PCs. Since Plan 9 does not use the BIOS, it is sensitive to hardware differences between PCs. Therefore, the developers provide the contents of the four floppies on the Internet via FTP for you to try out. Ftp to plan9.bell-labs.com, log in as anonymous, and get the files from /plan9/pcdist Subject: How can I get involved? The best way to learn about the system is to write something that other people in the Plan 9 user community could use, or to port the system to new platforms. Several people have already made their applications available, such as an http server, Unix-based authentication server, fileserver port to the PC, etc. The current list of user-contributed software includes: pace@blitz.com (Pace Willisson) has ported the Plan 9 authentication server to Unix, to allow Plan 9 terminals to function without a Plan 9 cpu server performing authentication. For more details, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/unixauth avg@postman.ncube.com (Vadim Antonov) has provided some information on converting terminals into multi-user hybrid cpu servers and terminals. For his posting to 9fans, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/misc/cpu_terminal beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au has ported a Linux QuickCam program into a Plan 9 driver which serves /dev/camera and /dev/focus. /dev/camera has the same format than /dev/screen so most of fb/* programs work well with it. The driver is at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/projects eran@research.att.com (Eran Gabber) has ported the FreeBSD driver for the Talisman XL MPEG-1 playback card for ISA bus to Plan 9. It displays full motion video in a VGA window and/or generates NTSC signal. In particular, MPEG decoding, picture resizing and video overlay are all done in hardware. However, it doesn't use DMA due to its complex architecture. The driver is available from http://cm.bell-labs.com/is/what/mpeg-driver This page also points at a copyright disclaimer and installation instructions. Please read both carefully. bischof@informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) has written spy, which receives the 9P messages from the kernel, displays them for modification and sends the resulting messages to the intended server. In the same way spy transmits the 9P replies of the server. Data spied out in this manner can be used in many different ways. It is available from ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/pub/plan9/spy.tar bl@neon.mime.univ-paris8.fr (Bodet Laurent) has modified the dossrv file server to read and write Linux ext2 partitions. You can find ext2srv at ftp:://ftp.mime.univ-paris8.fr/usr/bl/ext2srv-0.2.tar.gz Contact ngr@symbionics.co.uk if you'd like to test his Zip parallel port driver. It does nibble mode only so works with anything, just not quickly (reads are about 5mb a minute, writes double that). Other software is available on the Plan 9 user community ftp site, ftp.ecf.toronto.edu:/pub/plan9 If anyone would like their projects listed here, let me know. This should help prevent duplication of effort, and increase involvment from the 'net community. If you are looking for a list of suggested project topics, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/projects Subject: How can I get more detailed technical information? The Internet site plan9.bell-labs.com stores a collection of papers about the system in the plan9 directory; they are available for anonymous FTP. For a hypertext interface to these papers, see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/vol2.html For the manual pages, see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/vol1.html Subject: Can I emulate Plan 9 under Unix? Several Plan 9 inspired applications are available for Unix systems. The sam editor is available from ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/unixsrc/sam/ There is also a Windows 95/NT version of Sam, currently distributed in binary form only, available from http://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/research/sam-win.zip Comments and bug reports can be sent to seanq@research.bell-labs.com A free re-implementation of the rc shell is available from ftp://ftp.white.toronto.edu/pub/rc/ Wily is an acme lookalike by Gary Capell, gary@cs.su.oz.au. See http://www.cs.su.oz.au/~gary/wily/ 9wm is David Hogan's lightweight X window manager in the style of 8½. It is available from ftp://ftp.cs.su.oz.au/dhog/9wm/ Comments to dhog@cs.su.oz.au 9term is an 8½ terminal emulator by Matty Farrow, matty@cs.su.oz.au, available from ftp://ftp.cs.su.oz.au/matty/unicode/ In the same directory, you'll find a collection of Unicode fonts that can be used with 9term, sam and wily. 9menu is a simple program by Arnold Robbins, arnold@gnu.ai.mit.edu, that allows you to create X menus from the shell, where each menu item will run a command. 9menu is intended for use with 9wm, but can be used with any other window manager. It is available from ftp://ftp.mathcs.emory.edu/pub/arnold/9menu-1.4.shar.gz Copyright © 1995 Lucent Technologies. All rights reserved. -- Steve Kotsopoulos, P. Eng Senior Developer steve@nevex.com Nevex Software Technologies Inc. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 22:31:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12612 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:31:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12594 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zrrw-0001L5-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 03:16:28 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:10:17 GMT From: steve@fywss.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-ID: <8hma74$a01$1@spitfire.fywss.com> Organization: FYWSS Reply-To: steve@fywss.com Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Archive-name: comp-os/plan9-faq Last-modified: May 9, 2000 Posting-Frequency: monthly URL: http://www.fywss.com/plan9/plan9faq.html URL2: http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html This document answers frequently asked questions about the Plan 9 operating system. Much of it was taken (with permission) from Dennis Ritchie's Plan 9 Q&A press release. The following sections are new or modified recently: * What are Brazil and Inferno? A hypertext version of this FAQ is available on my Plan 9 web page, URL http://www.fywss.com/plan9/ Those pages are also available at http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/ if the main site is down. Other sources of information include the newsgroup comp.os.plan9, which is bidirectionally gatewayed to the 9fans mailing list (mail 9fans-request@cse.psu.edu to subscribe or request archived messages) and of course the Plan 9 homepage at Bell Labs, URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/index.html Please forward any comments or suggestions regarding this FAQ to steve@fywss.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introduction: * What is Plan 9? * What are Brazil and Inferno? * What is its relation to other operating systems? * What are its key ideas? * What are the advantages to this approach? Hardware and Software: * What platforms does it run on? * Is anyone working on a port for my system? * Does it support symmetric multiprocessing? * Is it object-oriented? * What about applications and tools? * What about application portability? * Is there a fortran compiler? * What resources does it need? * What GUIs does it support? * Does Plan 9 have any Unix-like terminal emulators? * What character set does it use? * What about security and user authentication? * How does it communicate with other systems? * Is it suitable for real time control? Installation and Administration: * What PC hardware works well with Plan 9? * How do I Install Plan 9? * How can I install only part of the CDROM? * Will Plan 9 install on disks larger than 2 Gig? * Are there any known problems? * It doesn't work for me, how should I troubleshoot? * How do I setup the VGA? * How do I control the services that start at boot time? * How do I setup network services? * How do I upgrade from the old release of Plan 9? * How do I install Plan 9 on a standalone Sparc? * How do I install Plan 9 on a Next? * How do I setup a dual boot for Plan 9 and Windows95? * Can I install Plan 9 with less than 8Mb of ram? * How do I stop 8c/8l from running out of memory? * Are there any security concerns I should be aware of? * What is a boddle and what is it good for? * How do I setup PPP? * Where can I get unzip and gzip for Plan 9? * How do I use texinfo on Plan 9? * How do I reboot my system? * How do I tell if a file server is up? General Information: * Where did the name come from? * How can I Obtain Plan 9? * How can I get involved? * How can I get more detailed technical information? * Can I emulate Plan 9 under Unix? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introduction: Subject: What is Plan 9? Plan 9 is a new computer operating system and associated utilities. It has been built over the past several years by the Computing Science Research Center of Lucent Technologies Bell Laboratories, the same group that developed Unix, C, and C++. Plan 9 is a distributed system. In the most general configuration, it uses three kinds of components: terminals that sit on users' desks, file servers that store permanent data, and other servers that provide faster CPUs, user authentication, and network gateways. These components are connected by various kinds of networks, including Ethernet, Datakit, specially-built fiber networks, ordinary modem connections, and ISDN. In typical use, users interact with applications that run either on their terminals or on CPU servers, and the applications get their data from the file servers. The design, however, is highly configurable; it escapes from specific models of networked workstations and central machine service. Subject: What are Brazil and Inferno? Brazil is the next research project after Plan 9, and is strictly internal to Bell Labs at this time. The kernel data paths have been re-architected to take advantage of faster machines and networks. A release of Brazil is currently being worked on, and is expected sometime this summer. Inferno is an operating system for delivering interactive media to its users. It is intended to be used in a variety of emerging network environments, for example in TV set-top boxes attached to cable systems, advanced telephones, hand-held devices, and inexpensive networked computers, but also in conjunction with traditional computing systems. Inferno customer support has recently been taken up by Vita Nuova. The research version of Inferno is still described on the Bell Labs server at http://www.bell-labs.com/inferno/. It appears the free evaluation version is not available any more. The Inferno mailing list archive is at http://www.isr.umd.edu/~doc/Inferno/Mail-list/ Subject: What is its relation to other operating systems? Plan 9 is itself an operating system; it doesn't run as an application under another system. It was written from the ground up and doesn't include other people's code. Although the OS's interface to applications is strongly influenced by the approach of Unix, it's not a replacement for Unix; it is a new design. Subject: What are its key ideas? Plan 9 exploits, as far as possible, three basic technical ideas: first, all the system objects present themselves as named files that are manipulated by read/write operations; second, all these files may exist either locally or remotely, and respond to a standard protocol; third, the file system name space - the set of objects visible to a program - is dynamically and individually adjustable for each of the programs running on a particular machine. The first two of these ideas were foreshadowed in Unix and to a lesser extent in other systems, while the third is new: it allows a new engineering solution to the problems of distributed computing and graphics. Plan 9's approach means that application programs don't need to know where they are running; where, and on what kind of machine, to run a Plan 9 program is an economic decision that doesn't affect the construction of the application itself. Subject: What are the advantages to this approach? Plan 9's approach improves generality and modularity of application design by encouraging servers that make any kind of information appear to users and to applications just like collections of ordinary files. Here are a few examples. The Plan 9 window system (called 8½) is small and clean in part because its design is centered on providing a virtual keyboard, mouse, and screen to each of the applications running under it, while using the real keyboard, mouse, and screen supplied by the operating system. That is - besides creating, deleting, and arranging the windows themselves - its job is be a server for certain resources used by its clients. As a side benefit, this approach means that the window system can run recursively in one of its windows, or even on another machine. Plan 9 users do Internet FTP by starting a local program that makes all the files on any FTP server (anywhere on the Internet) appear to be local files. Plan 9 PC users with a DOS/Windows partition on their disk can use the files stored there. ISO 9660 CD-ROMs and cpio tapes all behave as if they were native file systems. The complete I/O behavior and performance of any application can be monitored by running it under a server that sees all its interactions. The debugger can examine a program on another machine even if it is running on a different hardware architecture. Another example is the approach to networks. In Plan 9, each network presents itself as a set of files for connection creation, I/O, and control. A common semantic core for the operations is agreed upon, together with a general server for translating human-readable addresses to network-specific ones. As a result, applications don't care which kind of network (TCP/IP, ISDN, modem, Datakit) they are using. In fact, applications don't even know whether the network they are using is physically attached to the machine the application is running on: the network interface files can be imported from another machine. Hardware and Software: Subject: What platforms does it run on? The Plan 9 kernel and applications are highly portable. Plan 9 runs on four major machine architectures: Intel 386/486/Pentium, MIPS, SPARC, and Motorola 68020. Data structures and protocols are designed for distributed computing on machines of diverse design. Except for necessarily machine-dependent parts of the kernel, the compilers, and a few libraries, there is a single source representation for everything. The systems supported under each architecture are: 386 386, 486, Pentium and clones see the "What PC hardware works well with Plan 9?" section of this faq for more information on this popular topic MIPS MIPS Magnum 3000, 6280, SGI Power Series, Indigo, Challenge M; SPARC SLC (4/20) Sparcstation 2 (4/75) have been tested, Sparcstation 1 (4/60), IPC (4/40), 1+ (4/65), ELC (4/25), and IPX (4/50) will probably work too; 68020 Gnot, 68040 NeXTstation. More details are available in "The Various Ports" at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/port.html Subject: Is anyone working on a port for my system? Steve Kotsopoulos has a preliminary SGI Indy R4000 port, available from ftp://ftp.ecf.toronto.edu/pub/plan9/steve/indy.bod Bug reports welcome at steve@fywss.com. Charles Forsyth has found that the Indy R4600 will require more extensive changes. Both David Hogan and forsyth (separately) ported an older version of Plan 9 to the Sun-3/50 and 3/60. David Hogan got the new release working on Sun-3/50 and 3/60s and forsyth has tidied it up for distribution. See http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/sun3/sun3.bundle.gz David Hogan is also working on a port to the DEC Alpha architecture. He will announce it when it is ready. Charles Forsyth is working on a Plan 9 Port to the BeBox, details are at http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/soft/bebox.html A PowerPC compiler suite for Plan 9 has been implemented, see http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/soft/power.html for details. Neither the Amiga nor Atari are supported. The Decstation 2100 and 3100 are not supported, but Tad Hunt has started working on a port. Step one was to make the plan9 mips toolset output little endian code. His patches for vl(1) to make bootable pmax code are at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/patches/vl Queries to tad@elwood-low.csh.rit.edu Subject: Does it support symmetric multiprocessing? Yes. SGI Power series multiprocessors are supported both as CPU servers and file servers. The newer SGI Challenge series of multiprocessors and dual processor Pentiums are only supported by Brazil, not Plan 9. Subject: Is it object-oriented? No, not in the conventional sense. It is written in a strict dialect of ISO/ANSI C. In a wider sense, its general design of making all its `objects' look like files to which one talks in a well-defined protocol shows a related approach. Subject: What about applications and tools? Plan 9 comes with its own compilers for C and other languages, together with all the commands and program-development tools originally pioneered in the Unix environment. It also provides newly designed software. Alef is a new language that provides threads, inter-process and inter-machine communication through typed channels, and abstract data types. Acid is a programmable debugger that understands multiple-process programs, and the programs it is debugging may be running on a hardware platform different from its own. Acme is a new user interface in which any word on the screen can be interpreted as a command by clicking on it, and any string can specify a file to be displayed. Subject: What about application portability? Plan 9 comes with a library that makes it easy to import POSIX-conforming applications. There is also a library that emulates the Berkeley socket interface. Subject: Is there a fortran compiler? No, plan9 does not have a fortran compiler. If you have fortran programs you want to run, you can try using the f2c (fortran to C) converter available at ftp://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/f2c/ Subject: What resources does it need? As might be expected, the answer depends on what you want to do. The kernel, the window system, and the basic applications will run comfortably on a PC with 8MB of memory. A single diskette can hold the kernel, window system, editor, and basic Ethernet/Internet interface. A 4-diskette set holds a system sufficient for simple program development (compiler, loader, debugger, more utilities). On the other hand, the system can grow. The installation at Bell Laboratories includes multiprocessor SGI Power Series and Challenge machines as CPU servers, and a 350GB Sony WORM disk jukebox for the file server. Subject: What GUIs does it support? The standard interface doesn't use icons or drag-n-drop; Plan 9 people tend to be text-oriented. But the window system, the editor, and the general feel are very mousy, very point-and-click: Plan 9 windows are much more than a bunch of glass TTYs. The system supports the graphics primitives and libraries of basic software for building GUIs, and if need arises, the X window system has been ported to Plan 9. [Note: The X server only runs on MIPS systems. No one at Bell Labs is working on the port, so they didn't ship it with the CDROM] Subject: Does Plan 9 have any Unix-like terminal emulators? The Plan 9 window system doesn't obey any inline cursor controls, since none of the native applications use cursor-addressing. If you want to get from Plan9 to Unix systems, you can run /bin/hp in one of your windows, telnet/rlogin to Unix, and set the term/TERM variable to hp2621 on the Unix end. See hp(1) for more details. Subject: What character set does it use? The character set is Unicode, the 16-bit set unified with the ISO 10646 standard for representing languages used throughout the world. The system and its utilities support Unicode using a byte-stream representation (called UTF-8) that is compatible with ASCII. On Plan 9, one may grep for Cyrillic strings in a file with a Japanese name and see the results appear correctly on the terminal. Subject: What about security and user authentication? Plan 9's authentication design is akin to that of MIT's Kerberos. Passwords are never sent over networks; instead encrypted tickets are obtained from an authentication server. It doesn't have the concept of `set UID' programs. The file server doesn't run user programs, and except at its own console, it doesn't allow access to protected files except by authenticated owners. The concept of a special `root' user is gone. Subject: How does it communicate with other systems? The distribution includes a u9fs server that runs on Unix-compatible systems and understands the native Plan 9 remote file protocol, so that file systems of Unix machines may be imported into Plan 9. It also includes an NFS-compatible server that runs on Plan 9, so that Plan 9 file systems may be accessed from other systems that support NFS. It includes the full suite of Internet protocols (telnet, rlogin, ftp). Subject: Is it suitable for real time control? No, it is not. It is a general purpose system, without an interrupt priority scheme or real scheduler. Installation and Administration: Subject: What PC hardware works well with Plan 9? If you don't want to spend time fiddling with and swapping PC hardware, you may prefer to buy hardware that is in use within Bell Labs. If so, have a look at the "What We Use" document by jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com, at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/clone.html The general recommendation would be for a 486 PCI+ISA motherboard with I/O on the motherboard that would take a DX4-100. SIS or Intel chipset should be OK. If you can afford it, Intel cpus have larger primary caches and less possibility of running into incompatibilities. A condensed summary of the hardware that is known to work follows: Motherboards AMI Enterprise IV, ACER AP41. Many people run on stock PC-clones such as Dell, Gateway, Micron Millenias Pentium motherboards ASUS PCI/E-P54NP4, Gigabyte GA586-ID, Tyan Tempest S1462 VGA cards/chips S3 80[15], S3 928, S3 864, S3 964, S3 Trio64, S3 Trio32, Tseng Labs ET4000, Tseng Labs ET4000/W32p, Tseng Labs ET4000/W32i, ARK2000pv, CL-GD542x, CL-GD543x, C&T65540, MACH32, MACH64. Monitors IDEK 8617, Viewsonic 17, Nokia 445X, Nanao Flexscan 6500 21" greyscale. SCSI Controllers Buslogic controllers have been the most trouble-free, due to their open policy on providing programming information. Adaptec 1542 series, Ultrastor 14F ISA and a 34F VLB. SCSI CD-ROM 2x Toshiba 3401, 4X Toshiba 3601B, NEC 74 and 3Xi, 4x Plextor 4-Plex. The Toshiba and Plextor let you read the digital audio over the bus. Non-SCSI CD-ROM Mitsumi, Panasonic and Matsushita, attached to a Sound Blaster audio card, 4X Toshiba 5302B, Mitsumi FX400 and Teac 6x drive, attached to an ATAPI controller. Avoid Sanyo, it doesn't execute the drive diagnotics command properly. Audio Sound Blaster 16 or compatible (not the Sound Blaster Pro). Mouse PS/2 or serial, as long as it has 3 buttons. Ethernet Adapters 3Com 3C509, 3C509B are recommended. The EISA 3C579 works, but isn't worth the extra cost. The PCMCIA 3C589, PCI 3C590 and PCI 3C595 (fast ethernet) also work. AMD 79C970 based adapters seem to work fine. SMC (WD) series up to the Elite (and the Elite Ultra), some NE2000 compatibles (including an NE4100 PCMCIA card) and one Eagle NE3210 EISA card. The 3Com 3C503 does not work at all under load. The 3Com 3C595 is not supported. If you have time for netnews, the OS/2 and Linux newsgroups probably have some useful information. Another useful web page on PC hardware (with a BSDi bias) is "PC Hardware Hints and Kinks" at http://www.vix.com/vix/pc-hw/ Subject: How do I Install Plan 9? The installation is designed to be run from a PC. Note that Plan 9 uses an unallocated portion at the end of the disk, and you won't see this partition with the FDISK program. 1. Back up your system. 2. Make sure you've backed up your system. 3. Read "Installing the Plan 9 Distribution" at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/install.html 4. Check the errata page at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/errata.html for problems and fixes found since the distribution was frozen. More recent bugfixes are now distributed in boddle format from the update directory at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update 5. Here are some more questions that have been answered on the 9fans list: IP configuration ndb/cs will set the sysname if you setup an appropriate entry in /lib/ndb/local. You must specify an 'ether=' entry, and the address should be all lower case. If all goes well, ip/ipconfig will then configure IP. Mice If aux/mouse is having problems guessing the protocol, you can use the undocumented '-d type' option to help it out. Use 'aux/mouse -dC $mouseport' for a Logitech type C mouse, '-dW' for a Logitech type W mouse, or '-dM' for a Microsoft compatible mouse. Name Service If you have having problems, first check that ndb/dns is running. It needs to be started in /rc/bin/termrc or /rc/bin/cpurc. Also note that only fully qualified names are supported, and there isn't a separate resolver. Binding and Mounting Devices Note that # is the shell comment character, so you must enclose it in single quotes. For example: bind -a '#R6' /dev Auth Server When booting a cpuserver without an auth server, if you give 0.1.0.0 as the auth server address instead the cpu server's own address, you won't have to wait for it to timeout. Subject: How can I install only part of the CDROM? The cdrom has about 375Meg of files on it, but if you are short on disk space you can install with much less than that. Each of the toplevel architecture-specific directories takes up over 40Meg, so if you only have PC's you can save over 140Meg by simply not installing /mips, /sparc and /68020. If you don't need the source in /sys/src (shame on you), you'll save 43Meg. The pcdist disks at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/pcdist contain bugfixes that are not on the CDROM, and some of the fixes are not yet available in source form either. If you are installing on a pc, it is probably easiest to install the pcdist first, and then merge in whatever you want from the cdrom. If you use mkfs to copy the cdrom, you can make sure you don't overwrite files that were fixed on the pcdist. You can use the following steps to load the entire cdrom except /mips, /sparc and /68020 on a standalone pc. First, install the latest pcdist using the standard installation procedure. Next, mount the cdrom [this assumes scsi cdrom at device 4] % 9660srv % disk/kfscmd allow % mkdir /n/cd % mount /srv/9660 /n/cd '#R4/cd4' Use the following to copy the filesystem rooted at /n/cd (the cdrom) to /n/kfs (the local PC filesystem), according to the proto file /tmp/386allproto, and without overwriting any files that are on the pcdist. % /n/cd/386/bin/disk/mkfs -v -s /n/cd /tmp/386allproto Where /tmp/386allproto is the following mkfs proto file: acme + adm + cron + lib + mail + mnt + rc + sys + usr + 386 + Subject: Will Plan 9 install on disks larger than 2 Gig? The Bell Labs distribution is getting old and will not install reliably on [E]IDE disks >2GB (you might get lucky if your disk is <4GB, but no guarantees). Use a 2GB or smaller disk for now. Someday a patch might be available. Subject: Are there any known problems? New pcdist files are available via ftp from plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/pcdist. These should fix most problems people have had with disk configurations. There are also VGA fixes and ATAPI CD-ROMs are included in the list of supported hardware. Some of the source changes are available as boddles in the update directory already but not all changes are there yet. Problems with Adaptec 1542C[FP] If the BIOS is enabled on the 1542C/CF and BIOS options for support of drives > 1Gb, dynamic scanning of the SCSI bus or more than 2 drives under DOS 5.0 are enabled, the BIOS disables accepting Cmbinit to protect against running with drivers which don't support those options. In order to unlock the interface it is necessary for the driver to read a lock-code using Cextbios and write it back using Cmbienable; the lock-code is non-zero. If any of the options mentioned above are on, timeout errors will occur. Either the BIOS or all the relevant options should be disabled. There is a new version of b.com on plan9.bell-labs.com in the pcdist subdirectory which should overcome this problem but it's not known if it works in all cases. Adaptec AHA-2xxx series controllers There is no support for any Adaptec AHA-2xxx series controller. It would be great if someone wrote a driver since these are popular and show up embedded on motherboards. However, it's completely different from any other Adaptec controller and the rumour on the street is that a driver would be a fair amount of work. Manuals are hard to get, they seem to be permanently on back-order. If someone wants to tackle this project, the driver for FreeBSD may be a good starting point. The NCR8xx series look to be a cheaper alternative with similar performance and Nigel Roles has already written a driver for it which is available at http://www.cotswold.demon.co.uk along with some other plan9 software. 3C509B ethernet card Make sure you disable the Plug-and-Play option and set the transceiver type explicitly(don't use auto-select mode) Subject: It doesn't work for me, how should I troubleshoot? If you are having having SCSI problems, check your cables and terminators. this is generally the single largest cause of weird SCSI problems. Active terminators are best. If you run external cables you need to get high quality ones. Also, don't crank of the speed on the card. Subject: How do I setup the VGA? Simple vga cards and monitors should work at 640x480x[12]. For higher resolutions, especially on untested cards, you will have to find out more about the card so you can configure it. The relevant manuals are: vga(3), vgadb(6), vga(8), and b.com(8). For a detailed debugging guide (too large to include here), see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/vga Subject: How do I control the services that start at boot time? This is controlled by shell scripts, that are roughly equivalent to the /etc/rc files on Unix: /rc/bin/termrc for terminals /rc/bin/cpurc for cpu servers See cpurc(8) for more details. Subject: How do I setup network services? For UDP services, you must start them up in the appropriate cpurc(8) file. For TCP, IL, or Datakit services, you must use the listen(8) daemon. Subject: How do I upgrade from the old release of Plan 9? The 9P protocol has changed in the second edition, due to changes in the way that Plan 9 does its authentication. For those using Unix-based u9fs file servers, you will have to compile and install the new version of u9fs. For more tips on running with a u9fs file server, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/u9fs For those using the standard Plan 9 file servers, ken@plan9.bell-labs.com reports that the disk format in the new release is the same, so there should be no problems running the new FS code on old disks. Subject: How do I install Plan 9 on a standalone Sparc? abochann@cisco.com (Alex Bochannek) did it as follows: 1) Unpack the CD on a UNIX system and install a u9fs server. 2) Boot the SPARC off the u9fs server 3) Create a kfs on sd1 and unpack the whole CD on it. 4) Copy the file /sys/src/9/ss/sscd to /sys/src/9/ss/sssd1 5) Change the line k9660srv.root to kfs.root and change the line boot terminal #R6/cd6 to boot terminal #w1/sd1 6) Add sssd1 to the CONFLIST and change CONF=ss to CONF=sssd1 in the ss/mkfile 7) Do a make all in /sys/src/9 8) Copy the new image 9sssd1 to your favorite TFTP server (or boot from sd3 on your local system) Subject: How do I install Plan 9 on a Next? For a summary of how taweil@ucs.usc.edu (Ta-Wei Li) did it, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/next.html Subject: How do I setup a dual boot for Plan 9 and Windows95? For a summary of how castor@tkg.com (Castor Fu) did it, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/win95 Subject: Can I install Plan 9 with less than 8Mb of ram? The official answer is no, 8Mb is the minimum supported memory configuration. Some people are using it with only 4Mb though. You'll need to borrow 4Mb from another system to get you past the install process (where 8Mb is needed to expand the diskettes). After the install is done, you may be able to run with only 4Mb if you set the vga at a low resolution and/or depth, or perhaps fiddle with the kernelpercent parameter in plan9.ini(8). Subject: How do I stop 8c/8l from running out of memory? In /sys/src/9/pc/mem.h, SEGMAPSIZE is set to 16 (Meg) by default. If you try to compile ghostscript or libtiff on a PC, this value is too low. Change it from 16 to 64; build and boot a new kernel with this setting; and you should be fine after that. Subject: Are there any security concerns I should be aware of? If someone sets up their plan9 system according to the manuals, anyone on the internet can telnet/rlogin in as 'none' without a password To disable this anonymous access, use the undocumented '-N' option to aux/telnetd and aux/ftp, which disallows logins as 'none'. Since aux/rlogin execs aux/telnetd without the '-N' option, the only protection may be to patch the source, or remove /bin/service/tcp513 Finally, ip/tftpd grants access to any world-readable file. The main concern here is that people using u9fs as their file server probably have an /etc/passwd file from their Unix system accessible. If so, make sure you don't have any encrypted passwords in it, or someone could steal it and use 'crack' to break the passwords. Subject: What is a boddle and what is it good for? It's a bundle o' diffs: an rc script that when run with appropriate options will apply a set of changes to the reference copy of the source from the CDROM producing an updated copy in a subdirectory, for you to cat and diff, and eventually cp onto the active source for a subsequent mk. The boddle command (not in the release, fetch it from plan9.bell-labs.com) takes a reference source and an updated version and produces a boddle file. it comes with a manual page; read that for details. Subject: How do I setup PPP? First, apply the changes at http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/bod/ppp.bod These add -9 (enable IL/IP compression) and -m (set netmask) options to pppclient, and fix a few bugs. Assuming you will use /dev/eia1, login to the ppp server as follows: 1. % telco -s 38400 /dev/eia1 2. % con -r -l telco!967-1111 3. login and startup ppp on the server 4. use "control \" to escape back to the >>> prompt in con, and type !onppp to link pppclient to the remote server. onppp is the following rc script: #!/bin/rc {sleep 5; echo add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 128.100.8.4 >'#P/iproute' }& exec aux/pppclient -i 128.100.8.19 -p 128.100.8.4 $* 5. To shut down, use % kill pppclient | rc and disconnect in con. Thanks to forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk and craigl@tezcat.com for this section. Subject: Where can I get unzip and gzip for Plan 9? http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/pub/gzip.tar http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/pub/unzip.tgz you might need to use the -f (force) option with gzip, because it changes behaviour based on isatty() Subject: How do I use texinfo on Plan 9? To use texinfo, run "tex foo.texinfo" to create foo.dvi, then use "dvips foo.dvi > foo.ps" to create a Postscript file, which is viewable with "page" and printable with "lp". Note: If the file foo.texinfo contains cross-references, you may have to run "tex foo.texinfo" twice. The first pass creates aux files and the second pass reads them. Subject: How do I reboot my system? The system can be rebooted by typing ^T^Tr (two control-T's followed by 'r'). Cpu servers can be rebooted by typing ^P on the console. See the cons(3) manual for more details. Subject: How do I tell if a file server is up? It won't respond to ping (no icmp), but it does support arp. Of course, you could just try connecting to it with 9p. General Information: Subject: Where did the name come from? It was chosen in the Bell Labs tradition of selecting names that make marketeers wince. The developers also wished to pay homage to the famous film, "Plan 9 From Outer Space". Subject: How can I Obtain Plan 9? Complete information for purchasing the Plan 9 distribution or ftp'ing the free PC trial version is available at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/distrib.html To summarize the information on the above webpage: Contents The Plan 9 distribution consists of two books, four 1.4 megabyte floppies, and a CD-ROM. The books contain the manual pages and a collection of papers describing the system. The four floppies contain a complete bootable Plan 9 system for IBM-compatible PCs (>=386). They have the kernel, the window system, Internet support, and programming environments for both the C and Alef languages. The CD-ROM contains everything: kernels, libraries, and utilities for the Intel 386 (including 486 and Pentium), Sparc, 68020, and Mips architectures and the sources to create them. It also has a selection of interesting stuff (road maps of the US, sky catalogs). To find out whether Plan 9 supports your hardware, read "The Various Ports" at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/port.html To Order The distribution is published by Harcourt Brace and Company. To order it from the US call 800 782 4479. >From Canada and the Caribbean, call 800 841 9938 Elsewhere, use +1 407 345 3800 If you are having problems getting through on the above number you can fax your order to +1-407-345-4060. The cost for the full kit is US$350 plus shipping; the ISBN is 0-03-017143-1. The manuals can be ordered by themselves for US$125 plus shipping; ISBN is 0-03-017142-3. Everyone, even Lucent Technologies employees, must order the system this way. There are no special arrangements or deals. Any bookshop should be able to order it for you if you give them one of the ISBN numbers. Free Trial Plan 9 does not purport to run on all PCs. Since Plan 9 does not use the BIOS, it is sensitive to hardware differences between PCs. Therefore, the developers provide the contents of the four floppies on the Internet via FTP for you to try out. Ftp to plan9.bell-labs.com, log in as anonymous, and get the files from /plan9/pcdist Subject: How can I get involved? The best way to learn about the system is to write something that other people in the Plan 9 user community could use, or to port the system to new platforms. Several people have already made their applications available, such as an http server, Unix-based authentication server, fileserver port to the PC, etc. The current list of user-contributed software includes: pace@blitz.com (Pace Willisson) has ported the Plan 9 authentication server to Unix, to allow Plan 9 terminals to function without a Plan 9 cpu server performing authentication. For more details, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/unixauth avg@postman.ncube.com (Vadim Antonov) has provided some information on converting terminals into multi-user hybrid cpu servers and terminals. For his posting to 9fans, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/misc/cpu_terminal beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au has ported a Linux QuickCam program into a Plan 9 driver which serves /dev/camera and /dev/focus. /dev/camera has the same format than /dev/screen so most of fb/* programs work well with it. The driver is at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/projects eran@research.att.com (Eran Gabber) has ported the FreeBSD driver for the Talisman XL MPEG-1 playback card for ISA bus to Plan 9. It displays full motion video in a VGA window and/or generates NTSC signal. In particular, MPEG decoding, picture resizing and video overlay are all done in hardware. However, it doesn't use DMA due to its complex architecture. The driver is available from http://cm.bell-labs.com/is/what/mpeg-driver This page also points at a copyright disclaimer and installation instructions. Please read both carefully. bischof@informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) has written spy, which receives the 9P messages from the kernel, displays them for modification and sends the resulting messages to the intended server. In the same way spy transmits the 9P replies of the server. Data spied out in this manner can be used in many different ways. It is available from ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/pub/plan9/spy.tar bl@neon.mime.univ-paris8.fr (Bodet Laurent) has modified the dossrv file server to read and write Linux ext2 partitions. You can find ext2srv at ftp:://ftp.mime.univ-paris8.fr/usr/bl/ext2srv-0.2.tar.gz Contact ngr@symbionics.co.uk if you'd like to test his Zip parallel port driver. It does nibble mode only so works with anything, just not quickly (reads are about 5mb a minute, writes double that). Other software is available on the Plan 9 user community ftp site, ftp.ecf.toronto.edu:/pub/plan9 If anyone would like their projects listed here, let me know. This should help prevent duplication of effort, and increase involvment from the 'net community. If you are looking for a list of suggested project topics, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/projects Subject: How can I get more detailed technical information? The Internet site plan9.bell-labs.com stores a collection of papers about the system in the plan9 directory; they are available for anonymous FTP. For a hypertext interface to these papers, see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/vol2.html For the manual pages, see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/vol1.html Subject: Can I emulate Plan 9 under Unix? Several Plan 9 inspired applications are available for Unix systems. The sam editor is available from ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/unixsrc/sam/ There is also a Windows 95/NT version of Sam, currently distributed in binary form only, available from http://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/research/sam-win.zip Comments and bug reports can be sent to seanq@research.bell-labs.com A free re-implementation of the rc shell is available from ftp://ftp.white.toronto.edu/pub/rc/ Wily is an acme lookalike by Gary Capell, gary@cs.su.oz.au. See http://www.cs.su.oz.au/~gary/wily/ 9wm is David Hogan's lightweight X window manager in the style of 8½. It is available from ftp://ftp.cs.su.oz.au/dhog/9wm/ Comments to dhog@cs.su.oz.au 9term is an 8½ terminal emulator by Matty Farrow, matty@cs.su.oz.au, available from ftp://ftp.cs.su.oz.au/matty/unicode/ In the same directory, you'll find a collection of Unicode fonts that can be used with 9term, sam and wily. 9menu is a simple program by Arnold Robbins, arnold@gnu.ai.mit.edu, that allows you to create X menus from the shell, where each menu item will run a command. 9menu is intended for use with 9wm, but can be used with any other window manager. It is available from ftp://ftp.mathcs.emory.edu/pub/arnold/9menu-1.4.shar.gz Copyright © 1995 Lucent Technologies. All rights reserved. -- Steve Kotsopoulos, P. Eng Senior Developer steve@nevex.com Nevex Software Technologies Inc. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 23:12:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13321 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:12:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA13317 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:12:32 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006080312.XAA13317@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:12:12 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu is everyone still getting duplicate messages on the mailing list? why is it only some messages? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 23:46:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14040 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:46:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA14036 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4346 invoked by uid 991); 8 Jun 2000 03:46:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000608034609.4344.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] In-Reply-To: Message from jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com of "Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:12:12 EDT." <200006080312.XAA13317@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:46:09 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu jmk: | is everyone still getting duplicate messages on the mailing list? | why is it only some messages? Unfortunately, yes. For example, From: Christopher Nielsen Subject: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X Message-ID: This was mailed by the author to 9fans. The usenet gateway at bath.ac.uk forwarded it to usenet. Then the usenet gateway at bath.ac.uk forwarded the usenet posting to 9fans. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 01:12:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15884 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:12:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA15876 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id HAA12620 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:12:05 +0200 (SAST) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:12:03 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Message-ID: <20000608071202.K3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <200006080312.XAA13317@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <200006080312.XAA13317@cse.psu.edu>; from jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com on Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 11:12:12PM -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 11:12:12PM -0400, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > is everyone still getting duplicate messages on the mailing list? > why is it only some messages? I get a hint of the reason by saving the messages using "mutt". Those of which I get a single copy are saved under =9fans, the others are saved under = where is the login ID of the originator. Mutt and Elm are very similar in this respect. Since the Reply-to: heading (against NET convention, but it's probably OK) is munged to the list, and the only other possibility is the format of the "From" header. Mine is Lucio De Re versus the option, say, lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) which MUTT won't let me try :-) Or perhaps a "sender" address? Something triggers a different response in the mailing list or news to gateway software. Of course, the source itself may be an explanation. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 01:45:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16384 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:45:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16379 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zv7k-0001CS-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:45:00 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:28:48 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000608071202.K3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <200006080312.XAA13317@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 11:12:12PM -0400, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > is everyone still getting duplicate messages on the mailing list? > why is it only some messages? I get a hint of the reason by saving the messages using "mutt". Those of which I get a single copy are saved under =9fans, the others are saved under = where is the login ID of the originator. Mutt and Elm are very similar in this respect. Since the Reply-to: heading (against NET convention, but it's probably OK) is munged to the list, and the only other possibility is the format of the "From" header. Mine is Lucio De Re versus the option, say, lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) which MUTT won't let me try :-) Or perhaps a "sender" address? Something triggers a different response in the mailing list or news to gateway software. Of course, the source itself may be an explanation. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 02:32:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA16922 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:32:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA16918 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4594 invoked by uid 991); 8 Jun 2000 06:32:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000608063203.4592.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] In-Reply-To: Message from Lucio De Re of "Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:12:03 +0200." <20000608071202.K3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 02:32:03 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu | Since the Reply-to: heading | (against NET convention, but it's probably OK) is munged to the list, I'll turn that off if the consensus is to do so. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 03:39:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17622 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:39:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA17617 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA12775 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:38:54 +0200 (SAST) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:38:50 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Message-ID: <20000608093850.L3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20000608063203.4592.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <20000608063203.4592.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu>; from Scott Schwartz on Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 02:32:03AM -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 02:32:03AM -0400, Scott Schwartz wrote: > > | Since the Reply-to: heading > | (against NET convention, but it's probably OK) is munged to the list, > > I'll turn that off if the consensus is to do so. My vote is to leave it as is, simply because we're a reasonably stable readership (interactship?). It's easier this way (this very message would have been caught out) and the degree of personal interchange on the list is low enough and polite enough that problems will be minimal if any at all. On the other hand, NET convention is great to follow and makes it easier for casual interaction, so if the mailing list is poised to grow, that may be the route to follow. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 04:31:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18268 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 04:31:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18264 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 04:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zxWn-0007YU-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:19:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:58:35 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000608093850.L3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 02:32:03AM -0400, Scott Schwartz wrote: > > | Since the Reply-to: heading > | (against NET convention, but it's probably OK) is munged to the list, > > I'll turn that off if the consensus is to do so. My vote is to leave it as is, simply because we're a reasonably stable readership (interactship?). It's easier this way (this very message would have been caught out) and the degree of personal interchange on the list is low enough and polite enough that problems will be minimal if any at all. On the other hand, NET convention is great to follow and makes it easier for casual interaction, so if the mailing list is poised to grow, that may be the route to follow. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 05:15:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18780 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:15:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18771 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zyIF-0000vy-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 10:08:03 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:46:17 GMT From: Christian Ambrose Message-ID: <393F2FFB.596729C9@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Bell Labs has released the source code for their Plan 9 operating system for free download over the internet. The development team for Plan 9 includes wizard hackers such as Dennis Ritchie, responsible for the C programming language and some of UNIX, and Rob Pike, "The UNIX Programming Environment" was co-authored by him and he is the project leader. The Slashdot post is available at http://slashdot.org/articles/00/06/07/2259250.shtml , and the Bell Labs pages are http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ and an article is available at http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html . Christian -- I practice cook and release fishing. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 05:16:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18788 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:16:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18776 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zyID-0000vq-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 10:08:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:44:23 GMT From: Dharani Vilwanathan Message-ID: <8hm2jb$lot2@news.research.bell-labs.com> Organization: Bell Laboratories, Lucent Technologies Reply-To: Dharani Vilwanathan Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 released Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Did you see the article on Plan 9 in Bell Labs site? Please check out http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html The release seems to be ready for download. Thanks dharani From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 09:02:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21378 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:02:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21373 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1301ht-0005lw-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 13:46:45 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:46:18 GMT From: "Anthony C. Zboralski" Message-ID: <375D1A27.3344A381@hert.org> Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8hm2jb$lot2@news.research.bell-labs.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 released Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Dharani Vilwanathan wrote: > Hi, > > Did you see the article on Plan 9 in Bell Labs site? > > Please check out http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html > > The release seems to be ready for download. > > Thanks > dharani it is great! .. i am downloading it.. it is a 50 meg compressed file.. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 09:30:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22110 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:30:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22101 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1302HR-0007P1-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:23:29 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:21:35 GMT From: Anssi Porttikivi Message-ID: <393F9C24.78510A84@iki.fi> Organization: University of Helsinki Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Congratulations for the new release! Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Everything is now just so fine, that it ever could be. I love this world of beauty. I think I just found a career back for myself, having almost abandoned hope for the world domination of Plan 9 / Inferno ideas. Thanks, Rob, and others! May God bless you! The new release received a very warmhearted welcome at Slashdot, the current opinion leader forum of the computing world..., see http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/06/07/2259250&mode=nested -- 040-7505155 app@iki.fi From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 09:34:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22269 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:34:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22260 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081333.JAA22260@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:33:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The list of contributors is a lot longer than that. Look under the "Preface" links on the "http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man". -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 10:04:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22909 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:04:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from crufty.research.bell-labs.com (ns2.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.49]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22905 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com ([135.180.160.8]) by crufty; Thu Jun 8 10:03:48 EDT 2000 Received: from acme (acme [135.180.135.56]) by bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04756 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01bfd153$27b0c450$3887b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> Reply-To: "Dharani Vilwanathan" From: "Dharani Vilwanathan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <393F9C24.78510A84@iki.fi> Subject: Re: [9fans] Congratulations for the new release! Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:09:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, > Everything is now just so fine, that it ever could be. I love this world > of beauty. The overall installation style was a very pleasant surprise. I was very delighted to see rio during installation. Thanks dharani From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 10:18:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23378 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:18:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23373 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081417.KAA23373@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:17:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu While we're thanking and congratulating, I'd like to mention some people. The number of people who contributed to the system is too long that I'm certain to leave someone out if I try to create a complete list. But I want to point out that the software to package, distribute, download and boot the system was done by Russ Cox, Dave Presotto, and Jim McKie. The smoothness of the process is a testament to their abilities. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 10:30:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23753 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:30:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23739 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1303I8-0001Qh-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:28:16 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:18:38 GMT From: vdharani@dnrc.bell-labs.com (Dharani Vilwanathan) Message-ID: <001b01bfd153$27b0c450$3887b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <393F9C24.78510A84@iki.fi> Reply-To: Dharani Vilwanathan Subject: Re: [9fans] Congratulations for the new release! Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, > Everything is now just so fine, that it ever could be. I love this world > of beauty. The overall installation style was a very pleasant surprise. I was very delighted to see rio during installation. Thanks dharani From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 11:20:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25077 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:20:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25068 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25725 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:19:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:19:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006081519.LAA25725@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] 3rd edition download.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, While downloading the `distribution archive' the operation is stopped arbitrarily. I tried it under both Linux and Solaris with the same result. Is the problem on server side (too many connections..) or my side? Any pointers? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 11:30:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25424 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:30:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA25403 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081530.LAA25403@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Possible network outages From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:29:33 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Just so you know... Due to very unfortunately timed construction here at MH, there's a good chance we'll lose network connectivity from Bell Labs to the Internet for a few hours this weekend. It's unclear to us just when, if, or for how long this will be, but I thought it was worth telling people that if they can't connect this weekend, it's for reasons beyond our control. Apologies for the inconvenience. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 11:35:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25668 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:35:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from postman.ncube.com (postman.ncube.com [134.242.8.47]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25661 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laptop.ncube.com (fc_dhcp51 [134.242.6.51]) by postman.ncube.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA26512 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000608083046.03cc0100@ncube.ncube.com> X-Sender: ianj@ncube.ncube.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:34:49 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Ian Johnstone Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Rob Congratulations. This is great news ! As you know nCUBE has been using PLAN 9 in its massively scaleable video servers for 6 years. Is nCUBE the only company out there with a true commercial application of PLAN 9 ? Just curious ... Ian >To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free >From: "rob pike" >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:33:37 -0400 >Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu >Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > >The list of contributors is a lot longer than that. Look under >the "Preface" links on the "http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man". > >-rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 11:39:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25945 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:39:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:39:43 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id LAA27536; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081539.LAA27536@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition download.. Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:36:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The network is having a hard time keeping up with all the downloads. If you have a supported ethernet card, the download program on the floppy is good at redialing and starting where it left off. Apparently Netscape is not particularly good at this (at least when talking to our web server). You might try a different browser (Opera or IE5 under Windows) and see if that helps, at least with the restartability. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 12:19:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27149 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:19:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA27142 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081619.MAA27142@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:19:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Thanks. There are other commercial licensees but I think they all use the system to provide network services rather than packaged products. Inferno gets used in a bunch of stuff including some flagship Lucent switch products. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 12:55:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28341 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:55:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28337 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from is01.fas.harvard.edu (IDENT:wjosephs@is01.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.101]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with ESMTP id MAA12780; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by is01.fas.harvard.edu with id MAA25293; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000608125522.A8697@fas.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:55:22 -0400 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Extracting Plan9 distribution archives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu For those of us with no machine on which to install the new distribution, there is source to explode decompressed distribution archives at http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~wkj/Software/9e/ -WJ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 13:15:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28961 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:15:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailhost2.dircon.co.uk (mailhost2.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.66]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28956 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (cthulhu.dircon.co.uk [194.112.45.202]) by mailhost2.dircon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31027 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:15:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from digbyt@localhost) by cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA12980 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:15:01 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-Id: <200006081715.SAA12980@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Subject: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation In-Reply-To: <200006081519.LAA25725@pali.cps.cmich.edu> from Ish Rattan at "Jun 8, 2000 11:19:23 am" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:15:00 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Digby Tarvin Reply-To: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) X-Face: &(//%&/WHJk7>_lW'@YYeED-qsdBV8&h3_Hpn/0.9_=}vTk}5u/2l=Mx&rX!\.i9X{(S@nk[we'a|IX#|?jmh`(j}a+\C5/> %DpYTPd<7jF2V b[Z.TjttL[FMm_$Z$^#qd62A:T.qw7}0S\o.Or_|I 2t~t0D=eCU"S?ls%(Ro X-Pgp-Key-Fingerprint: 61 E7 39 FE 4A F4 CA F3 F5 5E BB 45 26 EC 36 3C X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL70 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I'd like to add my congratuations to the team at Bell Labs. The new release sounds great, and the open source release extremely generous. Before I start downloading documentation, I was wondering if anyone can tell me if AT&T are planning on publishing a new edition of the manual set that was provided with the 2nd release? I still find it useful to have a paper copy to mull over at times. Perhaps these are the manuals mentioned as being included with the forthcoming boxed distribution from Vita Nuova? In the interim, are there any parts of the old manuals that are unchanged and need not be downloaded. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 13:31:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29442 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:31:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29436 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130664-0003rG-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:28:00 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:20:29 GMT From: Bill Dodd Message-ID: Organization: IBM Austin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] A few questions about the new release Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Let me add my congratulations (and thanks) to all involved in getting the new release out! I down-loaded the bits yesterday, but haven't been able to get it up and running yet; none of my video cards are recognized. I did some web searches for online sites selling the cards listed in the "Cards we use" section of the "Supported PC hardware" document. The only one that I've been able find that is still on the market is the ATI Xpert 98 (PCI, 8MB, Mach64 based I believe). This looks like a pretty good choice. Does anyone have any other recommendations? 680X0: I see that the release notes do not list a 680X0 kernel, and the "Installing ..." doc mentions that the kernel requires 8 bits per pixel. I assume this means I won't be able to my old 68040 NeXT cube (w/ 2 bit grayscale display) as a terminal. True? Looking down the road, I plan to set up a file server and cpu server. Is there a requirement that either of these 2 boxes have a video card that is supported in graphics mode, or will any old card that just works in text mode be sufficient to install/configure/administer these? Thanks, -bill From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 13:31:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29484 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:31:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29456 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1305q2-0003kA-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:11:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:07:49 GMT From: Christian Ambrose Message-ID: <393FCFD5.4D88855A@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081333.JAA22260@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I know, but that was originally a message for my friends. I just sent another copy to the news group. rob pike wrote: > > The list of contributors is a lot longer than that. Look under > the "Preface" links on the "http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man". > > -rob -- I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it! From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 13:45:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29978 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:45:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from x.bell-labs.com (204.178.16.14.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.14]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA29973 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:44:59 -0400 (EDT) From: mike@bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006081744.NAA29973@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:43:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu what does AT&T have to do with the plan 9 release? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 13:49:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00200 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:49:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00191 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1306HH-0003y7-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:39:35 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:28:42 GMT From: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) Message-ID: <200006081715.SAA12980@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081519.LAA25725@pali.cps.cmich.edu> Reply-To: Digby Tarvin Subject: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I'd like to add my congratuations to the team at Bell Labs. The new release sounds great, and the open source release extremely generous. Before I start downloading documentation, I was wondering if anyone can tell me if AT&T are planning on publishing a new edition of the manual set that was provided with the 2nd release? I still find it useful to have a paper copy to mull over at times. Perhaps these are the manuals mentioned as being included with the forthcoming boxed distribution from Vita Nuova? In the interim, are there any parts of the old manuals that are unchanged and need not be downloaded. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 13:52:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00399 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00395 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:52:39 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006081752.NAA00395@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:07:40 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>Perhaps these are the manuals mentioned as being included >>with the forthcoming boxed distribution from >>Vita Nuova? you bet. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 14:02:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00805 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:02:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA00801 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006081802.OAA00801@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:01:14 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] A few questions about the new release MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Almost any ATI card with a Mach64 chip is a good choice. ATI still sells them although the product names may have evolved - check on www.ati.com under the product heading 'Rage Pro Technology' (or some such). Sorry, you'll have to do work to get the NeXT to go. We just don't have any left and when the graphics model changed it didn't seem worth doing. For a cpuserver or fileserver any old card that can do CGA is fine, that's where most of our old cards end up. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 14:13:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01287 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:13:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from sigint.cs.purdue.edu (sigint.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.2.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01283 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: plan9@sigint.cs.purdue.edu Received: (qmail 1655 invoked by uid 998); 8 Jun 2000 18:14:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:14:19 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] burning archive to CD-ROM: ISO or raw? Message-ID: <20000608131419.B1632@sigint.cs.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >From Step 5 of the download page: > If you can copy the archive to a CD-ROM, Plan 9 can unpack from a CD reader > as well. Should I just burn the raw image to the CD-ROM, or should it be in an ISO 9660 filesystem? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 14:31:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01800 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:31:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01796 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:31:26 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id OAA25336; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081831.OAA25336@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] burning archive to CD-ROM: ISO or raw? Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:27:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Make it a file called plan9.9gz on an ISO9660 file system. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 15:01:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02779 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:01:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailhost1.dircon.co.uk (mailhost1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.65]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02772 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (cthulhu.dircon.co.uk [194.112.45.202]) by mailhost1.dircon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA39947 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:00:56 +0100 (BST) Received: (from digbyt@localhost) by cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA13404 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:50:06 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-Id: <200006081850.TAA13404@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation In-Reply-To: <200006081744.NAA29973@cse.psu.edu> from "mike@bell-labs.com" at "Jun 8, 2000 01:43:37 pm" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:50:05 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Digby Tarvin Reply-To: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) X-Face: &(//%&/WHJk7>_lW'@YYeED-qsdBV8&h3_Hpn/0.9_=}vTk}5u/2l=Mx&rX!\.i9X{(S@nk[we'a|IX#|?jmh`(j}a+\C5/> %DpYTPd<7jF2V b[Z.TjttL[FMm_$Z$^#qd62A:T.qw7}0S\o.Or_|I 2t~t0D=eCU"S?ls%(Ro X-Pgp-Key-Fingerprint: 61 E7 39 FE 4A F4 CA F3 F5 5E BB 45 26 EC 36 3C X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL70 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > what does AT&T have to do with the plan 9 release? Don't know - I was just going by the fact that the 2nd release manuals have the AT&T logo on the spine, and were Copyright AT&T. I am not sure how ownership/responsibility is divided amoungst AT&T, Lucent, Bell Labs, Harcourt Brace, Vita Nuova etc. Is it perhaps the case the Harcourt Brace was engaged by AT&T as exclusive packager/distributor for the second release, and Vita Nuova is the first of possibly many non-exclusive packer/distributors of Lucent's release.? It isn't obvious to me if Lucent will be printing and selling documentation to resellers and end-users, or if the resellers will be responsible for arranging their own printing. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 15:18:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03534 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:18:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03528 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8756 invoked by uid 991); 8 Jun 2000 19:18:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences In-Reply-To: Message from rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com of "Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:27:55 EDT." <200006081831.OAA25336@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:18:13 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu My notes are at home, but here are a few comments from memory. * The installation instructions didn't say so, but the disk partitioning programs accept '?' as a command to get some help. That's useful to learn that you can use 't' to change a fallow partition to type PLAN9 (a fallow partition conveniently available, since I had been planning to install Linux there for the last five years but somehow never got around to it.) * When the kernel boots, it says something about 128MB swap. In the second edition, the penalty for having less backing store allocated than the kernel expected was a panic the first time one of those page frames was written out. Is that still the case? The installation instructions suggest that it should be harmless. * The system complained about not being able to assign an irq to the printer port. * The vga stuff works fine with a #9 771 card. * The installer is willing to try reading from an ext2 partition, but I had mixed results with that. (Ok, linux was recently installed on a second disk.) The mini-shell was unwilling to cd into /home, for unknown reasons. Putting plan9.9gz into / worked around that. * If you told the install-floppy-maker that you have ethernet, but then you use the local media to load the distribution, the ip information never gets configured, which makes ndb/dns pause a while before timing out. Don't panic if that happens. * It looks like glenda's home directory has a mode 0555 tmp directory in it, which should be 0777. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 15:20:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03694 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:20:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03690 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:20:07 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006081920.PAA03690@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:35:12 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>Don't know - I was just going by the fact that the 2nd release >>manuals have the AT&T logo on the spine, and were Copyright AT&T. AT&T split itself into independent bits later, Lucent being one. >>I am not sure how ownership/responsibility is divided amoungst >>AT&T, Lucent, Bell Labs, Harcourt Brace, Vita Nuova etc. Lucent owns Plan 9 and licences it (using the licence you will have seen on the Bell Labs distribution site). >>Is it perhaps the case the Harcourt Brace was engaged by AT&T >>as exclusive packager/distributor for the second release, and >>Vita Nuova is the first of possibly many non-exclusive >>packer/distributors of Lucent's release.? I don't know what the HB arrangement was, but I can say definitively that we are not `engaged' to do this by Lucent. >>It isn't obvious to me if Lucent will be printing and selling >>documentation to resellers and end-users, or if the resellers >>will be responsible for arranging their own printing. Vita does its own publishing (we pay someone to do the actual printing but we prepare the printer-ready files, organise art work, CDs). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 15:25:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04027 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:25:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04011 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081925.PAA04011@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:25:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Lucent owns Plan 9 (and Bell Labs) since splitting up with AT&T in 1996. Is it perhaps the case the Harcourt Brace was engaged by AT&T as exclusive packager/distributor for the second release, and Vita Nuova is the first of possibly many non-exclusive packer/distributors of Lucent's release.? That is an accurate picture. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 15:44:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04560 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:44:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04555 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vita-nuova.demon.co.uk ([158.152.205.94] helo=mjport) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1308E0-0007mB-0K; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:44:20 +0000 Message-ID: <003401bfd182$3a5a18c0$5d0101c8@hcinet> From: "Michael Jeffrey" To: "Digby Tarvin" , <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006081519.LAA25725@pali.cps.cmich.edu> <200006081715.SAA12980@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:46:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Digby, the boxed set we will produce will include two manuals Vol 1 - the man pages Vol 2 - the papers together with the CD Michael Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: Digby Tarvin To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 6:28 PM Subject: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation > Hi, > > I'd like to add my congratuations to the team at Bell Labs. > The new release sounds great, and the open source release > extremely generous. > > Before I start downloading documentation, I was wondering > if anyone can tell me if AT&T are planning on publishing > a new edition of the manual set that was provided with > the 2nd release? I still find it useful to have a paper > copy to mull over at times. > > Perhaps these are the manuals mentioned as being included > with the forthcoming boxed distribution from > Vita Nuova? > > In the interim, are there any parts of the old manuals > that are unchanged and need not be downloaded. > > Regards, > DigbyT > -- > Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org > http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 15:45:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04675 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:45:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04666 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1307sC-0005IF-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:21:48 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:18:12 GMT From: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) Message-ID: <200006081850.TAA13404@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081744.NAA29973@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: Digby Tarvin Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > what does AT&T have to do with the plan 9 release? Don't know - I was just going by the fact that the 2nd release manuals have the AT&T logo on the spine, and were Copyright AT&T. I am not sure how ownership/responsibility is divided amoungst AT&T, Lucent, Bell Labs, Harcourt Brace, Vita Nuova etc. Is it perhaps the case the Harcourt Brace was engaged by AT&T as exclusive packager/distributor for the second release, and Vita Nuova is the first of possibly many non-exclusive packer/distributors of Lucent's release.? It isn't obvious to me if Lucent will be printing and selling documentation to resellers and end-users, or if the resellers will be responsible for arranging their own printing. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 18:18:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08346 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:18:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from einstein.ssz.com (ravage@einstein.ssz.com [204.96.2.99]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08341 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA17622 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:29:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:29:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Choate To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] All right! In-Reply-To: <200006081715.SAA12980@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu You guys at Lucent/Bell Labs have done it right! Who do I contact about the fact we'll soon have a Plan 9 user group in Austin? I think I've already converted a couple of people... ____________________________________________________________________ The future is downloading. Can you hear the impact? O[rphan] D[rift>] Cyber Positive The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 19:22:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09423 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:22:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from einstein.ssz.com (ravage@einstein.ssz.com [204.96.2.99]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09419 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA18741 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:33:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:33:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Choate To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation In-Reply-To: <003401bfd182$3a5a18c0$5d0101c8@hcinet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Michael Jeffrey wrote: > the boxed set we will produce will include two manuals > Vol 1 - the man pages > Vol 2 - the papers > together with the CD How much? When? Thanks. ____________________________________________________________________ The future is downloading. Can you hear the impact? O[rphan] D[rift>] Cyber Positive The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 19:23:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09514 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:23:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from einstein.ssz.com (ravage@einstein.ssz.com [204.96.2.99]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09506 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA18775 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:34:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:34:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Choate To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Hanger 18: Plan 9 Users of Austin Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Info: http://einstein.ssz.com/hanger18/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ The future is downloading. Can you hear the impact? O[rphan] D[rift>] Cyber Positive The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 21:39:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11372 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:39:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA11367 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:39:52 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006090139.VAA11367@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:39:44 +0900 Subject: [9fans] file server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu After many fails of gettint 50MB by Netscape, I finally done it! Many thanks to all of Plan 9 team members to make us touch the third edition. It seems the file server has some change on its local disk image? Can we still use concatenation and/or interleaving of disks attached to different SCSI controlers? Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 22:16:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12145 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:16:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA12141 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006090216.WAA12141@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:16:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Can we still use concatenation and/or interleaving of disks attached to different SCSI controlers? Yes. See fsconfig(8). -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 22:17:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12231 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:17:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA12225 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006090217.WAA12225@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] turning off your plan 9 system From: "Russ Cox" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:17:11 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu For those of you new to Plan 9, when turning off the system, you must halt the disks manually (i.e. typing ctl-alt-del does not do this) by typing disk/kfscmd halt at a prompt and waiting for ``kfs: file system halted'' to appear on the screen. Not doing this means the disk might not be in a consistent state or modified data might not have been written out yet; not halting the disk forces the long wait at the ``kfs...'' when you boot the next time while kfs checks the disk. This was forgotten in the installation documentation but is there now. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 00:27:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14302 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:27:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.ucsd.edu (ucsd.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14298 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tanya (tanya.ucsd.edu [132.239.141.90]) by mail.ucsd.edu; id VAA20936 sendmail 8.8.8AS/UCSD8.3 via SMTP Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:27:33 -0700 (PDT) for <@mail.ucsd.edu:9fans@cse.psu.edu> Received: by tanya (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) id VAA17550; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:27:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:27:31 -0700 From: edorman@tanya.UCSD.EDU (Eric Dorman) Message-Id: <200006090427.VAA17550@tanya> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Would like to thank the Plan9 team for their good work. Interesting notes: MGA-2064W support requires V2.5 card; definately won't work with V2.3 that I have. Looks like a descent into 'vga hell' :) /sys/src/fs/[plan9pc|emelie]/mkfile require -lsec vice -lcrypt to find block_cipher(). dhcp worked 'out of the box' with Roadrunner cable.. xlnt guys! Regards, Eric Dorman edorman@ucsd.edu From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 01:49:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15800 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:49:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA15796 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006090549.BAA15796@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] plan 9 download Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:48:45 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I just fixed a bug in our http server. It will work better with incremental loaders like GetRight and Wget. If you found it impossible to download before, there's reason to expect it to have gotten a little better. Unfortunately, the congestion is still high so if you failed last time around, you might want to wait a day or two before trying again. Good luck. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 04:46:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18209 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18204 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130KJP-0004vv-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:38:43 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:38:31 GMT From: Simon Allaway Message-ID: <393FEF00.49DB85DC@fspdc.uchicago.edu> Organization: The University of Chicago Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have a test machine that's using a reasonably old Matrox Millenium video card. I can see fromvgadb that the MGA chipset is supported, but using version 2164W. The card I have has 2064W stamped on it. So, I tried editing vgadb: ctlr 0xC002D="MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.2 )" # Millennium 0xC002D="MATROX/MISTRAL VGA/VBE BIOS (V1." # Millennium II link=vga ctlr=mga2064w linear=1 hwgc=mga2064whwgc This cause aux/vga to hang. The result of aux/vga -pv : aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb 0xC0000 55 AA 40 EB 7B 22 72 03 C0 04 00 19 2E 3E 3A 19 U.@.{"r......>:. 0xC0010 44 19 FF FF 00 00 00 00 60 00 00 00 00 20 49 42 D.......`.... IB 0xC0020 4D 20 43 4F 4D 50 41 54 49 42 4C 45 20 4D 41 54 M COMPATIBLE MAT 0xC0030 52 4F 58 2F 4D 49 4C 4C 45 4E 4E 49 55 4D 20 20 ROX/MILLENNIUM 0xC0040 56 47 41 2F 56 42 45 20 42 49 4F 53 20 28 56 32 VGA/VBE BIOS (V2 0xC0050 2E 32 20 29 00 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 90 .2 )............ 0xC0060 50 43 49 52 2B 10 19 05 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 PCIR+........... 0xC0070 40 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 38 33 38 2D 31 32 00 FF @.......838-12.. 0xC0080 E8 0D 61 8B D8 E8 9E 61 74 22 8C C8 3D 00 C0 74 ...a....at"..=..t 0xC0090 1B B0 04 2E A2 02 00 33 C0 33 F6 B9 FF 07 2E 02 ........3.3...... 0xC00A0 04 46 E2 FA F6 D8 2E 88 04 33 C0 CB 55 33 C0 8E ..F.......3..U3.. 0xC00B0 D8 8E C0 E8 6D 63 E8 2D 67 53 B0 40 E8 2B 00 5B .....mc.-gS.@.+.[ 0xC00C0 E8 B1 67 FC BA D4 03 E8 17 33 B8 00 A0 8E C0 BF ...g......3...... 0xC00D0 00 20 B9 00 C0 33 C0 F3 AA 8E C0 E8 09 33 B8 03 . ....3.......3.. 0xC00E0 00 CD 10 E8 4C 02 5D 33 C0 CB FA C7 06 08 01 65 .....L.]3.......e 0xC00F0 F0 C7 06 0A 01 00 F0 C7 06 40 00 60 19 8C 0E 42 ..........@.`...B Have I missed something obvious? Thanks in advance. Simon From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 05:01:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18498 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:01:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18484 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130KSH-00056D-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:47:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:39:38 GMT From: Tom E Arnold Message-ID: <394031c4$0$95974@news.execpc.com> Organization: Born to Raise Eyebrows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200005041212.IAA12514@cse.psu.edu>, <200005041257.NAA10332@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk>, <39153571.7E975CC3@null.net> Reply-To: tomea@execpc.com Subject: Re: [9fans] (the potential) new release of Plan9, i386 only? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > > Of course it's not an optimum design, but the advantage of > being able to buy disk, memory, peripherals, and especially > application software at the corner store is overwhelming. > Never mind corner store; try the dumpsters in any good-sized office park. I have enough scavenged 486 machines to build a Beowulf cluster and still have enough left over for playing with Plan9. I'm starting to find 10BaseT cards, Pentiums up to 133 mHz and gig+ IDE drives. I'd have to find some much classier dumpsters or spend money on other things than ram to play with anything more "elegant". -- TTom/ My current neighborhood: http://www.coldspringpark.org My next neighborhood: http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/9361 From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 05:01:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18510 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:01:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18489 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130KSG-000565-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:47:52 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:39:17 GMT From: b s Message-ID: Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User References: <200006081333.JAA22260@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rob@plan9.bell-labs.com (rob pike) writes: Heartfelt congratulations to the Plan-9 team for getting this out, just the way the world wanted (open source). We all hope for a new computing revolution! %The list of contributors is a lot longer than that. Look under %the "Preface" links on the "http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man". % %-rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 05:01:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18526 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:01:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18494 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130KSF-00055x-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:47:51 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:38:53 GMT From: Per von Zweigbergk Message-ID: Organization: Chello Usenet Service Subject: [9fans] Plan9 NAT network firewall on a 386? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello. This is my initial close contact to the world of plan9, and I don't know a lot about it. I'm from a UNIX background, and I run Linux on my home machines. With that said, I can come to the main point of this post :) I'm considering changing the operating system on my 386/25 with 4 MB of RAM from Slackware Linux 3.9, to plan 9. The complete hardware of the system is the following: - Intel 386 at 25 mHz - 4 MB of RAM (I don't think this can be extended, as there are only four 30 pin SIMM slots, and bigger RAM chips are hard to get hold of in this day and age.) - A 170 MB IBM hard drive with an IDE interface. - Two ISA network cards in non-PnP mode. NE2000 compliant off the shelf stuff. -- Network card 1 connected with a statically assigned IP to the internal network. -- Network card 2 connected to a cable modem with IP's assigned with DHCP. The tasks is has right now are: - NAT (ip masquerading) firewall to let the network access the Internet. - Telnet server four "outsiders" to connect to my workstations which are more powerful. - Emergency IRC machine. :) Would this be possible to run on Plan9 rather than on Linux? I feel like changing firstly for exploration... and possibly less bloat? -- Per von Zweigbergk IRC: pvz (IRCnet, QuakeNet, EFnet, or UnderNet -- choose your poison) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 05:01:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18543 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:01:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18509 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130KSH-00056K-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:47:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:40:03 GMT From: Tom E Arnold Message-ID: <39405b13$0$802@news.execpc.com> Organization: Born to Raise Eyebrows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081539.LAA27536@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> Reply-To: tomea@execpc.com Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition download.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > Apparently Netscape is not particularly good > at this (at least when talking to our web server). > You might try a different browser (Opera or IE5 > under Windows) and see if that helps, at least > with the restartability. > IE did better than Netscape; died after 26 meg rather than the 3 to 4 meg that was the most Netscape could do. Are there any ftp sites where I could get it? For me, at least, ftp runs faster and more reliably than a browser download. -- TTom/ My current neighborhood: http://www.coldspringpark.org My next neighborhood: http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/9361 From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 07:09:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20528 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:09:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (gsyc.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.45]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20284 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 06:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es (IDENT:root@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.37]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA13835 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:46:52 +0200 Received: (from nemo@localhost) by nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00831; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:27:18 +0100 From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14656.43622.408165.400838@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:27:18 +0100 (WEST) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences In-Reply-To: <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> References: <200006081831.OAA25336@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.5.1 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Just to let you know that Plan 9 runs just fine on a Dell Inspiron 7k. BTW, anyone with a Lucent wavelan driver? If none, I'm willing to write one myself. But would prefer to reuse :-) -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 07:29:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20864 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:29:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from borf.com (workbench.borf.com [205.185.197.105]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA20860 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:29:41 -0400 (EDT) From: bwc@borf.com Message-Id: <200006091129.HAA20860@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:30:36 EDT Subject: [9fans] YACM (yet another congratulatory message) re: 3rd Edition Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Outstanding! We have a 3rd edition standalone system running here at BORF. We will now turn our attention to converting our network over from 2nd edition which we have run since it was available in '95. Thank you's to all who had a part in pulling this off. It is really, REALLY apprecatiated. Brantley Coile From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 07:36:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21096 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:36:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (root@gsyc.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.45]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA21086 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es (IDENT:root@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.37]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA13835 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:46:52 +0200 Received: (from nemo@localhost) by nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00831; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:27:18 +0100 From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14656.43622.408165.400838@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:27:18 +0100 (WEST) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences In-Reply-To: <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> References: <200006081831.OAA25336@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.5.1 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Just to let you know that Plan 9 runs just fine on a Dell Inspiron 7k. BTW, anyone with a Lucent wavelan driver? If none, I'm willing to write one myself. But would prefer to reuse :-) -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 09:16:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22952 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:16:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22943 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130Oaw-0003Ab-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:13:06 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:10:43 GMT From: yacht Message-ID: <3940EAB5.540C456E@mail.cz> Organization: unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] plan9 and TNT videochips Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I;m trying to install plan9 on my pc vith TNT videocard. Is it possible or TNT chipsets aren't supported ? How ? -- yacht icq: 22596072 // don't worry oo yacht@mail.cz \\ \\ be happy \__/ yacht@mail.muni.cz // From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 09:38:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23507 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:38:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cornet.ntli.net (cornet.ntli.net [212.250.12.246]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA23500 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4885 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Jun 2000 13:37:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Jun 2000 13:37:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:37:47 +0100 (BST) From: Nicholas Waples X-Sender: nickw@waples.hook.private.cableol.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Installing without floppy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Is it at all possible to install without a floppy? (from another fat partition, changing boot/root options, etc) Or is it customised to much to use the floppy? Reason being is that unfortunately I have an LS-120. (which of course stopped at the boot from:, but I didnt have enough time to fiddle further after waiting for 5hrs to download the dist only to have wget -c trash it and start again). Maybe ill give it a go with vmware tonight. Nick. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 10:15:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24524 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:15:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24520 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:15:12 -0400 To: simona@fspdc.uchicago.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone else just got a Millennium 2064W going in 640x480x8 mode by first downloading a flash BIOS upgrade from Matrox and then using 0xC001E="IBM COMPATIBLE MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE" in their vgadb. You might try that. Russ --upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Jun 9 05:05:11 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Fri Jun 9 05:05:10 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA18247; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:06 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18209 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18204 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130KJP-0004vv-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:38:43 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:38:31 GMT From: Simon Allaway Message-ID: <393FEF00.49DB85DC@fspdc.uchicago.edu> Organization: The University of Chicago Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk I have a test machine that's using a reasonably old Matrox Millenium video card. I can see fromvgadb that the MGA chipset is supported, but using version 2164W. The card I have has 2064W stamped on it. So, I tried editing vgadb: ctlr 0xC002D="MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.2 )" # Millennium 0xC002D="MATROX/MISTRAL VGA/VBE BIOS (V1." # Millennium II link=vga ctlr=mga2064w linear=1 hwgc=mga2064whwgc This cause aux/vga to hang. The result of aux/vga -pv : aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb 0xC0000 55 AA 40 EB 7B 22 72 03 C0 04 00 19 2E 3E 3A 19 U.@.{"r......>:. 0xC0010 44 19 FF FF 00 00 00 00 60 00 00 00 00 20 49 42 D.......`.... IB 0xC0020 4D 20 43 4F 4D 50 41 54 49 42 4C 45 20 4D 41 54 M COMPATIBLE MAT 0xC0030 52 4F 58 2F 4D 49 4C 4C 45 4E 4E 49 55 4D 20 20 ROX/MILLENNIUM 0xC0040 56 47 41 2F 56 42 45 20 42 49 4F 53 20 28 56 32 VGA/VBE BIOS (V2 0xC0050 2E 32 20 29 00 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 90 .2 )............ 0xC0060 50 43 49 52 2B 10 19 05 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 PCIR+........... 0xC0070 40 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 38 33 38 2D 31 32 00 FF @.......838-12.. 0xC0080 E8 0D 61 8B D8 E8 9E 61 74 22 8C C8 3D 00 C0 74 ...a....at"..=..t 0xC0090 1B B0 04 2E A2 02 00 33 C0 33 F6 B9 FF 07 2E 02 ........3.3...... 0xC00A0 04 46 E2 FA F6 D8 2E 88 04 33 C0 CB 55 33 C0 8E ..F.......3..U3.. 0xC00B0 D8 8E C0 E8 6D 63 E8 2D 67 53 B0 40 E8 2B 00 5B .....mc.-gS.@.+.[ 0xC00C0 E8 B1 67 FC BA D4 03 E8 17 33 B8 00 A0 8E C0 BF ...g......3...... 0xC00D0 00 20 B9 00 C0 33 C0 F3 AA 8E C0 E8 09 33 B8 03 . ....3.......3.. 0xC00E0 00 CD 10 E8 4C 02 5D 33 C0 CB FA C7 06 08 01 65 .....L.]3.......e 0xC00F0 F0 C7 06 0A 01 00 F0 C7 06 40 00 60 19 8C 0E 42 ..........@.`...B Have I missed something obvious? Thanks in advance. Simon --upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 10:52:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25519 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:52:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from unicorn.math.spbu.ru (vugluskr@unicorn.math.spbu.ru [195.19.226.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25510 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from vugluskr@localhost) by unicorn.math.spbu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18301; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:52:42 +0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:52:42 +0400 From: "Roman V. Shaposhnick" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: simona@fspdc.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities Message-ID: <20000609185242.A18292@unicorn.math.spbu.ru> References: <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 10:15:12AM -0400, Russ Cox wrote: > Someone else just got a Millennium 2064W And what about Millennium G400 ? Any chances ? Thanks, Roman. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 11:09:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26035 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:09:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26025 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006091509.LAA26025@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:09:26 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu And what about Millennium G400 ? Any chances ? Not without some work, unfortunately. I tried to bring up a Millennium G200 a couple days ago with no luck. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 11:17:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26339 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:17:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26332 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27309 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:16:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006091516.LAA27309@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] 3rd edition vga woes.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, Finally was able to download the archive. The boot disk was made for Monitor: Generic Multisync 65Mhz at 640x480x8 (the lowest denominator). The system boots but fails on vga. Also tried 75Mhz version. Results: 1. CL-GD5440 based, not in vgadb, adding the line (0xC0039="CL-GD5440 VGA BIOS VERSION 1.06") makes it hang after dossrv: serving #s/dos 2. S3 Trio64 based not in vgadb, adding the line (0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO64 Enhanced BIOS. PCI Version 1.1) makes it hang after dossrv: serrving #s/dos (worked nicely with older edition!!). 3. 9FX 330 based (not in vgadb) 4. 9FX 331 hangs after dossrv: serving #s/dos 5. Matrox Power Graphics (ML2P/4N) MGA chip based screen goes blank and stays that way. Any pointers? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 11:18:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26449 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:18:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26441 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:18:10 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006091518.LAA26441@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:18:08 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition download.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Because of the need to agree to the licensing and export controls, its not available on an ftp side. Wget(linux) and GetRight(windows) both seem able to get the thing incrementally, especially since I fixed my bug. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 11:44:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27455 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:44:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27450 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006091543.LAA27450@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:43:54 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 and TNT videochips MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu TNT is not supported at the moment, sorry. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 11:58:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27941 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:58:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27931 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:58:50 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006091558.LAA27931@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:58:47 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Fco. J. Ballesteros wrote: Just to let you know that Plan 9 runs just fine on a Dell Inspiron 7k. BTW, anyone with a Lucent wavelan driver? If none, I'm willing to write one myself. But would prefer to reuse :-) thanks for the feedback. there was a driver for the old wavelan cards which we didn't include as we were unsure if we were allowed to release it. there's a summer student just started on writing a driver for the new 802.11 cards, but a parallel effort on your part wouldn't be a bad thing. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 12:12:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28399 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:12:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from wombat.educ.indiana.edu (root@wombat.educ.indiana.edu [129.79.219.48]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28395 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bdwheele@localhost) by wombat.educ.indiana.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05946; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:19:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:19:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200006091619.LAA05946@wombat.educ.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 References: <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu> From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities X-Original-Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In article <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu>, rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com (Russ Cox) writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Someone else just got a Millennium 2064W > going in 640x480x8 mode by first downloading > a flash BIOS upgrade from Matrox and then > using 0xC001E="IBM COMPATIBLE MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE" > in their vgadb. > > You might try that. > > Russ Maybe this is a dumb question...I editted the floppy vgadb file (I had the Matrox Millenium 2.3 version instead of 2.5) and when plan9 comes up from the hard disk, the vgadb on the disk doesn't have my changes and aux/vga fails... Did I miss something very obvious? I'm pretty new to plan9... Brian Wheeler bdwheele@indiana.edu > > --upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Disposition: inline > > Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Jun 9 05:05:11 EDT 2000 > Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Fri Jun 9 05:05:10 EDT 2000 > Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) > by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA18247; > Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:32 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:06 -0400 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18209 > for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:00 -0400 (EDT) > X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f > Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) > by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18204 > for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:45:55 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) > id 130KJP-0004vv-00 > for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:38:43 +0100 > Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews > for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:38:31 GMT > From: Simon Allaway > Message-ID: <393FEF00.49DB85DC@fspdc.uchicago.edu> > Organization: The University of Chicago > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities > Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu > Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Precedence: bulk > > I have a test machine that's using a reasonably old Matrox Millenium > video card. I can see fromvgadb that the MGA chipset is supported, but > using version 2164W. The card I have has 2064W stamped on it. > > So, I tried editing vgadb: > > ctlr > 0xC002D="MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.2 )" # > Millennium > 0xC002D="MATROX/MISTRAL VGA/VBE BIOS (V1." # > Millennium II > link=vga > ctlr=mga2064w linear=1 > hwgc=mga2064whwgc > > This cause aux/vga to hang. > > The result of aux/vga -pv : > > aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb > 0xC0000 55 AA 40 EB 7B 22 72 03 C0 04 00 19 2E 3E 3A 19 > U.@.{"r......>:. > 0xC0010 44 19 FF FF 00 00 00 00 60 00 00 00 00 20 49 42 D.......`.... > IB > 0xC0020 4D 20 43 4F 4D 50 41 54 49 42 4C 45 20 4D 41 54 M COMPATIBLE > MAT > 0xC0030 52 4F 58 2F 4D 49 4C 4C 45 4E 4E 49 55 4D 20 20 ROX/MILLENNIUM > 0xC0040 56 47 41 2F 56 42 45 20 42 49 4F 53 20 28 56 32 VGA/VBE BIOS > (V2 > 0xC0050 2E 32 20 29 00 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 90 .2 > )............ > 0xC0060 50 43 49 52 2B 10 19 05 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 > PCIR+........... > 0xC0070 40 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 38 33 38 2D 31 32 00 FF > @.......838-12.. > 0xC0080 E8 0D 61 8B D8 E8 9E 61 74 22 8C C8 3D 00 C0 74 > ...a....at"..=..t > 0xC0090 1B B0 04 2E A2 02 00 33 C0 33 F6 B9 FF 07 2E 02 > ........3.3...... > 0xC00A0 04 46 E2 FA F6 D8 2E 88 04 33 C0 CB 55 33 C0 8E > ..F.......3..U3.. > 0xC00B0 D8 8E C0 E8 6D 63 E8 2D 67 53 B0 40 E8 2B 00 5B > .....mc.-gS.@.+.[ > 0xC00C0 E8 B1 67 FC BA D4 03 E8 17 33 B8 00 A0 8E C0 BF > ...g......3...... > 0xC00D0 00 20 B9 00 C0 33 C0 F3 AA 8E C0 E8 09 33 B8 03 . > ....3.......3.. > 0xC00E0 00 CD 10 E8 4C 02 5D 33 C0 CB FA C7 06 08 01 65 > .....L.]3.......e > 0xC00F0 F0 C7 06 0A 01 00 F0 C7 06 40 00 60 19 8C 0E 42 > ..........@.`...B > > Have I missed something obvious? > > Thanks in advance. > > Simon > --upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 12:46:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29264 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:46:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp4.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.84]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29255 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp4.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA14505 Message-Id: <200006091646.MAA14505@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu> To: bdwheele@wombat.educ.indiana.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:42:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu That's a good point. Currently, if you edit vgadb to get yourself booted, you'll have to copy it over from the floppy yourself once you're installed. After booting the installation and rio fails, put the floppy back and type a: disk/kfscmd allow cp /n/a:/vgadb /lib/vgadb disk/kfscmd disallow disk/kfscmd halt and then reboot the system. Rebooting isn't strictly necessary (you run run the rest of /rc/bin/termrc by hand) but it's the surest way to test that it will work the next time. We'll try to have the install program do that automatically sometime soon. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 12:48:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29395 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:48:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from new.borf.com (new.borf.com [205.185.197.9]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29381 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sah@localhost) by new.borf.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02545 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:42:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hopkins Message-Id: <200006091642.MAA02545@new.borf.com> Subject: [9fans] :Plan9 networked installation Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Heya, I'm having a spot of trouble installing plan9 as a fileserver and/or cpu server. How do I change a standalone box to a server?? Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 12:50:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29542 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:50:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from grillo.net (adsl-216-103-84-67.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.103.84.67]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29536 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from grio@localhost) by grillo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA88763; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grio) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:49:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Grillo Message-Id: <200006091649.JAA88763@grillo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Versions: autoreply 1.8/makemail 2.9b Subject: Re: [9fans] :Plan9 networked installation Versions: autoreply v1.8 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sam, I am on vacation, and will be reading email infrequently. 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If you need to contact me: before June 12: cell phone 650-224-7647 after June 12: http://sunrentals.an/HT-P-SMARTpage.html, call rental office at bottom of page --Dan From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 13:14:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00441 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:14:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00430 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id NAA27642; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006091714.NAA27642@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] :Plan9 networked installation From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:11:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The installation procedure creates a terminal. To bring a system up as a standalone cpu server, you can just change the kernel it boots (type 9fat:, copy /386/9pccpudisk to /n/9fat, and then edit /n/9fat/plan9.ini to name 9pccpudisk). Bringing up a file server is a bit more work and currently must be done by hand. You'd have to bring it up with a boot floppy and then initialize the file system via the network and the file server "allow" command. Read update(8) and wrap(8) for info on making a boot disk and then extracting the plan9.9gz onto the file server. The command used in the install is wrap/inst -ovr /n/kfs plan9.9gz You'd of course want to name your file server rather than /n/kfs. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 15:00:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03725 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:00:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from small-gods.mit.edu (SMALL-GODS.MIT.EDU [18.177.0.248]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03721 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ghudson@localhost) by small-gods.mit.edu (8.9.3) id PAA24772; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006091900.PAA24772@small-gods.mit.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jun 2000 08:39:17 GMT." Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:00:03 -0400 From: Greg Hudson Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Heartfelt congratulations to the Plan-9 team for getting this out, > just the way the world wanted (open source). The world which wants open source can be a bunch of ungrateful bastards, and in this case I'm one of them. There are two things I, and I suspect others, consider unacceptable about the new Plan 9 license: * Lucent has the right to come in and demand full non-exclusive rights to any derivatives of Plan 9 which you make and use--even if you don't distribute them. * You can't sue any contributor to the version of Plan 9 you use, for any intellectual property reason whatsoever, without destroying your copies of that version of Plan 9. (I don't know how enforceable this clause is.) Maybe some people think these things are okay, but from my point of view, this is on the level of the APSL: technically open source, but with a few poisonous clauses which will probably prevent it from generating real interest. And it's certainly not compatible with the GPL. These aren't issues of personal gain, incidentally. I don't think I would ever write a derivative of a work of free software and intentionally keep it to myself, and I don't think I would ever sue someone for intellectual property reasons. But I think truly free software shouldn't require people to give up these rights. My apologies for raining on the parade. And my deep apologizes if I have misread the license and spread misinformation as a result. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 15:36:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04961 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:36:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.83]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04956 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp3.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id PAA04525; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006091936.PAA04525@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 NAT network firewall on a 386? From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:33:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu A 386 at 25 MHz and 4MB should run okay as long as you don't want to use graphics. The answer is yes, you could do it, but you'd have to make yourself a stripped down kernel (toss the vga drivers, toss the graphics library, maybe toss SSL) to have a comfortable amount of user memory in which to play. I would suggest bringing the system up on a more powerful machine to get acquainted and have a good development environment. No IP masquerading firewall exists for Plan 9, but it would, I believe, not be too hard to get such a thing working. It would be much more straightforward than is the case in, say, Linux, due to the architecture of the IP stack and the ability to have multiple completely separate stacks. If you chose to write such a thing, I'd be happy to give you pointers. I'd love to replace a Linux firewall I run with such a setup. As far as I know no IRC software has been ported, but I suspect it's only a matter of time. The disk space (170MB) is plenty for what you want, but you'd have to pick and choose pieces of the distribution (i.e. you'd probably toss the fonts and ghostscript and perhaps most of the sources). I've set up minimal but very usable Plan 9 laptops in under 50MB. An even more interesting way to set things up would be to have a file server or a cpu/file server on your inside network and have the Plan 9 firewall machine boot completely off the internal network (that is, have no local state on its disk other than the boot loader). Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 17:47:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07979 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:47:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA07975 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:47:41 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006092147.RAA07975@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:47:22 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hudson brings up a good point. You should read the license before you agree to it. Our intent is to get back improvements to the code, put them in the code base, and to keep the code base plus modifications freely available. That may or may not match the wording in the license but its what we're going to do. Products like new device drivers, programs, file systems, etc. that just call the kernel and library functions and don't include Lucent code, are not modifications. They're just additions that noone has to share if they don't want to. However, fixing current stuff, reworking chan.c, etc. are modifications and we'ld like them back to include in the code base. As for the clause on losing rights if you sue another contributor, that seemed a little spacey to me too. I'ld like to get a clarification from the lawyers on how broad 'any' is defined to be in (ii) below: The licenses and rights granted under this Agreement shall terminate automatically if (i) You fail to comply with all of the terms and conditions herein; or (ii) You initiate or participate in any intellectual property action against Original Contributor and/or another Contributor. We'ld be happy to hear about other problems people have with the license. I don't expect that it'll change the license any but perhaps we can get clarification from the lawyers. At the very least you shouldn't be buying a pig in a polk. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 19:54:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09880 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:54:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09875 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from monoid (mail@130-149-145-205.dialup.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.145.205]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24886; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:50:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zhurui by monoid with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 130YTn-00008L-00; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:46:23 +0200 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] install problem in the stage of running `aux/vga'. From: Rui Zhu X-Weird-Check: On Date: 10 Jun 2000 01:46:18 +0200 Message-ID: <877lbys9it.fsf@iname.com> Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu --=-=-= I've just downloaded the new plan9 and tried my first installation, but no luck. I have no experience of plan9 and no clue why that error happend. Maybe someone who has more experience can help me out. 1. The custom plan9.ini got download had a entry `monitor=xvga' (I'd chose general tube capable at 1024x768), which caused `aux/vga' to complain something like `aux/vga: main: xvga@... not in /lib/vgadb'. I wonder how this inconsistancy happened. 2. After I modified the plan9.ini on boot disk, `aux/vga' complained ` not enough free address space'. Below is my configuration: --=-=-= Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=auxvga.error Content-Description: output of `aux/vga -Vl 640x480x8' main->snarf vga->snarf mach64xx->snarf vmf 25175000 vmdf 0 vf1 0 vbw 0 vga->init mach64xx->init rom table offset F4 freq table offset 712 memclk 9600 memclk 9600... x 30.506455...t 30... xprec 5...fifosz 976.206554...fprec 10...prec 5...afifosz 32...fifooff 944.000000...pfc 7...rcc 9...fifoon 60.000000... main->load +vgactlw type mach64xx -vgactlw type mach64xx +vgactlw linear 0x800000 0x1000000 sequencer->enter on sequencer->leave on main->snarf vga->snarf mach64xx->snarf vmf 25175000 vmdf 0 vf1 0 vbw 0 vga->init mach64xx->init rom table offset F4 freq table offset 712 memclk 9600 memclk 9600... x 30.506455...t 30... xprec 5...fifosz 976.206554...fprec 10...prec 5...afifosz 32...fifooff 944.000000...pfc 7...rcc 9...fifoon 60.000000... main->load +vgactlw type mach64xx -vgactlw type mach64xx +vgactlw linear 0x800000 0x1000000 sequencer->enter on sequencer->leave on vgactlw: : not enough free address space --=-=-= Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=plan9.ini Content-Description: plan9.ini *nomp=1 bootfile=fd0!9pcflop.gz distname=plan9 monitor=multisync vgasize=640x480x8 mouseport=ps2 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960456967.v85ckj7kax24wmwk9giavqba9zcvks6v debug=1 --=-=-= Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=vgainfo.txt Content-Description: vgainfo.txt vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 07 80 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga vm a b 16777216 0 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 8388608 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC0000-0xC0200=MACH64GP mach64xx pci 2d120 regtable pciregs io 7400 portio mach64xx ccru 300 mach64xx HTotalDisp 004F005F mach64xx HSyncStrtWid 00010055 mach64xx VTotalDisp 018F01BF mach64xx VSyncStrtWid 000E019C mach64xx VlineCrntVline 00DF03FF mach64xx OffPitch 0A000000 mach64xx IntCntl 80000014 mach64xx CrtcGenCntl 02410200 mach64xx OvrClr 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidLR 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidTB 00000000 mach64xx CurClr0 FFFFFF00 mach64xx CurClr1 00000000 mach64xx CurOffset 00000000 mach64xx CurHVposn 00000000 mach64xx CurHVoff 00000000 mach64xx ScratchReg0 04900400 mach64xx ScratchReg1 00000000 mach64xx ClockCntl 00AD0000 mach64xx BusCntl 73330000 mach64xx MemCntl 10651A77 mach64xx ExtMemCntl 65000C01 mach64xx MemVgaWpSel 00010000 mach64xx MemVgaRpSel 00010000 mach64xx DacRegs 00FF0040 mach64xx DacCntl 8701200A mach64xx GenTestCntl 00000008 mach64xx ConfigCntl 00000182 mach64xx ConfigChipId 7C004750 mach64xx ConfigStat0 00800015 mach64xx ConfigStat1 00000000 mach64xx DspConfig 00000000 mach64xx DspOnOff 00000000 mach64xx DpBkgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpChainMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpFrgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpMix FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpPixWidth FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpSrc FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpWriteMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx LcdIndex 00000000 mach64xx LcdData 00000000 mach64xx PLL AD D5 1F 64 D0 03 FF DA - F5 00 00 C1 A6 1B 00 00 00 00 80 00 10 A2 CC 10 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 mach64xx VCLK0 25172284 mach64xx VCLK1 28289952 mach64xx VCLK2 0 mach64xx VCLK3 0 mach64xx pixel clock = 25170000 dbdumpmode type=multisync, size=640x480x8 frequency=25175000 x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=8 (0x8) ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc E3 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 0A vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 1EB 2D1DF 50 601EB1EC A3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 50 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 41 FF 0F 00 00 vga clock[0] f 25175000 vga clock[0] d i m 0 0 - 31 vga clock[0] n p q r 218 8 - 0 0 vga vm a b 16777216 0 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 8388608 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC0000-0xC0200=MACH64GP mach64xx flag Ulinear|Uenhanced|Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf mach64xx pci 2d120 regtable pciregs io 7400 portio mach64xx ccru 300 mach64xx HTotalDisp 004F0063 mach64xx HSyncStrtWid 000C0052 mach64xx VTotalDisp 01DF020C mach64xx VSyncStrtWid 000201EA mach64xx VlineCrntVline 00DF03FF mach64xx OffPitch 14000000 mach64xx IntCntl 00000000 mach64xx CrtcGenCntl 03010200 mach64xx OvrClr 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidLR 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidTB 00000000 mach64xx CurClr0 FFFFFF00 mach64xx CurClr1 00000000 mach64xx CurOffset 00000000 mach64xx CurHVposn 00000000 mach64xx CurHVoff 00000000 mach64xx ScratchReg0 04900400 mach64xx ScratchReg1 00000000 mach64xx ClockCntl 00000002 mach64xx BusCntl 73330000 mach64xx MemCntl 10651A77 mach64xx ExtMemCntl 65000C01 mach64xx MemVgaWpSel 00010000 mach64xx MemVgaRpSel 00010000 mach64xx DacRegs 00FF0040 mach64xx DacCntl 8701200A mach64xx GenTestCntl 00000008 mach64xx ConfigCntl 00000000 mach64xx ConfigChipId 7C004750 mach64xx ConfigStat0 00800015 mach64xx ConfigStat1 00000000 mach64xx DspConfig 005A07A0 mach64xx DspOnOff 00780760 mach64xx DpBkgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpChainMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpFrgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpMix FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpPixWidth 00020202 mach64xx DpSrc FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpWriteMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx LcdIndex 00000000 mach64xx LcdData 00000000 mach64xx PLL AD D5 1F 64 D0 03 FF DA - F5 DA 00 81 A6 1B 00 00 00 00 80 00 10 A2 CC 10 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 mach64xx VCLK0 25172284 mach64xx VCLK1 28289952 mach64xx VCLK2 25172284 mach64xx VCLK3 0 mach64xx pixel clock = 25170000 --=-=-=-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 21:23:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11684 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:23:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA11679 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006100123.VAA11679@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free From: "rob pike" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:23:27 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is not the forum for a detailed legal exegesis, but Mr. Hudson's thoughtful comments deserve a response. Legal terminology is not the best medium for subtlety, so I've asked our lawyers for clarification. The intent of this clause: You agree to provide the Original Contributor, at its request, with a copy of the complete Source Code version, Object Code version and related documentation for Modifications created or contributed to by You if used for any purpose. is very simple: we've given you something for free, and if you turn around and make products from it, we should have permission to see what you've done. Share and share alike. The idea is primarily to prevent people from making stuff from Plan 9 and then making it available to others but excluding us. It's certainly not to grab your secret stuff; quite the opposite: it's to make sure we get equal access to your public stuff, in the spirit of the original Plan 9 distribution. The 'legal action' clause for similar reasons perhaps reads more nastily than its intent. It could probably be clearer, but its intent is simple: to protect you from suing people about Plan 9 when they've given it to you for free in the first place. > And my deep apologizes if I > have misread the license and spread misinformation as a result. 'Misread' is too strong, but I do believe you're reading too hard. The idea was and is an honest open source agreement, and I think the license is a workable one for everyone. Speaking for the Bell Labs people, I can say we're very happy to have our stuff out for people to play with. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 22:28:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13002 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:28:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skip ([172.21.100.93]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA09363 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000609193700.01b4ce70@mail.prognet.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.prognet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:37:00 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Fariborz (Skip) Tavakkolian" Subject: [9fans] A big thanks and some random questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Thanks to everyone involved with the Plan 9 release; Thanks for sharing all your wonderful work. I was playing with mapdemo. It seems that the /lib/map directory is missing. I assume this is due to copyright issues, and I have get it from somewhere else? Also, there does not seem to be any sign of mothra or charon. Is there an HTML layout filter that I can use with uget? Any thoughts about what the right way of doing it would be, to use inside acme? P.S. The new installation process is very nice. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 22:45:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13678 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:45:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13671 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skip ([172.21.100.93]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA11675 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000609195341.01b3a960@mail.prognet.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.prognet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:53:41 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Fariborz (Skip) Tavakkolian" Subject: [9fans] Is this a good time to discuss Plan 9 accessories? 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In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000609195341.01b3a960@mail.prognet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Fariborz (Skip) Tavakkolian wrote: > Like T-shirts? > And stickers... ____________________________________________________________________ The future is downloading. Can you hear the impact? O[rphan] D[rift>] Cyber Positive The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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Gwyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installing without floppy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Nicholas Waples wrote: > Is it at all possible to install without a floppy? (from another fat > partition, changing boot/root options, etc) ... I have an LS-120. It is possible to adapt the original floppy disk procedure to another medium, and I would tell you how except apparently I don't have to, because the download Web site now asks you what sort of boot medium. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 01:35:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17507 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:35:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA17502 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006100535.BAA17502@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] A big thanks and some random questions From: "rob pike" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:35:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu To make the download more manageable, we left out some of the publicly available databases that struck us as being of low value for their size. /lib/map is one example; the files come from U.S. Government data so there's no copyright issue, but it's a huge pile of stuff that most people don't use so we left it out. The web browser story is different. If there exists a production-quality browser available in source form, including all important plug-ins, someone could make it run under Plan 9. However, as you hint, such a program would not really use the system to its fullest; other options may be worth pursuing. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 01:39:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17624 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:39:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA17618 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006100539.BAA17618@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this a good time to discuss Plan 9 accessories? From: "rob pike" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:39:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu We're having T-shirts made using the official logo. Perhaps they could serve as useful inducement or reward for significant contributions to the Plan 9 cause. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 04:51:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA19725 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:51:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA19721 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (pool-207-205-222-2.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.222.2]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA01367 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuji.homenet (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29500 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:50:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200006100850.EAA29500@fuji.homenet> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Getting Started: Matrox Video, SSH, SPARC Port? Reply-to: Stephen Wynne Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:50:49 -0400 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Thanks to everyone involved in making the recent release a reality! After learning about SPIN and Plan9 at the University of Oregon from Mike Haertel in 1991 (who I recall had recently interned at the Labs), I've been waiting for almost a decade. Now for my first problem report: I'm trying to get Plan9 v3 up and running on the Internet on an Intel Pentium 233 MMX with 128 MB of RAM and IDE. I've got two "minor" issues. 1. My video card's cursor runs downward like the space ship in "Astroids" at full speed, apparently wrapping. It's a Matrox Millennium with 4MB. (Please see the vgainfo.txt attached below.) My serial mouse is working just fine, albeit without much visual feedback about where it is on the vertical axis. 2. aux/sshserve just prints its name ("SSH 1.5 PLAN9" I think) and quits. Since I don't have passwords on accounts or other things fully set up as described in the "Getting Started" document, I can understand why this might fail. But I just wanted to do the "minimum" required just to experiment before doing a full reinstall. (I did follow the instructions for setting up keyfiles in /sys/lib/ssh, but I doubt they're correct.) In any case, I can tell it's time to revisit the documentation. Finally, I had been amassing a small squadron of old SPARC systems (a couple of IPCs, an SS2, and an SS1) with plans to set up a cozy little "9net" in the machine room. I should have been more attentive, because I see now that SPARC isn't yet supported with a v3 kernel. Are there plans? Can I help test/debug? Thank you, Stephen Wynne Research Support Facilities School of Computer Science Carnegie Mellon University ----------------- plan9.ini ----------------- *nomp=1 bootfile=fd0!9pcflop.gz distname=plan9 scsi0=type=ncr53c8xx # Note: this is a bit different now, and I have it working (DHCP is doing OK!) ether0=type=3C589 media=10BaseT monitor=multisync75 vgasize=1024x768x8 mouseport=1 audio0=type=sb16 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960498113.2hf2wt96b297zmw2h9juq7t9ukygbccd ----------------- vgainfo.txt ----------------- main->snarf vga->snarf mga2164w->snarf x[0]=1 x[1]=2 x[2]=255 x[3]=255 probe found 4 megabytes vga->dump vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 60 4F 50 83 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0E 0F 00 00 07 80 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 0 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC002D=MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.5 ) mga2164w->dump mga2164w Devctrl 2800083 mga2164w Option 5F2C0100 mga2164w Crtcext 00 00 00 00 00 00 mga2164w TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 14 FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 18 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164w PCLK EC 2B 31 mga2164w MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164w LCLK BF 3F 32 mga2164whwgc->dump mga2164whwgc Devctrl2800083 mga2164whwgc Option 5F2C0100 mga2164whwgc Crtcext 00 00 00 00 00 00 mga2164whwgc TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 14 FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 18 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164whwgc PCLK EC 2B 31 mga2164whwgc MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164whwgc LCLK BF 3F 32 vmf 0 vmdf 75000000 vf1 0 vbw 75000000 mga2164w->options vga->init mga2164w->init pixbuswidth=64 dbdumpmode type=multisync75, size=1024x768x8 frequency=75000000 x=1024 (0x400), y=768 (0x300), z=8 (0x8) ht=1328 (0x530), shb=1096 (0x448), ehb=1232 (0x4D0) shs=1072 (0x430), ehs=1232 (0x4D0) vt=806 (0x326), vrs=771 (0x303), vre=777 (0x309) hsync=45, vsync=45, interlace=0 vga->dump vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc EB vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 0A vga crt A1 7F 7F 85 86 9A324 FD - 00 60 00 00 00 00 00 00 303 292FF 40 00303304 E3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 50 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 41 FF 0F 00 00 vga clock[0] f 75000000 vga clock[0] d i m 0 0 - 48 vga clock[0] n p q r 52 1 - 0 0 vga clock[1] f 74895095 vga clock[1] d i m 0 0 - 61 vga clock[1] n p q r 33 3 - 0 0 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 0 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC002D=MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.5 ) mga2164w->dump mga2164w flag Ulinear|Fdump|Finit|Foptions|Fsnarf mga2164w Devctrl 2800083 mga2164w Option 5F2C1100 mga2164w Crtcext 00 00 00 80 00 00 mga2164w TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 4C 25 00 00 03 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 1E FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 38 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164w PCLK F4 30 B1 mga2164w MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164w LCLK E1 3D F3 mga2164whwgc->dump mga2164whwgc flag Fdump mga2164whwgc Devctrl2800083 mga2164whwgc Option 5F2C1100 mga2164whwgc Crtcext 00 00 00 80 00 00 mga2164whwgc TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 4C 25 00 00 03 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 1E FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 38 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164whwgc PCLK F4 30 B1 mga2164whwgc MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164whwgc LCLK E1 3D F3 main->exits From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 05:18:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20180 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:18:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20176 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA18080 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:18:03 +0200 (SAST) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:18:02 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 License Message-ID: <20000610111801.S3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu One question has just struck me. Presumably version 2 by defaults remains under the license it was released with. Is it preposterous to expect the new terms to be appled retroactively to those of us who have access to it? If necessary by signing a new agreement with Lucent? ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 05:48:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20557 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:48:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20553 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130hYw-0000lE-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:28:18 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:08:03 GMT From: stevemw@mindspring.com (Stephen Wynne) Message-ID: <200006100850.EAA29500@fuji.homenet> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Reply-To: Stephen Wynne Subject: [9fans] Getting Started: Matrox Video, SSH, SPARC Port? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Thanks to everyone involved in making the recent release a reality! After learning about SPIN and Plan9 at the University of Oregon from Mike Haertel in 1991 (who I recall had recently interned at the Labs), I've been waiting for almost a decade. Now for my first problem report: I'm trying to get Plan9 v3 up and running on the Internet on an Intel Pentium 233 MMX with 128 MB of RAM and IDE. I've got two "minor" issues. 1. My video card's cursor runs downward like the space ship in "Astroids" at full speed, apparently wrapping. It's a Matrox Millennium with 4MB. (Please see the vgainfo.txt attached below.) My serial mouse is working just fine, albeit without much visual feedback about where it is on the vertical axis. 2. aux/sshserve just prints its name ("SSH 1.5 PLAN9" I think) and quits. Since I don't have passwords on accounts or other things fully set up as described in the "Getting Started" document, I can understand why this might fail. But I just wanted to do the "minimum" required just to experiment before doing a full reinstall. (I did follow the instructions for setting up keyfiles in /sys/lib/ssh, but I doubt they're correct.) In any case, I can tell it's time to revisit the documentation. Finally, I had been amassing a small squadron of old SPARC systems (a couple of IPCs, an SS2, and an SS1) with plans to set up a cozy little "9net" in the machine room. I should have been more attentive, because I see now that SPARC isn't yet supported with a v3 kernel. Are there plans? Can I help test/debug? Thank you, Stephen Wynne Research Support Facilities School of Computer Science Carnegie Mellon University ----------------- plan9.ini ----------------- *nomp=1 bootfile=fd0!9pcflop.gz distname=plan9 scsi0=type=ncr53c8xx # Note: this is a bit different now, and I have it working (DHCP is doing OK!) ether0=type=3C589 media=10BaseT monitor=multisync75 vgasize=1024x768x8 mouseport=1 audio0=type=sb16 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960498113.2hf2wt96b297zmw2h9juq7t9ukygbccd ----------------- vgainfo.txt ----------------- main->snarf vga->snarf mga2164w->snarf x[0]=1 x[1]=2 x[2]=255 x[3]=255 probe found 4 megabytes vga->dump vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 60 4F 50 83 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0E 0F 00 00 07 80 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 0 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC002D=MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.5 ) mga2164w->dump mga2164w Devctrl 2800083 mga2164w Option 5F2C0100 mga2164w Crtcext 00 00 00 00 00 00 mga2164w TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 14 FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 18 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164w PCLK EC 2B 31 mga2164w MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164w LCLK BF 3F 32 mga2164whwgc->dump mga2164whwgc Devctrl2800083 mga2164whwgc Option 5F2C0100 mga2164whwgc Crtcext 00 00 00 00 00 00 mga2164whwgc TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 14 FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 18 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164whwgc PCLK EC 2B 31 mga2164whwgc MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164whwgc LCLK BF 3F 32 vmf 0 vmdf 75000000 vf1 0 vbw 75000000 mga2164w->options vga->init mga2164w->init pixbuswidth=64 dbdumpmode type=multisync75, size=1024x768x8 frequency=75000000 x=1024 (0x400), y=768 (0x300), z=8 (0x8) ht=1328 (0x530), shb=1096 (0x448), ehb=1232 (0x4D0) shs=1072 (0x430), ehs=1232 (0x4D0) vt=806 (0x326), vrs=771 (0x303), vre=777 (0x309) hsync=45, vsync=45, interlace=0 vga->dump vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc EB vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 0A vga crt A1 7F 7F 85 86 9A324 FD - 00 60 00 00 00 00 00 00 303 292FF 40 00303304 E3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 50 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 41 FF 0F 00 00 vga clock[0] f 75000000 vga clock[0] d i m 0 0 - 48 vga clock[0] n p q r 52 1 - 0 0 vga clock[1] f 74895095 vga clock[1] d i m 0 0 - 61 vga clock[1] n p q r 33 3 - 0 0 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 0 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC002D=MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.5 ) mga2164w->dump mga2164w flag Ulinear|Fdump|Finit|Foptions|Fsnarf mga2164w Devctrl 2800083 mga2164w Option 5F2C1100 mga2164w Crtcext 00 00 00 80 00 00 mga2164w TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 4C 25 00 00 03 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 1E FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 38 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164w PCLK F4 30 B1 mga2164w MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164w LCLK E1 3D F3 mga2164whwgc->dump mga2164whwgc flag Fdump mga2164whwgc Devctrl2800083 mga2164whwgc Option 5F2C1100 mga2164whwgc Crtcext 00 00 00 80 00 00 mga2164whwgc TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 4C 25 00 00 03 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 1E FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 38 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164whwgc PCLK F4 30 B1 mga2164whwgc MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164whwgc LCLK E1 3D F3 main->exits From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 05:49:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20663 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:49:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20659 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130hn5-0001QL-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:42:55 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:38:06 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000610111801.S3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 License Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu One question has just struck me. Presumably version 2 by defaults remains under the license it was released with. Is it preposterous to expect the new terms to be appled retroactively to those of us who have access to it? If necessary by signing a new agreement with Lucent? ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 08:29:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22438 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:29:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pefletti.saunalahti.fi (root@mail.sci.fi [195.74.0.53]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22434 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (DXXXII.tdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.80.32]) by pefletti.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA25029 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:28:45 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <00bf01bfd2d7$a7d7c2c0$2050c5c3@default> From: "Anssi Porttikivi" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Vs: [9fans] Is this a good time to discuss Plan 9 accessories? Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:30:24 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I can't help bragging about the fact that I once received a nice free package of Inferno promotion stuff from Lucent, including a T-shirt and a latte mug, for "being such an ardent fan". I have to start working for a similar Plan 9 status. ;-) Of course I was a fan even before Inferno. BTW, other outspoken influental Plan 9 fans in the past have been John Carmack and Linus Torvalds. Expect praise from them... And you know, Microsoft was an "Inferno beta tester", and Mr. Gates did mention Inferno in his congress speech, as a competitor... Another prediction: Plan 9 will soon run on all gaming platforms and will be the universal solution to multi-platform game development and game networking...well, what the heck, Plan 9 will be the universal solution to all computing. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 08:36:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22626 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:36:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22621 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA18342 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:36:10 +0200 (SAST) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:36:09 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Vs: [9fans] Is this a good time to discuss Plan 9 accessories? Message-ID: <20000610143608.T3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <00bf01bfd2d7$a7d7c2c0$2050c5c3@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <00bf01bfd2d7$a7d7c2c0$2050c5c3@default>; from Anssi Porttikivi on Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:30:24PM +0300 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:30:24PM +0300, Anssi Porttikivi wrote: > > Another prediction: Plan 9 will soon run on all gaming platforms and will be > the universal solution to multi-platform game development and game > networking...well, what the heck, Plan 9 will be the universal solution to > all computing. >From flattery to sycophanty (sp?). Trying real hard to earn your Team-Plan-9 tee-shirt? :-) :-) :-) ++L PS: Ain't looked at V3 yet, but if it's better than V2, you may just be right. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 08:49:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22857 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:49:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA22853 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006101249.IAA22853@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 License From: "rob pike" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:49:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu One question has just struck me. Presumably version 2 by defaults remains under the license it was released with. Is it preposterous to expect the new terms to be appled retroactively to those of us who have access to it? There are a number of elements of the 1995 release that were provided only under the terms of that release. For example, the sources for the NeXTstation were made available, after much negotiation, provided that we were producing a limited number of CDs for strictly non-commercial distribution. A number of things, including the NeXTstation sources, are not available in the third release because the required permission could not be obtained to make them available under an open source license. Another example is the RNGC2000.0 database. In other words, the new license does not apply to the version 2, 1995 release of Plan 9. The open source license is not retroactive. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 09:16:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23191 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:16:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23186 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130l0k-0003Im-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:09:14 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:48:16 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000610143608.T3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <00bf01bfd2d7$a7d7c2c0$2050c5c3@default> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: Vs: [9fans] Is this a good time to discuss Plan 9 accessories? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:30:24PM +0300, Anssi Porttikivi wrote: > > Another prediction: Plan 9 will soon run on all gaming platforms and will be > the universal solution to multi-platform game development and game > networking...well, what the heck, Plan 9 will be the universal solution to > all computing. >From flattery to sycophanty (sp?). Trying real hard to earn your Team-Plan-9 tee-shirt? :-) :-) :-) ++L PS: Ain't looked at V3 yet, but if it's better than V2, you may just be right. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 11:13:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24670 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from barb.worldchat.com (root@barb.wchat.on.ca [204.138.239.65]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24665 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from worldchat.com (asv90-2-p17.wchat.on.ca [205.210.137.79]) by barb.worldchat.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA05755 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:13:15 -0400 Message-ID: <39424CD2.666B9A12@worldchat.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:12:34 -0400 From: Milan Zimmermann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Installation: A new ATI mach64 vgadb entry, video trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I have tried to install Plan9 on 3 PCs, 2 of the installs had different problems with video chipset (both different versions of ATI Mach 64), one PC did not boot ("incorrect boot syntax" - after showing some scribbly characters first) The 2 video cards observations: 1. I got one of the ATI Mach 64's finally working, I ran "DOS debug" and found the following MACH64 setting 0xC00E9="MACH64VTPCIU" # my Mach 64 on AMD system When I add it to "vgadb", the install works(at least as far as switching to "rio" Should stuff like this be send to 9trouble@plan9.bell-labs.com so they can add it to the distribution? 2. My other (newer) Mach 64 is recognized as "MACH64CTPCIU", but when trying to start the vga, I get a message: aux/vga: mach64xx: no linear aperture aux/vga:.... and later: rio:54:suicide:trap:failure read addr=0x18 pc=0x00011e7e I tried to play with the linear= setting in the vgadb, but no luck.... Milan From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 11:20:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24861 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:20:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA24852 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006101520.LAA24852@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:19:47 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Getting Started: Matrox Video, SSH, SPARC Port? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu aux/sshserve talks to the network and is started by listen; to start an ssh server you need to run (as the hostowner on the cpuserver (or terminal I suppose)) aux/listen -t /rc/bin/service.auth tcp Note that running an SSH server requires you to have an authentication server set up: the Plan 9 ssh server only authenticates via challenge/response (TIS authentication, in the SSH jargon). Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 13:55:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26539 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:55:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA26533 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25444 invoked by uid 991); 10 Jun 2000 17:54:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000610175456.25442.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:54:56 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu A few more first impressions: The other day I said something about not being able to assign an irq. The actual error message was: i8259enable: irq 7 shared but not level intrenable: couldn't enable irq 7, tbdf 0xffffffff for lpt According to '#P/irqalloc', irq 7 is assigned to mathemu. I also had my first crash. I echo-ed "kill" to the control file of a process '#IOtcpack". Instant reboot. My cdrom is recognized (cat sdD0/ctl looks sensible), but the data file is all zeros. /dev/draw seems slower than /dev/bitblt. I wonder if the difference is from not doing runtime code generation. Plumbing is... interesting. I normally like to have several editors running, keeping different work in different contexts. The new system makes that difficult, because when one editor opens a file, the others want to open it too. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 14:22:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27005 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:22:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27001 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id OAA18509; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006101822.OAA18509@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences From: "Russ Cox" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:18:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu My cdrom is recognized (cat sdD0/ctl looks sensible), but the data file is all zeros. See if cdfs(4) is any better than the kernel. Every once in a while it is. /dev/draw seems slower than /dev/bitblt. I wonder if the difference is from not doing runtime code generation. Yes, that's much of it; the code already has many special checks to handle the common cases, but the general case is indeed slower than it ought to be. I have a runtime code generator started (and stopped, for the time being), but mostly as an experiment to see what might be gained. I expect that the problems in keeping the instruction and data caches up to date on non-x86 and non-Intel x86 chips will make it not practical, but maybe the win will be enormous. I don't know. Plumbing is... interesting. I normally like to have several editors running, keeping different work in different contexts. The new system makes that difficult, because when one editor opens a file, the others want to open it too. Run plumber in the window before starting the editor, and it will be in its own ``plumbing space'' if you will. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 14:23:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27094 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:23:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA27083 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006101822.OAA27083@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences From: "rob pike" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:22:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu /dev/draw seems slower than /dev/bitblt. I wonder if the difference is from not doing runtime code generation. Perhaps. Draw() is also a much more general operator, which causes it to be slower in the worst case. On the other hand, we (well, Russ) worked on getting draw() to talk to the graphics accelerator on some of the cards, and there are simple examples like catting /dev/words where the new system is *much* faster (factors of 10 or more) than even bitblt was. I hope folks will connect the code to the hardware on more graphics cards so the speedups will be more widely available. On the issue of run-time code generation, we abandoned it because it was too hard to write portable code to handle the synchronization of instruction and data caches. The problem is not processors so much as systems; the details of cache management in different architectures are often delegated to motherboard makers who choose widely varying ways to handle cache flushing and make it very hard for a portable program to divine what to do. If you're just on PCs, it's not so hard, but we use a lot of non-PC machines. Also, it's possible that the rise of JITs will help this situation, but if the VGA industry is anything to go by... Plumbing is... interesting. I normally like to have several editors running, keeping different work in different contexts. The new system makes that difficult, because when one editor opens a file, the others want to open it too. There was a long discussion about how and whether to handle fan-out in the plumber. What we did reflects our style of use. If it doesn't suit your needs, you have the source... Also of course it's mostly controlled by configuration files, so you might be able to try another arrangement just by using different plumbing rules. (The fan-out isn't explicit in the configuration, but I suppose on reflection it could be made to be.) I've also done tricks where I've rebound things to rearrange plumbing ports for temporary purposes; that might work well for you. Failing that, B is a shell script that could easily be adapted to use other information to direct the file to a port other than edit, or to add attributes that different editors could check. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 14:56:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27650 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:56:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA27646 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:56:10 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006101856.OAA27646@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:56:08 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I also had my first crash. I echo-ed "kill" to the control file of a process '#IOtcpack". Instant reboot. You shouldn't be able to kill that process, I'll fix that. It's a kernel process that can leave bad pointers lying around if you terminate it. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 15:25:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28169 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:25:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA28165 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:25:40 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006101925.PAA28165@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:25:37 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >The other day I said something about not being able to >assign an irq. The actual error message was: > > i8259enable: irq 7 shared but not level > intrenable: couldn't enable irq 7, tbdf 0xffffffff for lpt > >According to '#P/irqalloc', irq 7 is assigned to mathemu. There's a misunderstanding in the numerology, IRQ 7 has a base vector added to it of (in this case) 32, so you should look in '#P/irqalloc' for something using vector 39 (the output actually shows you which IRQ maps to which vector, important in SMP machines). The reason for the message is that some other driver has registered as wanting to use that IRQ already and, as this is an 8259 PIC, you can't share interrupts unless the corresponding bit is set in the Edge/Level Control Register (ELCR) and apparently it isn't. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 15:54:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28626 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:54:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.83]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28621 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp3.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id PAA19246; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006101954.PAA19246@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu> Subject: [9fans] /dev/draw being slow From: "Russ Cox" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:51:08 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu /dev/draw will get a bit faster on Mach64 and S3 ViRGE cards if you remove the lines # turn off hardware acceleration until you know it's ok. echo -n 'hwaccel off' >'#v/vgactl' >[2]/dev/null from your /rc/bin/termrc (or just comment out the second one). On the rare card our hardware acceleration code doesn't work (rectangle fills just don't happen, for instance), so it ships disabled. It makes a huge difference though. Pixel depths bigger than 8 bits aren't usable without it. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 21:52:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02195 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.67.42.232 (24.67.44.138.sk.wave.home.com [24.67.44.138]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02189 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aam396@localhost) by 24.67.42.232 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00531 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:48:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from aam396@mail.usask.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: hairy: aam396 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:48:50 -0600 (CST) From: Andrey X-Sender: aam396@hairy To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] My share of plan9 problems :) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu So, I am having a bit of trouble with installing the distribution... Here is the brief: Using 2 hard drives: a 4 gig one containing FreeBSD and a 850 meg one dedicated to plan 9 (ugh... AMD k6/2-400... PC architecture).. I have downloaded several different floppies with configurations that may suit my monitor, and most of them have been siccesfull in booting, however they never go beyond 'boot from: fd0 sdC0' unless the machine has just been rebooted using the 'reset' button... I guess my second drive is not recognized by the bootloader... If the machine has been hot-booted with the reset button, the installation routine will start (in 1024x768 mode) and it will continue flawlessly until configuring the bootloader after all has been installed. Setting the boot to 'plan9' (which is the second disk) prints an error message that this disk can not be booted, and will not produce anything beyond 'non-system disk or disk error' on bootup. A boot floppy will not recognise sdC1 and if I put the HDD as the master one it will print the 'boot from:' and upon executing "fd0!9pcflop.gz' it will complain about not having a FAT partition to read from (or something to that effect)... I have managed to install plan9 about 5 times so far (ugh :) but am still unable to boot it after a succesfull installation... Any comments will be appreciated... if you have the time :) Thanx: Andrey PS: sorry if it sounds confusing, I simply tried everything I could think of before writing this email and the information gathered is too complex to be laid out properly in an e-mail :) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 02:34:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05630 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05626 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user (eliot.prognet.com [208.147.89.91]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA02617 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000610233500.0089fbd0@mail.real.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:35:00 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Skip Tavakkolian Subject: [9fans] Is there a w9fs (a la u9fs)? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Is anyone working on u9fs for Windows? Are there alternatives for a setup where the plan9.9gz is stored on a windows machine? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 07:24:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08134 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:24:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from fe090.worldonline.dk (fe090.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.152]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA08130 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 664 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2000 11:24:13 -0000 Received: from 49.ppp1-18.worldonline.dk (HELO softhome.net) (212.54.77.177) by fe090.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 11:24:13 -0000 Message-ID: <39437804.6CDF756B@softhome.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:29:08 +0200 From: Guan Yang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan 9/2000 on VMware? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I've tried installing Third Edition Plan 9 on VMware 2.0 on Linux. It won't recognize the VGA card. Is there something I am missing? -- The cable TV sex channels don't expand our horizons, don't make us better people, and don't come in clearly enough. -- Bill Maher From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 09:11:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09073 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:11:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nwaples.btinternet.co.uk (host213-1-80-95.btinternet.com [213.1.80.95]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09069 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1011 invoked by uid 1000); 11 Jun 2000 13:12:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 13:12:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:12:25 +0100 (BST) From: Nicholas Waples X-Sender: nickw@localhost To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9/2000 on VMware? In-Reply-To: <39437804.6CDF756B@softhome.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Guan Yang wrote: > I've tried installing Third Edition Plan 9 on VMware 2.0 on Linux. It > won't recognize the VGA card. Is there something I am missing? Nope. Unless its listed in http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/pchardware.html its not supported. And there isnt a video driver for vmware unfortunately. Seems plan9 now needs 8bpp so cant rely on standard vga modes. Would have been nice though as it would have gotten around my floppy install problem. Nick. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 12:14:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10925 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:14:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10920 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00348; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006111614.JAA00348@ohio.river.org> From: Richard Uhtenwoldt To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [LICENSE] distribution via ftp In-Reply-To: <200006091518.LAA26441@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006091518.LAA26441@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu the new license says: 3.6 You must include all of the original copyright, labels or other notices on the Licensed Software on any copies of the Licensed Software which You make ... it would be nice if Lucent would clarify whether the HTML machinery on plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/download.html that induces downloaders to check a box and activate an "I agree" button before they can download is one of the "notices" that Licensees must include in any copies they "make". if so, then Plan 9 code cannot be distributed via anonymous ftp or the new napster/gnutella/freenet distribution methods. this question was sparked by the following answer by presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com: >Because of the need to agree to the licensing and export controls, its >not available on an ftp side. Wget(linux) and GetRight(windows) both seem >able to get the thing incrementally, especially since I fixed my bug. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 12:24:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11123 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:24:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp4.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.84]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11118 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp4.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA22144; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006111624.MAA22144@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is there a w9fs (a la u9fs)? From: "Russ Cox" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:20:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-nucdadzzbvbwtbmdnwvqbqhkls" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-nucdadzzbvbwtbmdnwvqbqhkls Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anyone working on u9fs for Windows? Are there alternatives for a setup where the plan9.9gz is stored on a windows machine? Run a simple web server on the Windows machine? Russ --upas-nucdadzzbvbwtbmdnwvqbqhkls Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Jun 11 02:50:44 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Sun Jun 11 02:50:43 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA05680; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:27 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05630 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05626 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user (eliot.prognet.com [208.147.89.91]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA02617 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000610233500.0089fbd0@mail.real.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:35:00 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Skip Tavakkolian Subject: [9fans] Is there a w9fs (a la u9fs)? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Is anyone working on u9fs for Windows? Are there alternatives for a setup where the plan9.9gz is stored on a windows machine? --upas-nucdadzzbvbwtbmdnwvqbqhkls-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 13:27:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11953 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:27:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11949 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006111727.NAA11949@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [LICENSE] distribution via ftp From: Eric Grosse X-URL: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ehg/ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:26:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Plan 9 code cannot be distributed via anonymous ftp Plan9 includes cryptographic software and therefore distribution is limited by US government export regulations. Eric From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 14:50:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13099 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:50:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA13095 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006111850.OAA13095@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Screen shot From: "rob pike" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:50:32 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Several people asked for one, so see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/screenshot.html From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 15:09:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13489 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:09:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA13485 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27516 invoked by uid 991); 11 Jun 2000 19:09:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000611190930.27514.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences In-Reply-To: Message from "Russ Cox" of "Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:18:38 EDT." <200006101822.OAA18509@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:09:30 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rsc: > See if cdfs(4) is any better than the kernel. > Every once in a while it is. One has to compile that from source; it's not installed in /bin in the distribution. But it does seem to work. Thanks for the pointer. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 15:12:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13620 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:12:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA13615 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27543 invoked by uid 991); 11 Jun 2000 19:12:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000611191217.27541.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences In-Reply-To: Message from jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com of "Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:25:37 EDT." <200006101925.PAA28165@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:12:17 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu jmk: | There's a misunderstanding in the numerology, IRQ 7 has a base vector | added to it of (in this case) 32, so you should look in '#P/irqalloc' | for something using vector 39 (the output actually shows you which | IRQ maps to which vector, important in SMP machines). Ah, right. The actual collision was with sb16, documented as using irq7. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 16:01:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14361 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:01:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA14356 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:01:00 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006112001.QAA14356@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:00:52 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu There's now a pointer to updates and new full packages in http://plan9.plan9.com/plan9dist/ureg.html We've put a new (June 11) full package there that included things we fixed and things that were left out of the first package. The last package listed is always what you get by following the download pages. Use wrap/install, see wrap(8), to unpack the packages. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 16:05:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14517 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:05:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bromine.myriadgate.net (openbsd.myriadgate.net [139.142.42.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA14513 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11549 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2000 20:02:49 -0000 Received: from xenon.myriadgate.net (HELO mail.usask.ca) (andrey@192.168.120.7) by bromine.myriadgate.net with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 20:02:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3943F069.755F9CD4@mail.usask.ca> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:02:49 -0600 From: Andrey Mirtchovski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: References: <200006112001.QAA14356@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu You mean: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ureg.html Btw, is plan9.bell-labs.com going to be the official plan9 sit, or is there another domain planned? Andrey presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > There's now a pointer to updates and new full packages in > > http://plan9.plan9.com/plan9dist/ureg.html > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 16:26:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14893 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:26:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA14889 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006112026.QAA14889@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:24:49 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Btw, is plan9.bell-labs.com going to be the official plan9 sit, ... We're still feeling our way through doing disributions etc. It may be a while before we've decided how to do this long term. Until thenm, we'll continue to assemble and redistribute changes. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 17:51:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15977 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:51:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA15973 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000611212440.243.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Mon Jun 12 06:24:39 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: [9fans] My share of plan9 problems :) Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa References: Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, > however they never go beyond 'boot from: fd0 sdC0' ... >"fd0!9pcflop.gz' it will complain about not having a FAT partition to read I experienced same problem and cleared the problem using "fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz" Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 18:26:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16460 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:26:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16456 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131Fs3-0001gL-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:06:19 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:06:07 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000611212440.243.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: [9fans] My share of plan9 problems :) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, > however they never go beyond 'boot from: fd0 sdC0' ... >"fd0!9pcflop.gz' it will complain about not having a FAT partition to read I experienced same problem and cleared the problem using "fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz" Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 18:35:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16676 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:35:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA16672 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:35:06 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000611220841.257.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Mon Jun 12 07:08:41 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: [9fans] network card WD8003 Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello all, Congratulations on the new Plan9! I have installed the release but have yet something that does not work. My network card, SMC Elete Plus Combo, does not work. ether0=type=WD8003 port=0x280 mem=0xd0000 irq=10 size=16384 The kernel says: ether8003: warning - 0xD0000 unavailable#IO: .... The card works under Win98, Win2000, old Plan9. By the way, I cannot find /dev/klog. Manual says it should be there. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 19:01:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17130 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:01:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17125 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131Gh1-00029i-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:58:59 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:58:04 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000611220841.257.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: [9fans] network card WD8003 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello all, Congratulations on the new Plan9! I have installed the release but have yet something that does not work. My network card, SMC Elete Plus Combo, does not work. ether0=type=WD8003 port=0x280 mem=0xd0000 irq=10 size=16384 The kernel says: ether8003: warning - 0xD0000 unavailable#IO: .... The card works under Win98, Win2000, old Plan9. By the way, I cannot find /dev/klog. Manual says it should be there. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 19:53:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17793 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:53:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA17789 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006112353.TAA17789@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] network card WD8003 From: "rob pike" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:53:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu By the way, I cannot find /dev/klog. Manual says it should be there. Manual is wrong. This was a vestige that was not caught when editing the manual. I've fixed the master copy of the manual. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 19:59:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17957 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:59:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA17953 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:59:39 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006112359.TAA17953@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:59:37 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] network card WD8003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >The kernel says: >ether8003: warning - 0xD0000 unavailable#IO: .... despite the warning does the card work? --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 23:34:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20603 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:34:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20597 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006120334.XAA20597@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] random.c From: "rob pike" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:34:05 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu A file was mistakenly left out of today's updated distribution. If you need to compile a kernel and discover that /sys/src/9/*/random.c is missing, mail 9trouble@plan9.bell-labs.com and we'll mail you the missing files. The next update will pick them up. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:16:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24557 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24542 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7f-0002lN-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:11 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:06:39 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3941BBD8.176E60D1@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: [9fans] Re: A few questions about the new release Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Bill Dodd wrote: > ... The only one that I've been able find that is still on the market > is the ATI Xpert 98 (PCI, 8MB, Mach64 based I believe). It's actually based on the ATI Rage Pro chip, but supposedly the Plan9 MACH64 driver supports it. I'll soon find out, as I am in the process of downgrading from an ATI Xpert 128 (which doesn't appear to be MACH64 compatible) to the Xpert 98 specifically to support Plan9. One can often find "legacy" video cards and sound cards (almost no current sound card seems to be ISA SoundBlaster-16 compatible) at weekend "computer shows" (e.g. the ones MarketPro sponsors). Stock up on supported hardware while you can! > Looking down the road, I plan to set up a file server and cpu server. > Is there a requirement that either of these 2 boxes have a video card > that is supported in graphics mode, or will any old card that just > works in text mode be sufficient to install/configure/administer > these? Consider temporarily installing a supported graphics card, then once the software is installed and running, change back to the old one. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:16:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24573 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24547 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7e-0002l6-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:10 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:59:48 GMT From: Randolph Fritz Message-ID: <200006100230.TAA01065@cyber-dyne.com> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK References: <200006081802.OAA00801@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: randolph@cyber-dyne.com Subject: Re: [9fans] A few questions about the new release Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In comp.os.plan9, you wrote: >Almost any ATI card with a Mach64 chip is a good choice. >ATI still sells them although the product names may have evolved - check >on www.ati.com under the product heading 'Rage Pro Technology' (or some >such). But not, alas, the Rage II+ cards...tried last night. :( R. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:16:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24576 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24551 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7c-0002kk-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:08 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:58:21 GMT From: Tom E Arnold Message-ID: <39416031$0$802@news.execpc.com> Organization: Born to Raise Eyebrows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006091518.LAA26441@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: tomea@execpc.com Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition download.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > Because of the need to agree to the licensing and export controls, its > not available on an ftp side. Wget(linux) and GetRight(windows) both seem > able to get the thing incrementally, especially since I fixed my bug. > Sounds reasonable. There's also the need to go to the Web site to generate the boot disk. You could then issue a password for non-anonymous ftp, but I'm downloading from http://www.getright.com/get.html at this very moment. -- TTom/ My current neighborhood: http://www.coldspringpark.org My next neighborhood: http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/9361 From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:16:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24599 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24558 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7c-0002kc-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:08 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:57:58 GMT From: Sim IJskes Message-ID: <39415E29.8F9A6EDD@nyx.xs4all.nl> Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu>, <200006091619.LAA05946@wombat.educ.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Brian Wheeler wrote: > Maybe this is a dumb question...I editted the floppy vgadb file > (I had the Matrox Millenium 2.3 version instead of 2.5) and when plan9 comes > up from the hard disk, the vgadb on the disk doesn't have my changes and > aux/vga fails... > > Did I miss something very obvious? I'm pretty new to plan9... > > Brian Wheeler > bdwheele@indiana.edu What you could do: put floppy in drive A and type the following a: (to mount /n/a:) mv /lib/vgadb /lib/vgadb.orig cp /n/a:/vgadb /lib and then start rio again (or reboot, after 'disk/kfscmd halt') Gr. Sim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:17:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24633 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24570 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7a-0002kA-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:06 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:56:48 GMT From: stephen.wooding@anthro.utah.edu Message-ID: <39411D83.755EB20A@anthro.utah.edu> Organization: University of Utah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Trouble on Thinkpad i1540 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm trying to put plan9 on a Thinkpad i1540 (a laptop). The Thinkpad i1540 has: 12.1" 800x600 LCD screen Mach 64 ATI Rage Mobility-M / AGP 2X 3c589 Ethernet/Modem Card Intel 82365 PCIC PCMCIA controller 433 Celeron processor 64M SDRAM 4.8 Gig. EIDE / PCI 2.1 Hard Drive My plan9.ini says: *nomp=1 debug=1 bootfile=fd0!9pcflop.gz distname=plan9 ether0=type=3C589 monitor=lcd vgasize=800x600x8 mouseport=ps2 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960563837.hdw3m4tn39kkqs5pre2vd4evycvxd23k The floppy starts booting fine, but then I get: aux/mouse ps2 echo 800x600x8 aux/vga -vip 800x600x8 sleep 2 aux/vga -l 800x600x8 panic: mmukmap1: pa 81000000 entry 1000083 [ --- insert lots of numbers here --- ] cpu0: exiting Finally, the hard drive remains active, as does the floppy, until I power down. The hardware list at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/pchardware.html lists: ATI Rage II PCI card ATI Mach64 chipset as supported. Is the ATI Rage II PCI too different from my ATI Rage Mobility-M? Does someone know how to get plan9 installation to start successfully on this machine? Thanks, Steve From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:17:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24671 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24596 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7a-0002k0-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:06 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:56:24 GMT From: zefuldar@my-deja.com Message-ID: <8hr5q5$515$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Subject: [9fans] Plan9 on Toshiba T420CDT Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Does anyone know if I can get Plan9 working on a Toshiba 420CDT laptop? It has 40M memory, 1.2G drive, C&T 65550 Video Chipset, 800x600LCD TFT display. I created the boot disk and copied the Dist onto a CDR, so if I can get the display to work, it should be a go. I tried various modifications to the VGADB file, since there are some similar entries, but I can't get it to work. If you know the secret, reply to this post. Thanks much! --MDC Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:17:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24679 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24609 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7b-0002kI-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:07 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:57:12 GMT From: bad_packet Message-ID: <1719cf6f.8ee9f2e4@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: [9fans] Compare Plan9/Linux/xxxBSD Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi All, Just heard about Plan 9, and was wondering if anyone would care to take a stab at explaining the differences between it, Linux, and the versions of BSD. I realize Plan 9 is basically a significant refinement of Unix, with much/all(?) of the basic code having been rewritten. Have read some of the documentation, however still a bit fuzy on "why" one would use it over either super stable BSD, or the up and coming, ever improving Linux distro's. Or, is this simply more a technology demo, sort of an academic exercise. Not sure if Bell has plans for this, as Inferno sems to have wrt interactive video. Thanks in advance. Fred * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:17:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24723 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24632 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7d-0002ks-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:09 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:58:44 GMT From: CLint Davis Message-ID: <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Mindspring/Netcom Subject: [9fans] mounting Plan9 fs on linux Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Im still getting Plan9 to work. As such, when I have to edit a file on Plan9, it is damn-near impossible ( RIO still doent work yet). Can I mount Plan9 file system on my linux system? Note- with rio not working I have no way to edit ( SAM and ACME give errors about imagebuffer failure). Is this true? Clint From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:17:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24722 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24623 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7b-0002kS-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:07 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:57:39 GMT From: Martin Harriss Message-ID: <8hrjmo$di6$1@cnn.Princeton.EDU> Organization: Princeton University Subject: [9fans] escape from vga hell? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I wonder is it absolutely necessary to have an 8-bit VGA graphic system? I know monochrome doesn't work any more, but I wondered if it would be possible to write a driver for 16-color vga mode. If this were possible, it would allow people to bring the system up on just about any hardware. I might be persuaded to find the time to look at this, but thus far I'm having trouble getting the system up. I have a Mach32 which worked very nicely on the old system, but is no longer supported. I do have a Mach64, but it complains thus: "undocumented linear aperture size" when I try to bring it up. (2MB on the card, and I never got it working under the 2nd edition either.) Martin Harriss From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:18:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24755 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:18:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24641 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7d-0002l0-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:09 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:59:23 GMT From: kajri jain Message-ID: <39426311.389E9E90@one.net.au> Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081831.OAA25336@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu>, <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu in addition to scott's useful list, i think if you have to add a ctlr to vgadb, the modified vgadb doesn't make it to the hard disk. .... > * If you told the install-floppy-maker that you have ethernet, > but then you use the local media to load the distribution, the ip > information never gets configured, which makes ndb/dns pause a while > before timing out. Don't panic if that happens. > > * It looks like glenda's home directory has a mode 0555 tmp directory > in it, which should be 0777. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:27:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24765 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:18:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24653 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7e-0002lF-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:10 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:00:08 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3941BA41.D21A9046@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081539.LAA27536@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu>, <39405b13$0$802@news.execpc.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition download.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Tom E Arnold wrote: > IE did better than Netscape; died after 26 meg rather than the 3 to 4 > meg that was the most Netscape could do. If your target host for the installation has a supported network configuration, all you need to download is the 1.44MB floppy; during installation you can obtain the rest via the Internet, and that method also knows how to resume disrupted downloads. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:31:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26014 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25965 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMG-0003Dy-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:16 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:09:57 GMT From: Uveges Balint Message-ID: Organization: Elender Rt. Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-199247021-960643620=:301" Subject: [9fans] Plan9 with Matrox G400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-199247021-960643620=:301 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello! My home-box is an x86 (Celeron) with a Matrox G400 32MB graphics card. I tried to start Plan9 from the boot floppy, but it gives mi a shell, and a bios dump of the card. I tried to edit the vgadb, but my agp slot with the card is not supported (i think). Please help me, i want to install Plan9 on my computer. Please give me instructions, with i can start the system. The graphics card: Matrox Millenium G400 AGP Slot 32 Mb Ram 300 MHz RamDAC Thank You! 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Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25973 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RME-0003Da-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:14 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:08:23 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3941BF54.1E47F742@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006091646.MAA14505@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox wrote: > After booting the installation and > rio fails, put the floppy back and type > a: > disk/kfscmd allow > cp /n/a:/vgadb /lib/vgadb > disk/kfscmd disallow > disk/kfscmd halt > and then reboot the system. When I was doing stuff like that, disk/kfscmd was inoperative, so unless something has changed, your best bet might be to cp /n/a:/vgadb /tmp bind -b /tmp /lib # causes /tmp/vgadb to become /lib/vgadb vga -l 800x600x8 or incantations to that effect. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:32:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26043 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25982 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMD-0003DN-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:13 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:07:06 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3941BDCD.6078CD3A@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3940EAB5.540C456E@mail.cz> Subject: [9fans] Re: plan9 and TNT videochips Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu yacht wrote: > Is it possible or TNT chipsets aren't supported ? How ? There is a supported-hardware list on the Web site. Last time I looked, TNT wasn't a supported video card. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:32:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26055 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMD-0003DT-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:13 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:07:58 GMT From: jim Message-ID: Organization: Verio Subject: [9fans] shutdown -h now Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Have only seen one reference to how to shut down plan 9. Just want to make sure this sounds right. To shut down the system, type disk/kfscmd halt. Then turn off the power. Is this it? Thanks From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:32:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26072 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26000 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMF-0003Dg-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:15 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:08:46 GMT From: Dennis Ritchie Message-ID: <3941C50F.67762771@bell-labs.com> Organization: Bell Labs / Lucent Technologies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3.0.5.32.20000609193700.01b4ce70@mail.prognet.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] A big thanks and some random questions Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Fariborz Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > I was playing with mapdemo. It seems that the /lib/map directory > is missing. I assume this is due to copyright issues, and I have get > it from somewhere else? p9C; cd /lib/map; du -s 18545 . 18MB here, 18MB there, pretty soon we're talking really long download times. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:32:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26076 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26007 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMF-0003Dm-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:15 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:09:10 GMT From: Tom E Arnold Message-ID: <39422ec2$0$802@news.execpc.com> Organization: Born to Raise Eyebrows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081417.KAA23373@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: tomea@execpc.com Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rob pike wrote: > > While we're thanking and congratulating, I'd like to > mention some people. The number of people who > contributed to the system is too long that I'm certain > to leave someone out if I try to create a complete > list. But I want to point out that the software to > package, distribute, download and boot the system > was done by Russ Cox, Dave Presotto, and Jim McKie. > The smoothness of the process is a testament to > their abilities. > It is evident that they didn't end this contribution at the moment of release. Continued attention, at least from Dave Presotto, was key to my successfull download. Again, thanks. -- TTom/ My current neighborhood: http://www.coldspringpark.org My next neighborhood: http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/9361 From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:32:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26091 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26019 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMH-0003E4-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:17 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:10:20 GMT From: kazik Message-ID: <8htk6a$iq2$1@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl> Organization: Politechnika Slaska, Gliwice Subject: [9fans] trio Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello will my elsa 1000 trio on s3 trio works? after booting it tells me that doesnt know wats is that card. whats other eays configure it ? kazik From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:32:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26095 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26015 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMF-0003Ds-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:15 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:09:35 GMT From: Tom E Arnold Message-ID: <3942302c$0$802@news.execpc.com> Organization: Born to Raise Eyebrows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200005052042.QAA06869@er7.rutgers.edu> Reply-To: tomea@execpc.com Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 future (Was: Re: Are the Infernospaces gone?) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Anthony Sorace wrote: > > //StarOffice ported to [Plan 9]... > > oh, lord. i suppose one could make an argument for it being > good for the platform's future, but it's still a scary idea. > Given the emphasis on network communication the killer app (for lack of a worse term) would be a port of a multi-player shoot-em-up like Quake. -- TTom/ My current neighborhood: http://www.coldspringpark.org My next neighborhood: http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/9361 From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:46:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27180 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27171 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RVB-0003Lu-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:29 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:31:18 GMT From: Fabricio Chalub Message-ID: <3943df2b$1@news.terra.com.br> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Subject: [9fans] plan9.9gz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have two questions: 1) Anyone here got rio working with a Intel 810 chipset? 2) Is there a way to extract the plan9.9gz files without using the installation disk? I would love to see the source, but I can't if I don't install the whole OS on my machine! fc From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:46:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27204 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27176 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RVA-0003Lc-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:28 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:29:17 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <394455AC.89CAFF3D@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <20000611212440.243.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] My share of plan9 problems :) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: > >"fd0!9pcflop.gz' it will complain about not having a FAT partition > I experienced same problem and cleared the problem using > "fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz" You got lucky -- in the loader code those are suppoed to be equivalent (i.e. a floppy is always treated as a single dos filesystem). I found that my system has the same problem unless I *disable* my second (different type) floppy drive in the BIOS beforehand, and nothing that is entered at that prompt will work (in my case). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:47:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27248 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27188 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV6-0003L9-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:24 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:26:54 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <39433EE3.7C2CD1D5@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <39424CD2.666B9A12@worldchat.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Installation: A new ATI mach64 vgadb entry, video trouble Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Milan Zimmermann wrote: > 0xC00E9="MACH64VTPCIU" # my Mach 64 on AMD system > Should stuff like this be send to 9trouble@plan9.bell-labs.com so they > can add it to the distribution? Yes! > aux/vga: mach64xx: no linear aperture aux/vga:.... I saw that also on a RAGE-128 card, but 3D RAGE PRO works fine.. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:47:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27252 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27197 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV4-0003Kq-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:22 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:25:37 GMT From: Steve Simon Message-ID: <39426235.7CFF4681@no-spam.savan.demon.co.uk> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: steve@nospam-savan.demon.co.uk Subject: [9fans] Install via LS120 disk problems Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I have a Laptop with an LS120 disk instead of a floppy. The initial bootstrap works, then it complains it cannot find the kernel file. I creaded a FAT (MSDOS) partition and copied the floppy to it. I then found I could load the OS by answering "sdC0!dos!9pcflop.gz" as the kernel file. Now the kernel is asking where to find its root filesystem, sugesting [local!#S/sdC0/fs]. If I accept this then the LS120 disk whirs and the system hangs. I beleive the root filesystem exists as the root.vd (virtual disk) file which I have copied to the FAT partition. My problem is I don't know how to tell the kernel where to find it. I've looked in the on-line manuals for plan9.ini,boot,booting and a few others, unfortuantely I haven't managed to work out what to do. Thanks for any/all help -Steve _________________________________________________ Remove nospam from email address before replying From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:47:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27289 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27205 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV5-0003Kw-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:23 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:25:57 GMT From: Steven Fines Message-ID: <39426A93.727AC269@sunflower.com> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] plan 9 install problems. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello all, After I completed the plan 9 install and wrote an MBR for it, I rebooted and it came up to the following line: root is from(il, local)[local!#f0/fd0disk]: After the loging in as glenda it crashes with the error: kfs...boot: nop...kfs init 6: can't read #f0/fd0disk I am assuming that this error is caused because it's looking on the boot floppy, which I've removed from the system. I tried the install again, just to be sure that I wrote a plan9 boot sector. So My question is, how do I change where the boot loader is looking? I tried variations of local!#sdC0/sdC0disk as parameters to the root is from: request, but nothing that I've tried has worked. Thanks, SF From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:47:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27302 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27215 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV6-0003L2-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:24 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:26:25 GMT From: David Hoffman Message-ID: Organization: Insync Internet Services, Inc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Which PowerPC Architectures? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I have heard about Plan9 for years, but until I saw the recent announcement I had no idea that it was available outside of Bell Labs. I looked over the information on the Bell Labs web site, and I saw a comment that ther PowerPC architecture is supported, but I found no more than that. I have a PowerPC Mac (an 8600 to be exact). Will Plan9 run on this machine? David Hoffman hoffman@insync.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:47:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27321 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27225 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV7-0003LI-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:25 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:27:19 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <39434070.CA1A4785@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006101925.PAA28165@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > i8259enable: irq 7 shared but not level > > intrenable: couldn't enable irq 7, tbdf 0xffffffff for lpt > The reason for the message is that some other driver has registered as > wanting to use that IRQ already and ... Unfortunately I'm getting a similar conflict with IRQ 3, which in my system is assigned for exclusive use of the 3C509B (I had no real choice as there are no spare IRQs on my system and I even had to sacrifice a serial port to get that one). I assume this is because the installation/resulting Plan 9 systems are assuming the existence of 2 serial ports; how do I disable the second one (in PLAN9.INI presumably)? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:57:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27338 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27233 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV8-0003LO-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:27:37 GMT From: Conway Yee Message-ID: Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science References: , <20000608093850.L3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >My vote is to leave it as is, simply because we're a reasonably stable >readership (interactship?). The readership may be larger than you think. I am reading this via USENET rather than subscribing to the mailing list. Conway Yee From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:58:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27358 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:48:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27243 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV9-0003LU-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:27 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:28:51 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <39445515.E3478B2B@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006112001.QAA14356@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Re: (none) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > We've put a new (June 11) full package there that included things > we fixed and things that were left out of the first > package. ... I for one appreciate this, and hope that VN doesn't "freeze" the CD-ROM distribution and documentation for a while, while we shake out the various minor bugs, glitches, etc. > Use wrap/install, see wrap(8), to unpack the packages. Rob says its actually "wrap/inst" (inconsistency in documentation, supposedly now fixed). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:59:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27399 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:48:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27253 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RVA-0003Li-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:28 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:29:35 GMT From: Fabricio Chalub Message-ID: <39445EE0.A8AB2D2C@gnu.org> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Utility to extract the plan9.9gz files Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Frustrated that I couldn't install the Plan9 on my machine (incompatible VGA chipset), I assumed that I have at least the right to take a look at the source code. ;) Since there isn't any utility to extract the contents of the plan9.9gz file *outside* the realm of the operating system itself, I did the only thing to do: created my own. (I even sent an e-mail to this newsgroup earlier today, but got too anxious to wait for a---possibly negative---answer). So here it is: it creates the tree structure of the plan9.9gz file inside the directory you run it. You need to gunzip the plan9.9gz file, and call it plan9.9, or modify the source. ;) Enjoy. Comments are appreciated. If this is in violation of any copyright policy, just ignore it. ;) fc #!/usr/bin/perl # Unpack the plan9.9gz file # unpack-plan9.pl, v 11062000 # (c) Fabricio Chalub, chalub@gnu.org open F, "plan9.9"; while () { /(.*) (.*) (.*) (.*) (.*) (.*)/; $filename = $1; $filename = substr ($filename, 1); $length = $6; read F, $buffer, $length; print "$filename\n"; if ($length == 0) { mkdir $filename, 0700; } else { open O, ">$filename"; print O $buffer; close O; } } From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 07:00:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27405 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:48:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27263 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RVB-0003Lo-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:29 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:29:57 GMT From: "Daniel E. Doherty" Message-ID: <394491DA.47595B6F@sprintmail.com> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: [9fans] STB Velocity 128 Support? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------52FE85098108482ED71ED933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations and Thanks to Bell-Labs, again. I am excited to try out Plan 9 after running the free demo version a couple of years ago. I boot, but my STB Velocity 128 is not recognized. I see Velocity 64 in the vgadb, so I'm hoping its an easy fix. An edit to the db? Otherwise, this is a vanilla Dell. If I can get video, it's time to dust of Partition Magic! Thanks for any suggestions. -- % Treason never prospers. % Daniel E. Doherty % % What's the reason? % Roeland Park, KS (USA) % % Why if treason ever prosper, % ddoherty@sprintmail.com % % None dare call it treason. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --------------52FE85098108482ED71ED933 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=iso-8859-1; name="ddoherty.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: Card for Daniel E. Doherty Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ddoherty.vcf" YmVnaW46dmNhcmQgCm46RG9oZXJ0eTtEYW5pZWwKdGVsO2ZheDo5MTMtNjI0LTIyNTYKdGVs O3dvcms6OTEzLTYyNC0zMzQyCngtbW96aWxsYS1odG1sOkZBTFNFCm9yZzpTcHJpbnQgQ29y cG9yYXRpb247TGVnYWwKYWRyOjs7O1dlc3R3b29kO0tTOzY2MjA1O1VuaXRlZCBTdGF0ZXMK dmVyc2lvbjoyLjEKZW1haWw7aW50ZXJuZXQ6ZGRvaGVydHlAc3ByaW50bWFpbC5jb20KdGl0 bGU6U2VuaW9yIEF0dG9ybmV5CngtbW96aWxsYS1jcHQ6OzIKZm46RG9oZXJ0eSwgRGFuaWVs CmVuZDp2Y2FyZAo= --------------52FE85098108482ED71ED933-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 07:07:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29008 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:07:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ysbl.york.ac.uk (batman.chem.york.ac.uk [144.32.72.190]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28997 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yorvic.york.ac.uk (pingu [144.32.72.76]) by ysbl.york.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA4335586 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:23 GMT Message-ID: <3944C467.9891568F@yorvic.york.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:07:19 +0100 From: Leo Caves Organization: University of York X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" References: <200006111850.OAA13095@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu ( see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/screenshot.html ) with so much of substance to discuss with the new release (and as I don't have the right hardware to install just now) I thought I would muse on the symbolism of the plan 9 bunny... 1/ bunnies vs. penguins ? bunny: faster, more (re)productive (effective plumbing?), extensive networks, prone to colonisation, cuddly. penguin: rather slow and unstable (on land), limited area of operation, rather formal attire(?) 2/ Night of the Lepus although not one of Ed Wood's productions, this is widely regarded as one of the (best) worst films of all time. the premise rests on the belief that large bunny == scary bunny. see http://us.imdb.com/Title?Night+of+the+Lepus+(1972) http://www.kokonino.com/ht/beth-lepus.html [ 3/ A kinder, gentler Bunny Club... ] From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 07:21:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29482 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:21:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from barb.worldchat.com (root@barb.wchat.on.ca [204.138.239.65]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29476 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from worldchat.com (asv90-1-p44.wchat.on.ca [205.210.137.60]) by barb.worldchat.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA22065 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:21:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3944B98A.EA6C24C7@worldchat.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:20:58 -0400 From: Milan Zimmermann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installation: A new ATI mach64 vgadb entry, video trouble References: <39424CD2.666B9A12@worldchat.com> <39433EE3.7C2CD1D5@null.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu "Douglas A. Gwyn" wrote: > > Milan Zimmermann wrote: > > 0xC00E9="MACH64VTPCIU" # my Mach 64 on AMD system > > Should stuff like this be send to 9trouble@plan9.bell-labs.com so they > > can add it to the distribution? > > Yes! Russ Cox from Bell Labs already added this. > > > aux/vga: mach64xx: no linear aperture aux/vga:.... > > I saw that also on a RAGE-128 card, but 3D RAGE PRO works fine.. Russ Cox fixed this (on my Mach64 but I suspect it may apply elsewhere) - there is still a problem that the screen goes black after boot but I think he is working on it. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:15:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01398 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:15:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp4.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.84]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01393 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:15:02 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp4.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id JAA12741 Message-Id: <200006121315.JAA12741@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, itzamna@sunflower.com Subject: Re: [9fans] plan 9 install problems. Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:11:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a bug in some disks that went out over the weekend. At the root is from prompt, type local!#S/sdC0/fs and then edit your main plan9.ini file once you are running: 9fat: ed /n/9fat/plan9.ini /bootargs d w q to get rid of the "bootargs=" line. We've started listing common problems at plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/errata.html, by the way. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:15:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01441 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:15:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01416 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006121315.JAA01416@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:16:23 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Which PowerPC Architectures? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>PowerPC architecture is supported, but I found no more than that. I have a >>PowerPC Mac (an 8600 to be exact). Will Plan9 run on this machine? the powerpc compiler (qa, qc, ql) should cope with any powerpc port. at some point i'll merge any further changes i've got here compared to the released version once i've had a chance to diff them. there are many powerpc hardware implementations, with different architectures at kernel level (just counting 32 bit -- i think there are 64 bit variants as well that i've not had a chance to use). in particular, the cache control and mmu implementations are dramatically different between 8xx and 6xx. glancing at a 750 manual, it looks to be 6xx style, but no doubt with its own peculiarities. the powerpc kernel support in the release is usable as a base for ports to the powerpc 8xx (eg, 860, 821, 823, 850). the example is for a specific configuration, using an 860 i think. it's a good example of an embedded application of plan 9. nice of them to include it, actually. the 8xx kernel architecture is very far from the architecture of the mac, which will be more along 6xx lines. the distribution does not include kernel support for the powerpc 603/603e variants, but i've got it for old plan9, and inferno. i've made it available to various people from time to time. if the powermac is G3, i suspect you're out of luck. i didn't think hardware details of that had been released. even if they have, or if it's 604 based, you've still got a fair amount of work to do for a plan 9 port. Charles Forsyth From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:25:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01881 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:25:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01877 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:25:45 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id JAA07303 Message-Id: <200006121325.JAA07303@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: martin@phoenix.princeton.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] escape from vga hell? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:22:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu regarding 16-color vga mode: Yes, great, do it. You'll want to map all 16-colors to 16-bit grey to make things work, but other than that I really expect that it should be okay. The other issue is reintroducing the software cursor, which we haven't done. It's been easier to just keep writing hardware cursor code (it's usually quite small), and having the hardware cursor makes debugging the VGAs a little easier (when the cursor works and the video image is wrong, that means you've messed up the memory timings). regarding the memory aperture: Send me your vgainfo.txt and we'll get that aperture recognized, at the least. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:27:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02013 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:27:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02006 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:27:19 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id JAA32679 Message-Id: <200006121327.JAA32679@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, clint.davis@hds.com Subject: Re: [9fans] mounting Plan9 fs on linux Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:23:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Acme and sam are both graphical editors, and thus need a frame buffer. They don't start for the same reason rio does not. You can edit files in text mode using ed. The only file you should need to edit is vgadb, which is copied in from the root of the floppy at boot time, so you can just edit it using any system that can read DOS disks. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:44:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02642 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:44:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02637 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:44:39 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006121344.JAA02637@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:45:47 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] escape from vga hell? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Roger Peppe developed a scheme at VN for Inferno that uses the VESA BIOS support to put the card into a plausible mode before handing it over to the graphics system. It isn't as good as a native driver, for many reasons, but it did quite well on most recent PCs we tried. I expect we'll have a go at making it work with the new Plan 9. Charles Forsyth From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:45:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02744 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:45:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02734 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006121345.JAA02734@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Which PowerPC Architectures? From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:45:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The document /sys/doc/port.ms (http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/port.pdf) talks about the PowerPC port. Here are the first two sentences about the compiler: The PowerPC compiler supports the 32-bit PowerPC architecture only; it does not support either the 64-bit extensions or the POWER compatibility instructions. It has been used for production operating system work on the 603, 603e, 821, 823, and 860. More details can be found in the document. In a later section, you'll read that the kernel source provided is for a small custom machine used as a network appliance. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:46:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02861 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:46:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02837 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131UN5-0006Jv-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:35:19 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:38:13 -0500 From: Daniel Seagraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <200006111850.OAA13095@cse.psu.edu>, <3944C467.9891568F@yorvic.york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Leo Caves wrote: > > ( see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/screenshot.html ) > > with so much of substance to discuss with the new release (and > as I don't have the right hardware to install just now) I thought > I would muse on the symbolism of the plan 9 bunny... > > 1/ bunnies vs. penguins ? > > bunny: faster, more (re)productive (effective plumbing?), > extensive networks, prone to colonisation, cuddly. Heh, for me, the bunny means one thing - Usagi Tsukino :P That alone makes it worth using. (Am I the only person who has thought of this? :) > 2/ Night of the Lepus > > although not one of Ed Wood's productions, this is widely regarded > as one of the (best) worst films of all time. the premise > rests on the belief that large bunny == scary bunny. Also, the Vorpal Bunny from Monty Python's Holy Grail... :P "Confuse, annoy, and DEE-STROY!" -- Jet Wolf | "Nothing Happens." -- ADVENT "You'd be surprised what you can live through..." -- Anonymous "...A man can pass his family and his name down through his sons, but it's his honour that gets passed through his daughters. He can see the best and worst of life in his girls. A daughter is something far too precious, and he'll do anything to protect her." -- Reichsfuehrer Siegfried Koenig, _Matrose_Mond_, David Oliver From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:46:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02869 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:46:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02844 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131UOw-0006MS-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:37:14 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:41:14 -0500 From: Daniel Seagraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] STB Trio64V+ Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have a STB Trio64V+ based card, forgot the exact type. PowerGraph 64 or something like that. Anyway, created lines in vgadb for it, using the Diamond Stealth card as a refrence (They use the same driver under 'Doze...) and it hangs when trying to go into graphics mode. I'm decently familiar with PCs and programming in general but I don't know anything about plan9. I'd be happy to provide any assistance I can if I can be told how to provide said assistance... :P "Confuse, annoy, and DEE-STROY!" -- Jet Wolf | "Nothing Happens." -- ADVENT "You'd be surprised what you can live through..." -- Anonymous "...A man can pass his family and his name down through his sons, but it's his honour that gets passed through his daughters. He can see the best and worst of life in his girls. A daughter is something far too precious, and he'll do anything to protect her." -- Reichsfuehrer Siegfried Koenig, _Matrose_Mond_, David Oliver From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:54:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03320 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:54:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from aubrey.stanford.edu (aubrey.Stanford.EDU [171.64.31.58]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA03316 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006121354.JAA03316@cse.psu.edu> Received: (qmail 18672 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2000 13:54:52 -0000 Received: from localhost.highwire.org (HELO aubrey.stanford.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.highwire.org with SMTP; 12 Jun 2000 13:54:52 -0000 X-url: http://highwire.stanford.edu/~jimr/ X-face: "!ZH^<"U,NeU:732A To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mounting Plan9 fs on linux In-reply-to: Message from CLint Davis of "Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:58:44 GMT."References: <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <18665.960818092.1@aubrey.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:54:52 -0700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Im still getting Plan9 to work. As such, when I have to edit a file on > Plan9, it is damn-near impossible ( RIO still doent work yet). Use the '-d' option with sam. That will give you a line-editor capability. Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 10:31:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04518 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:31:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04512 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131VAw-0007Rh-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:26:50 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:26:15 GMT From: jim.robinson@stanford.edu (James A. Robinson) Message-ID: <200006121354.JAA03316@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Reply-To: jim.robinson@stanford.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mounting Plan9 fs on linux Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Im still getting Plan9 to work. As such, when I have to edit a file on > Plan9, it is damn-near impossible ( RIO still doent work yet). Use the '-d' option with sam. That will give you a line-editor capability. Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 11:50:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06574 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:50:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from zappa.esys.ca (zappa.esys.ca [198.161.92.28]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06566 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lyndon@localhost) by zappa.esys.ca (8.11.0.Beta0/8.11.0.Beta0) id e5CFnt360644; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:49:55 -0600 (MDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences References: <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> <14656.43622.408165.400838@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es> From: Lyndon Nerenberg Date: 12 Jun 2000 09:49:54 -0600 In-Reply-To: nemo@gsyc.escet.urjc.es's message of "Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:38:48 GMT" Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070099 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.99) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Just to let you know that Plan 9 runs just fine on a Dell Inspiron >7k. Did you have to modify vgadb? When I tried to install it didn't recognise the video chip. I added an entry to vgadb that forced the installation to recognize the Rage LT Pro, but the result was trash on the screen. Which display settings did you use when generating the floppy? --lyndon >What about all the people who hoarded tonnes of spam in their bunkers? I hoard spam on my hard drive. When I heard about the coming Y2K worries, I downloaded a lifetime supply from the net. -- Charlie Gibbs in alt.folklore.computers From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 14:11:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10242 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:11:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from borf.com (workbench.borf.com [205.185.197.105]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10233 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: bwc@borf.com Message-Id: <200006121811.OAA10233@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:50:24 EDT Subject: [9fans] Any difference in the file servers other than bsize Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu We had to change the mkfile to compile fs/plan9pc. It was trying to link with libcrypt and we changed it to libsec. Is this okay? Also, we noticed that it tries to install it on certain machines in the labs. So, we edited this as well. We are using a Adaptec 1542cp as the scsi controller. More when we get further along. Brantley From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 14:33:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10960 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:33:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10956 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:33:54 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006121833.OAA10956@cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:33:34 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Any difference in the file servers other than bsize MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-gocoufzjcroafxyowasqdtgerd" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-gocoufzjcroafxyowasqdtgerd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit libsec is correct, we replaced cryptolib (libcrypt) with a locally written library, libsec, fairly recently and missed a few references to the old library. This should be fixed in the current package. If anyone notices others, please mail 9trouble. The install options for the kernels try to copy the kernel's to a machine called 'dinar'. This is a standalone plan 9 cpu server that we use to also get everyone back up should we have a power failure. Rather than take that out of the mkfile's, I'ld rather leave it in as a place holder for where you should put copies to your own tftp/bootp server. Dinar is really our auth server but having it also boot other systems is helpful. --upas-gocoufzjcroafxyowasqdtgerd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Jun 12 14:26:31 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Mon Jun 12 14:26:29 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10280; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:11:19 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10242 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:11:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from borf.com (workbench.borf.com [205.185.197.105]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10233 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: bwc@borf.com Message-Id: <200006121811.OAA10233@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:50:24 EDT Subject: [9fans] Any difference in the file servers other than bsize Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk We had to change the mkfile to compile fs/plan9pc. It was trying to link with libcrypt and we changed it to libsec. Is this okay? Also, we noticed that it tries to install it on certain machines in the labs. So, we edited this as well. We are using a Adaptec 1542cp as the scsi controller. More when we get further along. Brantley --upas-gocoufzjcroafxyowasqdtgerd-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 14:43:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11329 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:43:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11324 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03104 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:43:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:43:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006121843.OAA03104@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9.ini file.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu After 3rd ed. installation, the system boots from hard disk. The ini file `plan9.ini' is on `9fat' partition. Is there way to access/change/modify this file As it is not visible from the file system after boot. - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 15:01:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11977 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:01:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA11972 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006121901.PAA11972@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9.ini file.. From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:01:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The command 9fat: (note the colon, analogous with a: or c:) will make the files visible in /n/9fat (no colon, unlike with a: or c:) -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 15:18:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12843 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:18:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12836 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2440 invoked by uid 991); 12 Jun 2000 19:18:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000612191817.2437.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mounting Plan9 fs on linux In-Reply-To: Message from CLint Davis of "Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:58:44 GMT." <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:18:17 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Clint: | Can I mount Plan9 file system on my linux system? I don't know the precise status of this, but linux developers are working on adding 9p to their system. | Note- with rio not working I have no way to edit ( SAM and ACME give errors | about imagebuffer failure). Is this true? There's always ed, or ``sam -d''. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 15:51:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13693 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:51:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from folly.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (postfix@muedi4-145-253-166-091.arcor-ip.net [145.253.166.91]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13676 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by folly.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 31451) id CAAA01471; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:51:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:51:09 +0200 From: Markus Friedl To: CLint Davis Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mounting Plan9 fs on linux Message-ID: <20000612215109.A513@folly.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>; from clint.davis@hds.com on Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 09:58:44AM +0000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 09:58:44AM +0000, CLint Davis wrote: > Can I mount Plan9 file system on my linux system? some years ago i have written a little cmd line program for accessing my plan9 kfs from linux/bsd. you have to create a partition table/disklabel entry on unix pointing to blocks containing the kfs: http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~msfriedl/plan9/lkfs/ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 17:07:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16008 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:07:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16001 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006122107.RAA16001@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] man to html From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:07:14 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu We have a new program for converting the man pages on the fly into HTML. They should look more dependable, or at least different. The new program uses the output of troff rather than its input, to avoid many of the problems we were having. Of course, we have new ones. Let us know if you see any problems. Thanks. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 17:41:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16891 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:41:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16883 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27743; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006122141.OAA27743@ohio.river.org> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9fans archive To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Richard Uhtenwoldt Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu the old home of the archives of the 9fans mailing list is unreachable, so to be helpful I put up the last 2 megs of the list traffic at http://www.river.org/~ru/frontporch/ messages are appended to http://www.river.org/~ru/frontporch/plan9 as they arrive at my mailbox. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 18:06:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17583 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:06:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA17579 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4222 invoked by uid 991); 12 Jun 2000 22:06:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000612220612.4220.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9fans archive In-Reply-To: Message from Richard Uhtenwoldt of "Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:41:22 PDT." <200006122141.OAA27743@ohio.river.org> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:06:12 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Richard says: > the old home of the archives of the 9fans mailing list is unreachable, Everything should be available from http://www.cse.psu.edu/~schwartz/9fans/archives If there's a problem, please let me know. (The filenames aren't y2k compliant; blame majordomo.) On that score, I've been getting lots of bounces from demon.net. Folks who get 9fans via them might want to check the archives for recent traffic that didn't make it. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 18:57:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18650 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:57:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA18643 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:57:06 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000612223021.274.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Tue Jun 13 07:30:20 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: Re: [9fans] STB Trio64V+ Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa References: Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >I have a STB Trio64V+ based card, forgot the exact type. > PowerGraph 64 or something like that. > Anyway, created lines in vgadb for it, using the >Diamond Stealth card as a refrence (They use the same driver >under 'Doze...) and it hangs when trying to go into graphics mode. The followings are my entry for Trio32/Trio64/Trio64V+: 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO32 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1." 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO64 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1." 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO64V+ Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1." I hope they help you. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 19:31:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19393 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:31:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19389 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131dbz-00064L-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:27:19 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:26:16 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000612223021.274.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: Re: [9fans] STB Trio64V+ Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >I have a STB Trio64V+ based card, forgot the exact type. > PowerGraph 64 or something like that. > Anyway, created lines in vgadb for it, using the >Diamond Stealth card as a refrence (They use the same driver >under 'Doze...) and it hangs when trying to go into graphics mode. The followings are my entry for Trio32/Trio64/Trio64V+: 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO32 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1." 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO64 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1." 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO64V+ Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1." I hope they help you. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 20:21:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20410 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:21:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA20406 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006130021.UAA20406@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compare Plan9/Linux/xxxBSD From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:20:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Try http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.pdf From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 21:26:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21626 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:26:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21621 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix.com (arons.dialup.access.net [166.84.199.49]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D17157DE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39458D78.B8B1BC58@panix.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:25:12 -0400 From: Stephen Arons X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Thinkpad 760ED success Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I've had p9 running happily on an old Thinkpad 760ED (type 9546) in 8-bit XGA mode for several days. Add the line 0xC0043="Z6.1I" # IBM TP 760ED (9546) to the vgadb entry for the cyber938x. There is a brief moment of screen garbage as the controller switches from cga mode. Two caveats: there are no drivers for the MWAVE machinery, so the internal modem, soundblaster emulator, etc. are ignored; you can't set hardware configuration options without the ``Thinkpad Features'' software on an IBM-supported OS. What's been working: lcd, keyboard, external mouse, serial port, internal CD-ROM, external floppy. Not tested: PCMCIA, parallel port. It's great to have p9 running again. There are so many wonderful ideas in this release to absorb, it's almost as though rob's recent dark talk on systems software research was the hat and this is the rabbit. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 23:46:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24074 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:46:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA24069 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2000 20:46:10 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3945ADCA.852196B9@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:43:06 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Hello and some Plan 9 network configuration questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello! I found this list via the Plan 9 FAQ, on USEnet. I've subscribed because I've been a Plan 9 convert for three days now and I've gotten far enough along that I need to start asking infrastructure questions. While I'm on the subject, I was able to get so far because of Jim (jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com). Thanks Jim! Here's the deal: I put together an old clunker 486 box as follows: unknown VLB MB 486DX 66 Cyrix 32 MB RAM 541 MB HD SB16 Audio Speedstar64 VGA with about 511MB memory (some pixels drop out sometimes ;^) Linksys Ether16CT 10BT NIC (NE2K Clone) Standard isssue KB, Ser Mouse (2 button), FDD, IDE CDR I've got it up and running most of the way; networking worked when I installed but I've since broken it. I can't get 'cpu' to run and I think its because of the networking. Authentication seems to work but there's no nvram so I have to type the password a lot when generating keys and starting keyfs. I've successuflly added a new user, and if it weren't for the broken network config I'd probably have a plan 9 box sitting there on the net wide open (ok, because it's a private network). My goals are to incorporate the Plan 9 box into my existing network, and use it as a starting point for increased plan 9 prominence ;^) I'd like to play around with sharing files with other boxen on the network, running linux and win32 oses. For now I need to configure the Plan 9 box (plan9) as a standalone Plan 9 host, serving the terminal, fileserver, auth server, and cpu server. the existing topology is like this: 192.168.1.1 nitro - a quick win95/redhat dual boot box w/voodoo 3 agp 192.168.1.2 plastique - debian fileserver on 32M/P166 192.168.1.3 dock - winnt laptop 192.168.1.4 tor - win95 box in kitchen gateway is 192.168.1.254 dns is at 151.164.1.7 and 151.164.1.8 and the new edition: 192.168.1.7 plan9 - Plan 9 experimental/developement platform Could someone perhaps show me how to set up /lib/ndb/local* to implement this flat class C network? All comments/suggestions/instruction appreciated! References to documentation welcomed! I'm aware that a lot of this may be FAQ but I'm still working my way throught that and I'd like to address my networking asap. Thanks for your patience - James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 23:55:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24316 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:55:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24309 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user ([172.21.104.107]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA00084 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000612205606.0089f100@mail.real.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:56:06 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Skip Tavakkolian Subject: [9fans] laptop/Etherlink III PCMCIA problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This happens on a 486 laptop (Midwest Micro "Elite"). During bootup the following message is printed tens of times: pcmmap 4096: out of isa space <-- earlier in the boot up pcmmap: out of isa space <-- later in the boot process None of this stops the system from booting and starting up rio, etc. The system recognizes the PD6720 PCMCIA controller (I think #y0 device?) but fails to recognize the 3COM/EtherlinkIII (3C589D) card. P.S. Another entry for vgadb: % ed vgadb /E0090="Chips/ a 0xC008D="Chips 65540" # Midwest Micro Elite From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 01:43:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA25943 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:43:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA25935 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006130543.BAA25935@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Open but not free Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:42:50 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:42:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Richard Stallman To: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Subject: Plan Nine deep-sixed by non-free license Reply-to: rms@gnu.org I was excited to hear that Plan Nine might become free software, but it turns out that the license is too restrictive to qualify. We will have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine software under its present license. If at some point you are willing to consider rerelease under a free software license, please contact me. For more information, see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 01:53:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26198 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:53:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA26194 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006130553.BAA26194@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:53:49 -0400 To: alteridentity@yahoo.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hello and some Plan 9 network configuration questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu A good question. You should refer to plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/start.pdf (or start.html) but I'll make a few comments too. The use of a single Plan 9 box for everything is officially discouraged, but understandable. I was trying to figure out how to massage things to do that in a similar situation earlier this evening. To create some nvram, dd -bs 512 -count 1 plan9.nvr and copy that to the floppy that you're booting from. (Yes, unfortunately you have to boot from a floppy to run a cpu server currently. Otherwise it will not find the nvram file. That's a bug.) Then when you boot you'll be prompted for the appropriate information. The Plan 9 install makes a box that is fairly locked down, rather than wide open. You have to explicitly turn on the more sketchy services. As for your network, you want something like: ipnet=home-net ip=192.168.1.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 dns=151.164.1.7 dns=151.164.1.8 ipgw=192.168.1.254 auth=plan9 cpu=plan9 ip=192.168.1.1 sys=nitro ip=192.168.1.2 sys=plastique ip=192.168.1.3 sys=dock ip=192.168.1.4 sys=tor ip=192.168.1.7 sys=plan9 proto=il I could be wrong, but I think 192 is a default class C network. If it is a class B address, you would need ipnet=big-net ip=192.168.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 ipsubmask=255.255.255.0 too, because the network search starts at the default network and works its way down. It's described in ndb(2) and start.html. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 02:07:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA26556 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:07:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA26551 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA24749 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:07:28 +0200 (SAST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:07:27 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Message-ID: <20000613080726.A24639@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <200006130543.BAA25935@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <200006130543.BAA25935@cse.psu.edu>; from presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com on Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:42:50AM -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:42:50AM -0400, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. > Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. > That's quite OK with me, at least. There are enough religious programs out there already. It is ugly of Stallman to recommend that people should not use it, though. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 02:46:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27087 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:46:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27083 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131kM8-0001A9-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:39:24 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:37:02 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000613080726.A24639@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <200006130543.BAA25935@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:42:50AM -0400, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. > Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. > That's quite OK with me, at least. There are enough religious programs out there already. It is ugly of Stallman to recommend that people should not use it, though. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 03:32:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27831 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:32:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA27827 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from symnt3.Cadence.COM (symnt3.Cadence.COM [194.32.101.100]) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10921 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by symnt3.cadence.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:32:29 +0100 Message-ID: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0901@symnt3.cadence.com> From: Nigel Roles To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Open but not free Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:32:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Received: By mailgate.Cadence.COM as AAA10921 at Tue Jun 13 00:32:33 2000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu It might be ugly of Stallman, but not entirely surprising. Someone has to occupy an extreme position, or we wouldn't know where it was. -----Original Message----- From: Lucio De Re [mailto:lucio@proxima.alt.za] Sent: 13 June 2000 07:07 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:42:50AM -0400, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. > Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. > That's quite OK with me, at least. There are enough religious programs out there already. It is ugly of Stallman to recommend that people should not use it, though. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 04:06:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28383 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:06:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28379 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA24874 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:05:58 +0200 (SAST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:05:56 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Message-ID: <20000613100556.A24870@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0901@symnt3.cadence.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0901@symnt3.cadence.com>; from Nigel Roles on Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 08:32:22AM +0100 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 08:32:22AM +0100, Nigel Roles wrote: > > Someone has to occupy an extreme position, or we wouldn't > know where it was. > Maybe. But the turn of phrase he used is rather unfortunate. I'm a firm believer that computer programming is a form of communication, and Stallman did not express his sentiments in a manner I would consider appropriate. He could have been more diplomatic, I think. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 04:46:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28968 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:46:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28964 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131mE5-00020F-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:39:13 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:37:03 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000613100556.A24870@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0901@symnt3.cadence.com> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 08:32:22AM +0100, Nigel Roles wrote: > > Someone has to occupy an extreme position, or we wouldn't > know where it was. > Maybe. But the turn of phrase he used is rather unfortunate. I'm a firm believer that computer programming is a form of communication, and Stallman did not express his sentiments in a manner I would consider appropriate. He could have been more diplomatic, I think. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 04:55:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA29208 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:55:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA29204 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:55:08 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006130855.EAA29204@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:23:31 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>He could have been more diplomatic, I think. i thought he was at his most diplomatic. 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Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu in article 200006121315.JAA01416@cse.psu.edu, forsyth@vitanuova.com at forsyth@vitanuova.com wrote on 6/12/00 8:46 AM: >>> PowerPC architecture is supported, but I found no more than that. I have a >>> PowerPC Mac (an 8600 to be exact). Will Plan9 run on this machine? [snip] > if the powermac is G3, i suspect you're out of luck. i didn't think > hardware details of that had been released. even if they have, > or if it's 604 based, you've still got a fair amount of work to do > for a plan 9 port. The 8600 is a 604 (unless it has an upgrade in it). But as for G3s, there are several source-available operating systems available for Macs: Linux - http://www.linuxppc.org/ NetBSD - http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/ Darwin - http://www.publicsource.apple.com/projects/darwin/ Between those three source trees there must be enough information to do a Mac Plan 9 port. 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PowerGraph 64 or > something like that. Anyway, created lines in vgadb for it, using the > Diamond Stealth card as a refrence (They use the same driver under > 'Doze...) and it hangs when trying to go into graphics mode. put debug=1 (1st line) in paln9.ini and try aagain, it will print info and you will know where does it hang! may not be of much help but will allow to ask a more specific question.. - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 05:32:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29774 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:32:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29725 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131msw-0003AW-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:21:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:10:09 GMT From: "James G. Stallings II" Message-ID: <39454B37.4ECB8A63@yahoo.com> Organization: SBC Internet Services Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Experiences Installing Version 3: Another Take Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, fellow users of the oracle that is USEnet! This post chronicles my adventures installing and (mis)configuring the latest release of plan9 (R3). I will summarize it as follows: as usual, getting the hardware to work is 98% of success. Of course, you have to be able to tell it (plan9) what and where the hardware is, but that's the other two percent, huh :) Once I'd cobbled together the parts for a suitably old machine to set it up on, I got the baseline hardware working and was able to boot to the graphic install. The old dog is built up as follows: 486DX2 66 from Cyrix on an unknown MB w 32M ram 512M Conner HD (IDE) 36x CDROM LinkSys Ether16CT 10BT ethernet std 1.4M floppy SB16 audio std kb 2 button ser mouse Speedstar64 VGA with about 511K of memory on it (some of the pixels drop out ;^) Initial installs were done via locally-burned CD. The fifth and final install was performed over the ether and is installed on a native plan9 fat on the disk (it's the only partition). As I summarized, getting the hardware right has been most of the battle so far. This would have been no different for any other O/S. Getting the right VGA settings was nontrivial enough to educate me concerning getting the ethernet right. Jim (jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com) was an especially valuable resource here as well - Thanks Amigo! Now I have it pretty well going, except for a few issues involving networking. Can someone tell a bonehead how to configure the /lib/nbd/ for a small lan? The net is like this: 1 win95 box named tor at 192.168.1.4 1 dual boot win95/redhat box named nitro at 192.168.1.1 1 debian server named plastique at 192.168.1.2 1 winnt portable named dock at 192.168.1.3 1 standalone plan9 box named plan9 at 192.168.1.7 gateway is 192.168.1.254 dns is 151.164.1.7 and 151.164.1.8 the plan9 box (for now) needs to be everything plan9 on the lan (cpu server, file server and terminal) I'd be happy to share my current /lib/ndb/local* and /lib/ndb/common with you except that in my feeble attempts to configure it I've blown the box off the 'net. I know it's not a device problem cause it werked just fine when I downloaded the distribution archive. Plus it was pingable until I munged with /lib/nbd/* Thanks in advance for any assists! Cheers! 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From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 05:32:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29814 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:32:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29750 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131msx-0003Ak-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:21:27 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:11:05 GMT From: ggunning Message-ID: <39456CC4.84DFE0A9@esatclear.ie> Organization: EsatClear News Server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] vgadb Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have been trying to install plan9, however I get told aux/vga controller not in /lib/vgadb I also tried using 600x480 to no avail. It reports the card as ATI MACH64, PCI BIOS P/N 113-25517-100 (C) 1988-94, ATI Technologies Inc .BK3.4/0.030MACH64GXPCIUN which is ok. I think I am meant to now edit the vgadb file do I do this to the image before I put it on the floppy or at the % prompt. Thanks for your assistance. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 05:32:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29826 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:32:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29759 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131msy-0003Au-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:21:28 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:11:33 GMT From: ishwar@delhi.cps.cmich.edu Message-ID: <3945785b@news.cmich.edu> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK References: <39426A93.727AC269@sunflower.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: plan 9 install problems. 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From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 06:04:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01239 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:04:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01231 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from symnt3.Cadence.COM (symnt3.Cadence.COM [194.32.101.100]) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22990 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by symnt3.cadence.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:03:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0904@symnt3.cadence.com> From: Nigel Roles To: "'9fans@cse.psu.edu'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] AHA-2940 and P9 install Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:03:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Received: By mailgate.Cadence.COM as DAA22990 at Tue Jun 13 03:03:57 2000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu SOL I'm afraid. Well until an Adaptec driver gets written anyway. The fallback position, as always, is to buy an NCR/Symbios/LSI Logic based controller. -----Original Message----- From: bs [mailto:balaji@mediaone.net] Sent: 13 June 2000 10:10 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] AHA-2940 and P9 install If I have a AHA-2940 PCI SCSI card, am I SOL? I was able to boot w/ the floppy and it looks way cool... though I cannot do any installs after that :-( Anything I can do? thx, From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 06:36:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01727 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:36:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01723 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0C.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.162]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA21682 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:34:47 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01280 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:35:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:35:55 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Beginner question and experiences Message-ID: <20000613033555.A1214@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu When I saw the announcement, I had to take a look at this system (I've been waiting for years), so I downloaded it, and started to install it. After some difficulty I got it going on my home system. It fascinates me, and I want to continue to work with it (in my copious spare time, no doubt. :-) I am writing with two questions question and an account of several problems. Question one: how do I boot Plan 9 from a primary IDE slave disk (sdC1) with lilo? I have it working from a boot floppy, but having it working from lilo would be really cool. :) Question two: has anyone tried using Plan 9 to run a rendering farm? I am working with Radiance on a Beowulf cluster, and it looks to me like it might work better on Plan 9--has anyone tried this with any rendering software? Second: problems encountered on the way up. I am working with the 6/7 release, and have downloaded the upgrades; it may be that some of these have already been taken care of. 1. I was never able to successfully read an ext2 partition. On the first system I tried (Mandrake 7.1, Linux 2.2.14), the installer saw the partition but would never show me files. On the second system, it didn't even see the partitions because... 2. Apparently DOS extended partitions are opaque to the installer. This made a major difficulty for me in installing and led me to try... 3. Installing from a CD-R, which could only be seen after I switched the drive to the secondary IDE master position (scD0). Before that it was in the technically incorrect, but common, secondary IDE slave position (scD1) and was not recognized. I'd installed my CD-ROM drive out of the box in that configuration and I'd never had any problems with it before this install. Before I tried that, I tried... 4. Downloading (again) using PPP. I gave this up when the modem refused to connect at more than 9600 bps (I believe the installer configures the serial port to 9600 bps, rather than the 230kbps needed for best results with a 50kbps modem) and the download would probably have taken several days. :) Once the system was working, I was very happy. Being a crazed ex-QA engineer, I also noted the following minor problems: 1. The "9fat:" command assumes that the drive is scC0; mine is scC1. Is there a configuration-independent way of resolving this? 2. The Mach 64 driver produces little jittering horizontal lines on the right-hand side of the screen with my Rage IIC . The system is functional with them, but they are distracting. Anyhow, thanks very much for making this technology available! -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 06:37:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01846 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:37:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA01842 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:37:54 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006131037.GAA01842@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:09:00 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Which PowerPC Architectures? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>The 8600 is a 604 (unless it has an upgrade in it). But as for G3s, there >>are several source-available operating systems available for Macs: >>Between those three source trees there must be enough information to do a >>Mac Plan 9 port. yes, given that, i'd say there was. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 06:44:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02083 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:44:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02078 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.83]) by hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24097 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:53:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean Mehat Received: (from jm@localhost) by colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08862 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:52:19 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:52:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200006131052.MAA08862@colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pcmcia question Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Plan 9 is up and running on a Nec versa note. The installation was reasonnably easy (except when kfs got an error, in the boot process I was asked if I would like to ream it, but was not given a chance to answer yes; i reamed it via the install floppy, /386/init disappeared and I re-installed from scratch). Plan 9 can't be booted via the FreeBSD boot loader. When booting, Plan 9 finds a pcmcia controller (?) as a 82c365, while FreeBSD recognize it as a 82c146. Anyone knows how compatible they are? Do I have any chance to have my Accton NE2000 compatible ethernet card working ? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 06:58:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02413 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:58:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02409 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from symnt3.Cadence.COM (symnt3.Cadence.COM [194.32.101.100]) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27012 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc535-cam (pc535-cam.cadence.com [194.32.97.87]) by symnt3.Cadence.COM with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id MSQ7R3PB; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:58:22 +0100 From: "Nigel Roles" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:59:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [9fans] pcmcia question Reply-to: ngr@ngr@9fs.org Message-ID: <39462236.14506.1A17D74C@localhost> In-reply-to: <200006131052.MAA08862@colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-Received: By mailgate.Cadence.COM as DAA27012 at Tue Jun 13 03:58:31 2000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Oooh. Interesting. Which video chip is it, and what is your screen resolution? I have a NEC versa-lite. Thanks, Nigel Roles > > Plan 9 is up and running on a Nec versa note. > The installation was reasonnably easy (except when kfs got an error, in the > boot process I was asked if I would like to ream it, but was not given a > chance to answer yes; i reamed it via the install floppy, /386/init disappeared > and I re-installed from scratch). > > Plan 9 can't be booted via the FreeBSD boot loader. > > When booting, Plan 9 finds a pcmcia controller (?) as a 82c365, while FreeBSD > recognize it as a 82c146. Anyone knows how compatible they are? Do I have any > chance to have my Accton NE2000 compatible ethernet card working ? > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 07:21:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02863 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:21:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA02858 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 04:21:30 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <39461880.7B02CBF3@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:18:24 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Cox CC: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hello and some Plan 9 network configuration questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Thanks Russ! Will be putting this inplace today. Have read start.html exhaustively (it got me through setting up a new user) but it gets a little bit vaugue on some of the networking. Probably great for someone moderately familiar with Plan 9... Thanks for the tip concerning the "nvram" and floppy. Note that I'm setting up the standalone box to develop a driver for the voodoo 3 agp - I want to run it on something more substantial than a 486 in "production". The 192.168.0.0 net is a class B private network - I guess I need to describe the supernet in ndb as well? Haven't read ndb(2) yet - will ref it today. Thanks Russ- James Russ Cox wrote: > A good question. You should refer to > plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/start.pdf (or start.html) > but I'll make a few comments too. > > The use of a single Plan 9 box for > everything is officially discouraged, > but understandable. I was trying to > figure out how to massage things to > do that in a similar situation earlier > this evening. > > To create some nvram, > dd -bs 512 -count 1 plan9.nvr > and copy that to the floppy that you're > booting from. (Yes, unfortunately you > have to boot from a floppy to run a cpu > server currently. Otherwise it will not > find the nvram file. That's a bug.) > > Then when you boot you'll be prompted > for the appropriate information. > > The Plan 9 install makes a box that is > fairly locked down, rather than wide open. > You have to explicitly turn on the more > sketchy services. > > As for your network, you want something like: > > ipnet=home-net ip=192.168.1.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 > dns=151.164.1.7 > dns=151.164.1.8 > ipgw=192.168.1.254 > auth=plan9 > cpu=plan9 > > ip=192.168.1.1 sys=nitro > ip=192.168.1.2 sys=plastique > ip=192.168.1.3 sys=dock > ip=192.168.1.4 sys=tor > ip=192.168.1.7 sys=plan9 proto=il > > I could be wrong, but I think 192 is a default > class C network. If it is a class B address, you would need > > ipnet=big-net ip=192.168.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 > ipsubmask=255.255.255.0 > > too, because the network search starts at the > default network and works its way down. It's > described in ndb(2) and start.html. > > Russ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 07:23:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02990 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:23:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA02984 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 04:23:38 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <39461903.D1FC3A9A@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:20:35 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lucio@proxima.alt.za CC: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free References: <200006130543.BAA25935@cse.psu.edu> <20000613080726.A24639@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I wouldn't let RMS spoil my day - if his were the final word there'd be no linux and we'd all be sitting around waiting for HURD. He may be a genius and a visionary, but he's one in a million... -James Lucio De Re wrote: > On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:42:50AM -0400, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > > > I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. > > Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. > > > That's quite OK with me, at least. There are enough religious programs > out there already. > > It is ugly of Stallman to recommend that people should not use it, > though. > > ++L __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 08:00:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03652 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:00:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03647 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.83]) by hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24358; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:08:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean Mehat Received: (from jm@localhost) by colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08875; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:08:04 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:08:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200006131208.OAA08875@colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, ngr@ngr@9fs.org Subject: Re: [9fans] pcmcia question Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Oooh. Interesting. Which video chip is it, and what is your screen > resolution? I have a NEC versa-lite. aux/vga -p says a MagicGraph 128XD 40K X11 says a NeoMagic NM2160 rev 1. It works fine in 1024x768x8. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 09:17:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05140 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:17:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05136 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:17:02 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006131317.JAA05136@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:16:45 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pcmcia question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu When booting, Plan 9 finds a pcmcia controller (?) as a 82c365, while FreeBSD recognize it as a 82c146. Anyone knows how compatible they are? Do I have any chance to have my Accton NE2000 compatible ethernet card working ? Plan 9 doesn't make much effort to delve into the depths of the PCMCIA controller, if it walks like an 82C365 and talks like an 82C365 then it is an 82C365. Cirrus Logic and Vadem controllers are also recognised as they require slightly different initial configuration by the driver. Please mail me the output of the aux/pcmcia command so we can try to get your Accton card working (I'd also like the exact model number of the card for reference). If your card is in slot 1 of a dual PCMCIA controller the command would be aux/pcmcia '#y/pcm1attr' --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 09:23:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05386 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:23:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05379 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131qUG-0000d6-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:12:12 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:59:22 GMT From: Bill Gunshannon Message-ID: <8i5abp$ku8$1@info.cs.uofs.edu> Organization: University of Scranton References: <200006130543.BAA25935@cse.psu.edu>, <39461903.D1FC3A9A@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In article <39461903.D1FC3A9A@yahoo.com>, alteridentity@yahoo.com (James G. Stallings II) writes: |> |> I wouldn't let RMS spoil my day I have never taken him seriously enough for him to do that!! |> - if his were the final word there'd be no linux |> and we'd all be sitting around waiting for HURD. |> |> He may be a genius and a visionary, but he's one in a million... He doesn't fit either of those catagories. In charity, I will not say just where I think he falls. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 09:25:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05522 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:25:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from borf.com (workbench.borf.com [205.185.197.105]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05517 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:25:34 -0400 (EDT) From: bwc@borf.com Message-Id: <200006131325.JAA05517@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:25:42 EDT Subject: re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Now that RMS will ``have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine'' I feel that the software release has been a complete success! Brantley From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 09:36:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05989 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05983 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weyl.math.psu.edu (weyl.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.226]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04360 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (viro@localhost) by weyl.math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00353 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:36:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: weyl.math.psu.edu: viro owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:36:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Viro To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free In-Reply-To: <8i5abp$ku8$1@info.cs.uofs.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Bill Gunshannon wrote: [what RMS is] > > He doesn't fit either of those catagories. In charity, I will not say > just where I think he falls. Why? .procmailrc, indeed... (along with this thread, to be honest) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 09:38:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06126 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:38:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06121 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:38:23 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000613131151.366.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Tue Jun 13 22:11:50 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: [9fans] time stamps Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I said: >>The kernel says: >>ether8003: warning - 0xD0000 unavailable#IO: .... And jmk replied: >despite the warning does the card work? Yes. I have confirmed just now. Thanks. By the way, time stamps are something curious. term% cd /sys/log term% ls -l a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 auth a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 cs a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 174 Jun 14 06:44 dns a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 ftp ... term% date; date -u Tue Jun 13 21:59:52 JST 2000 Tue Jun 13 12:59:52 GMT 2000 term% cat dns pc Jun 14 06:44:55 starting dns on 192.168.1.2 pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /net/ndb pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /lib/ndb/local pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /lib/ndb/common term% cat /adm/timezone/local JST 32400 JST 32400 term% where `pc' is a sysname of my home computer. # Time stamps are just 9 hours faster than local time in Japan! Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 10:22:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07297 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:22:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07293 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:22:33 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006131422.KAA07293@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:22:27 -0400 To: alteridentity@yahoo.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Experiences Installing Version 3: Another Take MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zsqhhknyoawpriwjdbkpwuhswy" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zsqhhknyoawpriwjdbkpwuhswy Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ipnet=amigo-net ip=192.168.1.0 dns=151.164.1.7 dns=151.164.1.8 ipgw=192.168.1.254 ip=192.168.1.4 sys=tor ip=192.168.1.2 sys=plastique ip=192.168.1.3 sys=dock ip=192.168.1.7 sys=plan9 proto=il This should be enough to make you a happy camper. If you have a list of domain names you'ld like to search through when resolving names ammend the first entry to: ipnet=amigo-net ip=192.168.1.0 dns=151.164.1.7 dns=151.164.1.8 ipgw=192.168.1.254 dnsdomain=x.y.z dnsdomain=a.b.c where x.y.z and a.b.c are domain suffixes. If you have domain names that these systems are reachable by add a dom=my.domain.name atribute value pair to the system entries where my.domain.name is the full domain name of the system. If you have a DHCP server on your net, you'ld get most of the entry for your system by cating /net/ndb which is a turd our ipconfig leaves around for other programs to use. --upas-zsqhhknyoawpriwjdbkpwuhswy Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Jun 13 05:52:36 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Tue Jun 13 05:52:35 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA00008; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:32:39 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29774 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:32:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29725 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131msw-0003AW-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:21:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:10:09 GMT From: "James G. Stallings II" Message-ID: <39454B37.4ECB8A63@yahoo.com> Organization: SBC Internet Services Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Experiences Installing Version 3: Another Take Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Greetings, fellow users of the oracle that is USEnet! This post chronicles my adventures installing and (mis)configuring the latest release of plan9 (R3). I will summarize it as follows: as usual, getting the hardware to work is 98% of success. Of course, you have to be able to tell it (plan9) what and where the hardware is, but that's the other two percent, huh :) Once I'd cobbled together the parts for a suitably old machine to set it up on, I got the baseline hardware working and was able to boot to the graphic install. The old dog is built up as follows: 486DX2 66 from Cyrix on an unknown MB w 32M ram 512M Conner HD (IDE) 36x CDROM LinkSys Ether16CT 10BT ethernet std 1.4M floppy SB16 audio std kb 2 button ser mouse Speedstar64 VGA with about 511K of memory on it (some of the pixels drop out ;^) Initial installs were done via locally-burned CD. The fifth and final install was performed over the ether and is installed on a native plan9 fat on the disk (it's the only partition). As I summarized, getting the hardware right has been most of the battle so far. This would have been no different for any other O/S. Getting the right VGA settings was nontrivial enough to educate me concerning getting the ethernet right. Jim (jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com) was an especially valuable resource here as well - Thanks Amigo! Now I have it pretty well going, except for a few issues involving networking. Can someone tell a bonehead how to configure the /lib/nbd/ for a small lan? The net is like this: 1 win95 box named tor at 192.168.1.4 1 dual boot win95/redhat box named nitro at 192.168.1.1 1 debian server named plastique at 192.168.1.2 1 winnt portable named dock at 192.168.1.3 1 standalone plan9 box named plan9 at 192.168.1.7 gateway is 192.168.1.254 dns is 151.164.1.7 and 151.164.1.8 the plan9 box (for now) needs to be everything plan9 on the lan (cpu server, file server and terminal) I'd be happy to share my current /lib/ndb/local* and /lib/ndb/common with you except that in my feeble attempts to configure it I've blown the box off the 'net. I know it's not a device problem cause it werked just fine when I downloaded the distribution archive. Plus it was pingable until I munged with /lib/nbd/* Thanks in advance for any assists! Cheers! James --upas-zsqhhknyoawpriwjdbkpwuhswy-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 10:35:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07755 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:35:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07750 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131rPa-0001Ff-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:11:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:06:30 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000613131151.366.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: [9fans] time stamps Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I said: >>The kernel says: >>ether8003: warning - 0xD0000 unavailable#IO: .... And jmk replied: >despite the warning does the card work? Yes. I have confirmed just now. Thanks. By the way, time stamps are something curious. term% cd /sys/log term% ls -l a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 auth a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 cs a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 174 Jun 14 06:44 dns a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 ftp ... term% date; date -u Tue Jun 13 21:59:52 JST 2000 Tue Jun 13 12:59:52 GMT 2000 term% cat dns pc Jun 14 06:44:55 starting dns on 192.168.1.2 pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /net/ndb pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /lib/ndb/local pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /lib/ndb/common term% cat /adm/timezone/local JST 32400 JST 32400 term% where `pc' is a sysname of my home computer. # Time stamps are just 9 hours faster than local time in Japan! Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 10:40:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08021 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:40:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08016 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:40:17 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006131440.KAA08016@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:40:14 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, forsyth@vitanuova.com, 9trouble@plan9.bell-labs.com Subject: [9fans] Re: auth/convkeys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu You're right about that. My fault. I've updated the man page and the release3 document. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 10:42:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08179 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:42:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from null.cc.uic.edu (root@null.pharm.uic.edu [128.248.76.23]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08174 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (seva@localhost) by null.cc.uic.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01167 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:42:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:42:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Simon Epsteyn X-Sender: seva@null.cc.uic.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Beginner question and experiences In-Reply-To: <20000613033555.A1214@cyber-dyne.com> Message-ID: Organization: SV Technologies Corp. X-Foo: Bar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Randolph Fritz wrote: > from a primary IDE slave disk (sdC1) with lilo? I have it working > from a boot floppy, but having it working from lilo would be really > cool. :) This really isn't a Plan 9 question, but try something like this in Linux: Add this to the end of lilo.conf: other=/dev/hdb1 label=plan9 table=/dev/hdb Where /dev/hdb1 is the partition where plan9 is install, you can use something ling "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" to list the partitions on the second IDE disk. Then re-run lilo. /Simon -- D0 Computing and Analysis Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 10:57:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08700 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:57:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08692 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:57:50 -0400 (EDT) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006131457.KAA08692@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:57:45 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine software under its He may be a genius, but he still can't get the name right. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 10:59:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08834 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:59:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08828 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000613143250.384.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Tue Jun 13 23:32:49 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: [9fans] accessing 2'nd ed. kfs Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, My Plan9 3'rd edition is running on the box in which I have 2'nd edition kfs. So I would like to read files in old kfs. Is there any way to read 2'nd edition kfs from 3'rd edition Plan9 ? By the way, I have confirmeed that we can read files in 2'nd ed. file server. Thanks, Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 11:03:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09097 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:03:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09076 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131s2X-0001du-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:51:41 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:50:14 GMT From: Douglas Fraser Message-ID: <39464384.72F5B0F1@lucent.com> Organization: Lucent Technologies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0901@symnt3.cadence.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Nigel Roles wrote: > Someone has to occupy an extreme position, or we wouldn't > know where it was. > True, sort of like Patrick Buchaanan here in the USA. He acts as a nice bookmark to deliniate the political spectrum. RMS is the bookmark, nay, THE book, on free software. (not free beer...) -- Doug From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 11:06:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09342 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:06:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA09333 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:06:19 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006131506.LAA09333@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:37:01 BST Subject: re: [9fans] accessing 2'nd ed. kfs Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>Is there any way to read 2'nd edition kfs from 3'rd edition Plan9 ? it was happy enough doing that on^U 3rd edition was happy enough doing that on my thinkpad's previously 2nd edition file system. something gave a sensible warning about the lack of a new-style partition, during boot, but things were fine after that. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 11:42:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10421 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:42:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10417 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131scS-0001zw-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:28:48 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:27:01 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000613143250.384.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: [9fans] accessing 2'nd ed. kfs Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, My Plan9 3'rd edition is running on the box in which I have 2'nd edition kfs. So I would like to read files in old kfs. Is there any way to read 2'nd edition kfs from 3'rd edition Plan9 ? By the way, I have confirmeed that we can read files in 2'nd ed. file server. Thanks, Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:01:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11178 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:01:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11170 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131sv0-0002BW-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:47:58 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:28:58 GMT From: Ng Pheng Siong Message-ID: <8i5idv$ur4$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> Organization: Dis Organisation, Inc. References: <200006071551.LAA27375@cse.psu.edu>, <006f01bfd0a9$862befa0$3887b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> Reply-To: Ng Pheng Siong Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 released Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu According to Dharani Vilwanathan : > Please check out http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html The licence appears to be pages and pages of legalese. In plain English, is this Plan9 distro under GPL or some other licence? TIA. Cheers. -- Ng Pheng Siong * http://www.post1.com/home/ngps From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:08:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11487 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:08:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA11483 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006131608.MAA11483@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Beginner question and experiences From: "rob pike" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:08:42 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Question two: has anyone tried using Plan 9 to run a rendering farm? Not to my knowledge. However, Gerard Holzmann has a rack of 16 PCs (500MHz machines with .5GB RAM each, connected by 100Mbit ether) each running Plan 9 that he uses to farm out SPIN jobs (see spin(1)). A web page is used to submit and retrieve jobs; rc scripts distribute the calculations around the farm and cpu and import and of course the shared file server are used to pass data. The stats(1) display of all 16 machines running is very pretty. Works great in practice; it's used full time to verify software used in telephone and network switching equipment. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:16:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11842 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:16:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.83]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11820 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp3.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA17840; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006131616.MAA17840@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] time stamps From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:12:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu By the way, time stamps are something curious. That's likely because dns got started before aux/timesync had been started and gotten a chance to correct the machine's time. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:16:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11831 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:16:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.83]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11812 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp3.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA04517 Message-Id: <200006131615.MAA04517@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:18:50 -0400 To: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] accessing 2'nd ed. kfs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu My Plan9 3'rd edition is running on the box in which I have 2'nd edition kfs. So I would like to read files in old kfs. Is there any way to read 2'nd edition kfs from 3'rd edition Plan9 ? You need a way for the new system to get a partition configured pointing at your old kfs partition. If you just want to do it once, the easiest way is echo part oldfs 1234567 2345678 >/dev/sdC0/ctl where the numbers are those that you used in the old plan 9 partition table, and sdC0 is the disk it's on. After that, /dev/sdC0/oldfs will be that partition. If you want to have it